Page 302 in the book “unbeaten”

[Willow The Wisp]

..."Dempsey knocked out John L. Sullivan".

The thought of that makes my mind drift to things like Milo of Croton struggling to defeat Diagoras of Rhodes.

Hypothetically speaking.

[them_apples]

OK big ChatGPT disappointment.

The other day I asked about the 1967 Computer boxing tournament and it gave me Louis and Dempsey in the finals.

Right after I asked about the video production that followed and it immediately recognized the change, switched to that result. Ali-Marciano. Very smart I thought.

Now today, I asked it about the original results a second time, but this time suggesting its first answer might possibly wrong. It replied "You're correct." Then proceeded to tell me instead that Dempsey defeated Jeffries in the finals. LOL

I think we can feel safe about AI for the near future. It reads fast, but its comprehension is lagging behind like an LD kid.

P.S. If it will truly be a danger to Mankind in the future, we should strangle it in its crib right now. It is still pretty s-tupid and weak, and wouldn't see us coming.

P.S.S. Be sure to use a wooden baseball bat when you beat on it, not an aluminum one, just to make the point: We don't need technology to be a killer-ape, a tree branch will do just fine.

Give it 10 more years. Semi conductor plants up and running by 2027. Look how flight advanced so quick. How television did, the internet. It won’t be long. It’s not perfect at first, but slowely and surely jobs will be replaced. New industries created. We have been primed in the west to be open to augmentation markets in the future, like new more advanced limbs, eyes, hearts, and even brain power. Imagine the day where someone has replaced nearly every part of their bodies but the inner portion of the their brain.

[QueensburyRules]

Thanks for posting.

What they didn't realize is that they needed to run the computer scenario 10,000 times, literally. That way you get a probability.

Even T-rump on 538.com had an 18% chance to beat Hillary in 2016 and did.

Kind of unfair to punish the computer because it produced an 'outlier' in the Jeffries-Ali fight. They're inevitable.

But then again, it was 1967 and we were told computers were magic.

P.S. I will have to have a another talk with ChatGPT. It has Dempsey-Louis in the finals.

The AI once before let me correct it about a Jerry Lewis film, I think I will challenge it agian with this information. Marciano over Dempsey in the finals.

This actually joggs my memory because I now remember them saying or me reading that they approached Dempsey for the video, but it just didn't work for video. Thus the replacement with a money starved Ali and got all that wonderful free publicity the racial element generated.

Thanks for posting.

- - Pep, I think it was the conception of a tourney of all time greats that was the outlier that drew in the public as much as the computer.

[Bronson66]

Will post the page. MAKE SURE YOU READ IT before responding

Not everything is from that book that I posted, but all of it I am positive others on this forum have come across before. Pacheco was the one who said 5 minutes, but in this case stopping the fight and demanding money sounds like the equivalent to his story, which was referring to the demanding 2k

it says:

Ali got dropped to his knee (he got dropped)
Marciano threatened to hit his arms (it sounds like Ali didn���¢��������t like this as he couldnt move his arms)

Ali quit and took time off and demanded money (he got stopped)

every single interview Ali speaks of Rock with utmost tespect and humility


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I have the book on my computer desk in front of me. I repeat there is .
NO MENTION OF MARCIANO DROPPING ALI FOR 5 MINUTES AND NO MENTION OF ALI DEMANDINGTAPES BE DESTROYED
So you made that up!
Ali did not get stopped AT ANY TIME
One man in that ring was acting professionally and the other was being a ****.
Boxings 12 Greatest Rounds by. Ferdie Pacheco Page 84.
"Marciano was supposed to drive Ali into the ropes,whereupon Ali would punch Marciano with a stinging jab.
The trouble with this scene is Marciano was having all kinds of trouble pulling his punches so they would miss by inches ,as Ali was closing with his jab .
Again and again one of Marciano's whistling rights would crunch into Ali's ribs,and Ali would wince and look at referee Chris Dundee for help.
Chris would smile indulgently and wave the fighters on.
Finally Ali's good nature could not accept this,and he stopped boxing.

"Look Rock,this is supposed to be play acting,if you keep bombing my ribs,Im going to have to open up your nose with my real jab," he warned.

Rocky looked apologetic and even said he was,but nevertheless,kept landing shots.
It began to look like Marciano was goading Ali into a real fight...Murray Woroner saw his golden egg about to be destroyed,he hurriedly stepped in and stopped the action while we all took a long break."
THERE IS NO MENTION OF A 5 MINUTE KNOCK DOWN OF ALI BY MARCIANO IN PACHECO'S BOOK WHICH I ALSO HAVE HERE ON MY PC DESK. SO YOU MADE THAT UP TOO.



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[Bronson66]

Marciano wasn�t trying for a Ko. They both did the same to eachother. Ali also tried to stiffen Marciano up with a cross which isn�t mentioned, but is how the sessions got so heated. Rock would hit his body hard, Ali who doesnt have good body shots retaliated with a head shot.

regardless a 45 year old smaller man hurt Ali bad and this is a fact

Nope! Neither man was supposed to land real shots to the body or head,at no time did Ali land with power on Marciano,nor did he try to. I have the computer fight and three books that go into detail about how it was acted including ,Stanton's and Pacheco's.Stop adding you own scenario to it, it's total BS!
NO 5 MINUTE KD'S .NO TAPES BURNED .NEITHER MAN STOPPED.
"Finally one hot afternoon,Marciano,never known for his pinpoint accuracy,let go a few howitzer shots,which caught Ali unaware
Since they were pulling their punches for the camera,and the resounding thumps could be heard all the way to the street.
Ali gasped and sank to one knee,while Rocky pulled off,chagrined and embarrassed by his lack of control,in the heat of simulated battle."
Bottom LIne Rocky took a liberty, throwing punches for real against an untrained and unprepared Ali,whose good nature prevented him from carving Marciano up like hamburger which many other champs would have done.Imagine Tyson,or Dempsey's reaction to a fighter taking such a liberty in such an unprofessional manner? They would have been all over Marciano like a rabid wolf on a stray sheep!

