Page 302 in the book “unbeaten”

[Bronson66]

- - Dope. it were one and the same.

No it was a separate fight and not part of the tournament series. There were several alternative endings made depending on where the fight was shown,for example Ali won by a tko in the UK Marciano won by a ko in Africa and Italy, but a ****** like you would not be aware of that.

[Bronson66]

Where have you been? I've been missing the hilarious Marciano nonsens... as well as the constant modern bashing!

Perhaps Ali should have put some steam on those jabs and let Rocky feel them?
One man was pulling his punches and one was trying for a ko.Ali halted the action and told Rocky,if you keep doing this I'm going to start throwing serious shots,Rocky energized continued to throw real punches ,Chris Dundee the "referee ,"said nothing and Murray Woroner fearing his meal ticket was about to disappear ,jumped in the ring and halted the action saving Marciano from some severe retribution.

[Bronson66]

Proves my long su****ions correct. It was a redeeming moment.

Marciano beat Ali up and dropped him for a 5 minute count, prompting Ali to demand 2000 dollars cash to continue sparring with him. Ali was seen sporting welts all over his body by proudly showing them off at a restaurant. Ali was said to say he could barely lift his arms after working with Marciano. He said Marciano was surprisingly hard to hit with the jab and had his own style that nobody could teach. He said he would be the hardest guy to beat, that he�s better than Joe Frazier , the man who beat him. That he may not have won against Marciano.

Ali demanded the tapes burned.

Can�t be argued now, soon every should wake up and see the brilliance and greatness of Marciano.

There is no mention of Marciano dropping Ali for a five minute count in that book. There is also no mention of Ali demanding any tapes be burned ,not in that book ,nor in Ferdie Pacheco's book.
Likewise none of the underlined is in that book.

[QueensburyRules]

No it was a separate fight and not part of the tournament series. There were several alternative endings made depending on where the fight was shown,for example Ali won by a tko in the UK Marciano won by a ko in Africa and Italy, but a ****** like you would not be aware of that.

- - What I know wouldn’t fit in U pin head.

Water wet, sky blue wif U pinhead stuck in a bag of glue…

[them_apples]

There is no mention of Marciano dropping Ali for a five minute count in that book. There is also no mention of Ali demanding any tapes be burned ,not in that book ,nor in Ferdie Pacheco's book.
Likewise none of the underlined is in that book.

Will post the page. MAKE SURE YOU READ IT before responding

Not everything is from that book that I posted, but all of it I am positive others on this forum have come across before. Pacheco was the one who said 5 minutes, but in this case stopping the fight and demanding money sounds like the equivalent to his story, which was referring to the demanding 2k

it says:

Ali got dropped to his knee (he got dropped)
Marciano threatened to hit his arms (it sounds like Ali didn’t like this as he couldnt move his arms)

Ali quit and took time off and demanded money (he got stopped)

every single interview Ali speaks of Rock with utmost tespect and humility


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[them_apples]

Perhaps Ali should have put some steam on those jabs and let Rocky feel them?
One man was pulling his punches and one was trying for a ko.Ali halted the action and told Rocky,if you keep doing this I'm going to start throwing serious shots,Rocky energized continued to throw real punches ,Chris Dundee the "referee ,"said nothing and Murray Woroner fearing his meal ticket was about to disappear ,jumped in the ring and halted the action saving Marciano from some severe retribution.

Marciano wasn’t trying for a Ko. They both did the same to eachother. Ali also tried to stiffen Marciano up with a cross which isn’t mentioned, but is how the sessions got so heated. Rock would hit his body hard, Ali who doesnt have good body shots retaliated with a head shot.

regardless a 45 year old smaller man hurt Ali bad and this is a fact

[Willow The Wisp]

The National Cash Register 315 - RMC Data Processing System was a 1965 upgrade of the original 315, and was by today's standards, at 40 KB, something you can't even find in a Dollar Store. But Murry Woroner's use of the new and still misunderstood technology to stage a tournament was fun.

The first round matches were:
Jack Dempsey vs. Gentleman Jim Corbett
John L. Sullivan vs. Jim Braddock
Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Jack Sharkey
Jim Jeffries vs. Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Louis vs. Jess Willard
Max Baer vs. Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano vs. Gene Tunney
Muhammad Ali vs. Max Schmeling

The biggest surprises were the matchups between Tunney and Marciano, the two men who had retired as champions having never lost it. Per the NCR 315, Marciano won a one-sided decision over Tunney, a master technician, which didn’t ring true with many historians; and Max Baer taking a 15-round decision over Jack Johnson, which seemed even more absurd to those who understood the two.

In the quarter-finals, Dempsey knocked out John L. Sullivan, Marciano knocked out Baer, and Joe Louis knocked out Fitzsimmons.
The one fight that went the distance caused an uproar, as Jim J. Jeffries, was given a 15 round decision over Muhammad Ali.
In response, Ali called Jeffries “history’s clumsiest, most slow-footed heavyweight” and sued the producer for $1 million, claiming defamation.

In the semi-final between Dempsey and Louis,
Dempsey was knocked down twice, but Louis was put down four times allowing Dempsey to advance; and in the other semi, Marciano scored a 14th-round knockout over Jeffries despite giving away some 30 pounds.

