Mayweather's Position, All Time P4P List

[Kid Cauliflower]

Right so you rank Andre Ward ahead of Mayweather then?

That's got to be some form of comedy I'm assuming?

Jesus Christ, you just can't get it, even when carefully explained! Amazing.

[Kid Cauliflower]

Right so you rank Andre Ward ahead of Mayweather then?

That's got to be some form of comedy I'm assuming?

Maybe you are the comedian. Andre did what he was supposed to do--he fought really good fighters in their primes. That is what we ask of a great. By the way, which great fighter did Mayweather beat in their prime? None, right?

[Bundana]

I do not know much about him.

How is this even possible?

On a list of those who beat the most HOFers, he ties with Greb for 1st place (both defeated 15 HOFers). Surely McLarnin is one of the better-known historical boxers!

[JAB5239]

How is this even possible?

On a list of those who beat the most HOFers, he ties with Greb for 1st place (both defeated 15 HOFers). Surely McLarnin is one of the better-known historical boxers!

I think McLarnin gets overshadowed by Ross and Canzoneri of that era. That and the bulk of his greatest fights were at welterweight which is historically deep. He was a truly great fighter but kind of falls into the same position as Ike Williams where they are often forgotten, or at least less talked about than the other great fighters who were around them.

[Bundana]

I think Mayweather might beat Archie in a P4P match. Archie was kind of slow.

What exactly do you mean by this? Are we to imagine, that we enlage Floyd until he's a LHW, and then let the two battle it out in the ring? If this is the idea, how would we know, what Mayweather would look like at 175 lbs? For one thing, he would surely be slower than at 147.

[IronDanHamza]

Jesus Christ, you just can't get it, even when carefully explained! Amazing.

Ok so break it down to me.

What am I missing here. You just said that you've only ranked Mayweather in the exact position, everyone else above him not in order.

So, that means you rank Andre Ward ahead of Mayweather....

What part am I not getting?

[IronDanHamza]

Maybe you are the comedian. Andre did what he was supposed to do--he fought really good fighters in their primes. That is what we ask of a great. By the way, which great fighter did Mayweather beat in their prime? None, right?

Wait wait, hold on. This isn't a joke? You actually genuinely consider Andre Ward a higher ranked fighter than Mayweather? Holy fuck.

Mayweather beat multiple HOF'ers in their primes. Andre Ward beat one.

Mayweather beat more P4P ranked fighters than Andre Ward beat Top 10 ranked fighters in general. Mayweather beat more #1 ranked fighters than Andre Ward fought ranked fighters in general.

Mayweather resume at 130-135 alone is better than Andre Ward's entire resume.

You aren't honestly suggesting here that Andre Ward has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather?

[DeeMoney]

Wait wait, hold on. This isn't a joke? You actually genuinely consider Andre Ward a higher ranked fighter than Mayweather? Holy fuck.

Mayweather beat multiple HOF'ers in their primes. Andre Ward beat one.

Mayweather beat more P4P ranked fighters than Andre Ward beat Top 10 ranked fighters in general. Mayweather beat more #1 ranked fighters than Andre Ward fought ranked fighters in general.

Mayweather resume at 130-135 alone is better than Andre Ward's entire resume.

You aren't honestly suggesting here that Andre Ward has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather?

I think he based his list on who he thinks would win in a mythical h2h match up if they were at an equal mythical weight. IE take their relative physical attributes (size, speed, strength) compared to their weight class and put them in fighters of an equal weight class. Then give that fighter their skills and see who would win.

In this case, he believes an equal weight class Ward beats Mayweather.

[Kid Cauliflower]

I think he based his list on who he thinks would win in a mythical h2h match up if they were at an equal mythical weight. IE take their relative physical attributes (size, speed, strength) compared to their weight class and put them in fighters of an equal weight class. Then give that fighter their skills and see who would win.

In this case, he believes an equal weight class Ward beats Mayweather.

You got it! I am going to answer their diatribes in this reply to you.

First of all, I don't care about anyone beating a Hall of Fame fighter. Everything hinges on when it happened. These Mayweather nut-hogs like to forget that, when it comes to their favorite snack.

Hall of Fame is a joke. How many thousands do they have enshrined in that dump?

Poopooers should read the name very carefully again--it is a Hall of Fame. Sorry, fame is not enough for me, fellas. I don't care a whit about beating a hall of fame fighter. It is nonsense. Have you ever seen me use it to defend Anything? A fighter is simply well known enough to get in or not. Is Butterbean in there yet?

I don't care who beat a ranked fighter either, since politicized rankings are one of the most putrid aspects of boxing. I only care about beating the best available to you. All were available for a Mayweather payday. Hence, it is all on Floyd, every bit of it.

No one had the talent and expertise of Mayweather. Jones had the talent but not the technical expertise of Floyd. Outside of Pep I can't name anyone with Mayweathers defensive skill. Was he good enough to be called great? Yes, without a question. The unaided eye could see that much. I was greatly impressed.

But then there is what we did not see--Mayweather beating the shit out of another prime monster. Didn't see it, all because of one man's choices, not any other reason.

I required further litmus tests that Floyd refused to take. He had a different idea, one that marks him as a wannabe history manipulator. Fight all the old guys you can, if you figure they still have the big name and especially if they are future hall of famers. Most people in the future are not going to ask the age and career trajectories of those HOFers he beat. But I do.

Knowing little about McClarnin, Ross and Canzoneri is on me, my bad. But I could not place fighters above him I am so unfamiliar with. Jab (I think) pointed out that those 3 plus Ike Williams often get short shrift around here. You will be lucky if you even find their names in passing in a thread. The same goes for many others.

And, yes, even Andre Ward did more than Mayweather. I don't even like Ward, could barely stand to watch his fights hoping for him to be KOd. But he fought guys who were still good, and some without giant names. That is what I require.

You boys can wet your pants all you want. What you are doing is extrapolating what you think Mayweather could have done without actually seeing him do it. Not good enough.

[Kid Cauliflower]

What exactly do you mean by this? Are we to imagine, that we enlage Floyd until he's a LHW, and then let the two battle it out in the ring? If this is the idea, how would we know, what Mayweather would look like at 175 lbs? For one thing, he would surely be slower than at 147.

This requires a modicum of imagination. Perhaps you are not up to the task.

If Mayweather is to fight a 175 lbs. opponent, then Mayweather will weigh 175 also. With me so far? If Mayweather is average height for his prime division then he will be average height for a light heavyweight. Ready? Here comes the hard part.

Most rational people understand Floyd will not be as fast at light heavyweight, but still faster than most other light heavies, if not all of them ever. Taking that as a model we see that he will be only a decent puncher for any weight class he is placed in for a mythical match. Body rock hard, build slender, chin good but not really proven because of his defensive abilities, stamina excellent, mental very strong.

Do I sanction my list? Hell no, it is simply the best I could do. It does not have a strong relation with reality, the same as any P4P discussion.

So, do you eschew all P4P musings, or just those that do not glorify your Floyd adequately?