"In passing I might add my own personal observation,with both in their prime Ali would have destroyed Rocky. the Rock's considerable talents.
However his was a talent to absorb punishment while waiting to dispense his own brand of bad medicine to his opponent.
Ali would have been too fast,too smart,too big,and too much for Rocky's facial tissues ,which were inordinately frail for a fighter whose style was to catch every punch in the face."Pacheco

The Fight Doctor Ferdie Pacheco,page 81 chapter 5.


GROW UP!!!!!

[Bronson66]

- - what we know was the sparring would be real, but no headshots with body shots legal to give an imitation of a good fight.

Rocky trained down to about 210lbs and ali was prob 230. Rocky fought in a very underrated style as charles, walcott, and most esp archie found out.

Net result the tourney being computer generated generated huge interest as louis, jeffries, dempsey, ect all fell out and earned the living luminaries some extra buck$ not to be sneered at.

And ali and rocky became friends with ali painting rocky's name on one of the big boulders at his training camp. He also attended rock's funeral and passed along some $$$ to his widow who was left impoverished since rock kept all his money not in his pockets squirreled away in some buried site that only he knew about.

That and tubby lar who dropped rocky's jock strap on his big feets to bust up his stoopid record....

At no time were body shots allowed that is total BS,the fact that Marciano got carried away and began landing them does not mean they were ever intended to be in the script.they weren't.
There is no record of Ali giving Barbara Marciano any money ,if you dispute this provide a primary source that proves it!


BTW in the final of the computer tournament Marciano ko'd Dempsey in the 15th round.
As I have already told you, the Ali v Marciano computer fight was entirely separate.

[Willie Pep 229]

Nope! Neither man was supposed to land real shots to the body or head,at no time did Ali land with power on Marciano,nor did he try to. I have the computer fight and three books that go into detail about how it was acted including ,Stanton's and Pacheco's.Stop adding you own scenario to it, it's total BS!
NO 5 MINUTE KD'S .NO TAPES BURNED .NEITHER MAN STOPPED.
"Finally one hot afternoon,Marciano,never known for his pinpoint accuracy,let go a few howitzer shots,which caught Ali unaware
Since they were pulling their punches for the camera,and the resounding thumps could be heard all the way to the street.
Ali gasped and sank to one knee,while Rocky pulled off,chagrined and embarrassed by his lack of control,in the heat of simulated battle."
Bottom LIne Rocky took a liberty, throwing punches for real against an untrained and unprepared Ali,whose good nature prevented him from carving Marciano up like hamburger which many other champs would have done.Imagine Tyson,or Dempsey's reaction to a fighter taking such a liberty in such an unprofessional manner? They would have been all over Marciano like a rabid wolf on a stray sheep!

"In passing I might add my own personal observation,with both in their prime Ali would have destroyed Rocky. the Rock's considerable talents.
However his was a talent to absorb punishment while waiting to dispense his own brand of bad medicine to his opponent.
Ali would have been too fast,too smart,too big,and too much for Rocky's facial tissues ,which were inordinately frail for a fighter whose style was to catch every punch in the face."Pacheco

The Fight Doctor Ferdie Pacheco,page 81 chapter 5.


GROW UP!!!!!

A couple of years after Sullivan took Paddy Ryan's BK title. Ryan was down his luck and Sullivan set-up a New York (gloved) exhibition (giving all the proceeds to Paddy.)

At the time New York disallowed prize fights but did allow boxing exhibitions. This was the plan: Four round exhibition.

They couldn't get past the first minute until one blow excelerated the exhibition into a fight. A minute and a half into the very first round, the cops entered the ring and stopped the "exhibition."

It's just in their nature to fight.

P.S. Will Smith was concerned about James Toney playing "Joe Frazier" in Ali! -- He wasn't sure he could trust Toney (I suspect because of rep). Toney had to chase Will Smith down and convince him he was more stable than is reputation suggested.

[Bronson66]

A couple of years after Sullivan took Paddy Ryan's BK title. Ryan was down his luck and Sullivan set-up a New York (gloved) exhibition (giving all the proceeds to Paddy.)

At the time New York disallowed prize fights but did allow boxing exhibitions. This was the plan: Four round exhibition.

They couldn't get past the first minute until one blow excelerated the exhibition into a fight. A minute and a half into the very first round, the cops entered the ring and stopped the "exhibition."

It's just in their nature to fight.

P.S. Will Smith was concerned about James Toney playing "Joe Frazier" in Ali! -- He wasn't sure he could trust Toney (I suspect because of rep). Toney had to chase Will Smith down and convince him he was more stable than is reputation suggested.

My point being Marciano took a liberty and a poster is celebrating it and acting as though it proves all his, over the top fan boy worship is justified,he even goes to the lengths of adding bits of his own hyperbole to what he finds and then presents it as a fact. Its totally absurd!

[Willie Pep 229]

My point being Marciano took a liberty and a poster is celebrating it and acting as though it proves all his, over the top fan boy worship is justified,he even goes to the lengths of adding bits of his own hyperbole to what he finds and then presents it as a fact. Its totally absurd!

Yeah. I understood your point.

I was just sharing how difficult it is for these guys to pull their punches.

[Bronson66]

Yeah. I understood your point.

I was just sharing how difficult it is for these guys to pull their punches.

Ali managed it.