In the climactic final, Marciano brutalized Dempsey, scoring six knockdowns on the way to a 13th-round KO.

it was Ali’s lawsuit that served as a catalyst for the promoter’s legacy production. Woroner convinced Ali to abort the court case by giving him $10,000 and a title shot at the computer tournament champion, Marciano. This time, the two fighters would act-out their “fight” in a television studio in February 1969, with the edited production going out to 1,500 theatres on closed-circuit in North America and Europe for a one-time-only showing 11 months later. Ali and Marciano would each earn a cut of the gate.

[Willie Pep 229]

The National Cash Register 315 - RMC Data Processing System was a 1965 upgrade of the original 315, and was by today's standards, at 40 KB, something you can't even find in a Dollar Store. But Murry Woroner's use of the new and still misunderstood technology to stage a tournament was fun.

The first round matches were:
Jack Dempsey vs. Gentleman Jim Corbett
John L. Sullivan vs. Jim Braddock
Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Jack Sharkey
Jim Jeffries vs. Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Louis vs. Jess Willard
Max Baer vs. Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano vs. Gene Tunney
Muhammad Ali vs. Max Schmeling

The biggest surprises were the matchups between Tunney and Marciano, the two men who had retired as champions having never lost it. Per the NCR 315, Marciano won a one-sided decision over Tunney, a master technician, which didn’t ring true with many historians; and Max Baer taking a 15-round decision over Jack Johnson, which seemed even more absurd to those who understood the two.

In the quarter-finals, Dempsey knocked out John L. Sullivan, Marciano knocked out Baer, and Joe Louis knocked out Fitzsimmons.
The one fight that went the distance caused an uproar, as Jim J. Jeffries, was given a 15 round decision over Muhammad Ali.
In response, Ali called Jeffries “history’s clumsiest, most slow-footed heavyweight” and sued the producer for $1 million, claiming defamation.

In the semi-final between Dempsey and Louis,
Dempsey was knocked down twice, but Louis was put down four times allowing Dempsey to advance; and in the other semi, Marciano scored a 14th-round knockout over Jeffries despite giving away some 30 pounds.

In the climactic final, Marciano brutalized Dempsey, scoring six knockdowns on the way to a 13th-round KO.

it was Ali’s lawsuit that served as a catalyst for the promoter’s legacy production. Woroner convinced Ali to abort the court case by giving him $10,000 and a title shot at the computer tournament champion, Marciano. This time, the two fighters would act-out their “fight” in a television studio in February 1969, with the edited production going out to 1,500 theatres on closed-circuit in North America and Europe for a one-time-only showing 11 months later. Ali and Marciano would each earn a cut of the gate.

Thanks for posting.

What they didn't realize is that they needed to run the computer scenario 10,000 times, literally. That way you get a probability.

Even T-rump on 538.com had an 18% chance to beat Hillary in 2016 and did.

Kind of unfair to punish the computer because it produced an 'outlier' in the Jeffries-Ali fight. They're inevitable.

But then again, it was 1967 and we were told computers were magic.

P.S. I will have to have a another talk with ChatGPT. It has Dempsey-Louis in the finals.

The AI once before let me correct it about a Jerry Lewis film, I think I will challenge it agian with this information. Marciano over Dempsey in the finals.

This actually joggs my memory because I now remember them saying or me reading that they approached Dempsey for the video, but it just didn't work for video. Thus the replacement with a money starved Ali and got all that wonderful free publicity the racial element generated.

Thanks for posting.

[Willie Pep 229]

OK big ChatGPT disappointment.

The other day I asked about the 1967 Computer boxing tournament and it gave me Louis and Dempsey in the finals.

Right after I asked about the video production that followed and it immediately recognized the change, switched to that result. Ali-Marciano. Very smart I thought.

Now today, I asked it about the original results a second time, but this time suggesting its first answer might possibly wrong. It replied "You're correct." Then proceeded to tell me instead that Dempsey defeated Jeffries in the finals. LOL

I think we can feel safe about AI for the near future. It reads fast, but its comprehension is lagging behind like an LD kid.

P.S. If it will truly be a danger to Mankind in the future, we should strangle it in its crib right now. It is still pretty s-tupid and weak, and wouldn't see us coming.

P.S.S. Be sure to use a wooden baseball bat when you beat on it, not an aluminum one, just to make the point: We don't need technology to be a killer-ape, a tree branch will do just fine.

[Willow The Wisp]

OK big ChatGPT disappointment.

The other day I asked about the 1967 Computer boxing tournament and it gave me Louis and Dempsey in the finals.

Right after I asked about the video production that followed and it immediately recognized the change, switched to that result. Ali-Marciano. Very smart I thought.

Now today, I asked it about the original results a second time, but this time suggesting its first answer might possibly wrong. It replied "You're correct." Then proceeded to tell me instead that Dempsey defeated Jeffries in the finals. LOL

I think we can feel safe about AI for the near future. It reads fast, but its comprehension is lagging behind like an LD kid.

P.S. If it will truly be a danger to Mankind in the future, we should strangle it in its crib right now. It is still pretty s-tupid and weak, and wouldn't see us coming.

P.S.S. Be sure to use a wooden baseball bat when you beat on it, not an aluminum one, just to make the point: We don't need technology to be a killer-ape, a tree branch will do just fine.

Good dude.
I did 40 years closely associated with the tech.
Then as now, the transferring of information is a W.I.P.