Does Fury's Performance With Ngannou Affect His Standing?

[billeau2]

Internet-Warrior1.jpg is this queeny ??? lay off our lad fury. lock up your little green monster. fury took it easy and slacked a bit but he will batter usyk because he will take it seriously like the wilder fight not like the wallin fight. you see. only kidding queeny

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Queenie, the cyber god!

[billeau2]

Wrong time, wrong guy.

It is quite amazing how the rhetoric has changed because of one KD.

Before the fight so many on here were saying this guy was in their top ten or even top five. Some, that he was even unbeatable, by all the pervious HW Champions.

Now, after one KD, against an MMA fighter, and he's suddenly looks very beatable.

Interesting. One KD, plus a dismal perforance, against the wrong guy, and the rhetoric changed over night.

Isn't that typical of the general public?

[_Rexy_]

No, it's completely normal for "the greatest heavyweight of all time" to get dropped, lose rounds, and fight terrified against someone who'd never had a pro boxing match before.


Fury is just that great.

[QueensburyRules]

Are you ****** or what?

Canelo literally failed a drug test. He tested positive for Clenbuterol on two separate occasions.

That isn't an opinion that is a literal fact you ****** cunt.

- - Tested for a few ghost nanograms well below the FAIL threshold in between streaks of zero results

Sorta like U ninnygram IQ being born from birth as a FAIL on every occasion.

[IronDanHamza]

- - Tested for a few ghost nanograms well below the FAIL threshold in between streaks of zero results

Sorta like U ninnygram IQ being born from birth as a FAIL on every occasion.

No, that was after they changed their protocol after the fact. That has no bearing on his failed drug test.

He tested positive for Clenbuterol on two separate occasions, that is a fact.

[billeau2]

No, it's completely normal for "the greatest heavyweight of all time" to get dropped, lose rounds, and fight terrified against someone who'd never had a pro boxing match before.


Fury is just that great.

Well... Its normal for them to get the decision... these days!

[Willie Pep 229]

Isn't that typical of the general public?

The business of prize fighting, as usual.

[Willie Pep 229]

No, it's completely normal for "the greatest heavyweight of all time" to get dropped, lose rounds, and fight terrified against someone who'd never had a pro boxing match before.


Fury is just that great.

OK I'll go with that. I believe that to be true.

Next time one of these guys bad mouths Joe Louis for going down against lesser competition can I count on you to back Louis's greatness?

[billeau2]

No, that was after they changed their protocol after the fact. That has no bearing on his failed drug test.

He tested positive for Clenbuterol on two separate occasions, that is a fact.

It would be great if you and others who understand how the testing works, laid out a thread about it... I remember being asked to adjudicate a debate between Travesty and ATP (?) on the testing procedures. I felt both of them did a fantastic job, and I remember looking at the information carefully. It seemed to me there is quite a lot of complexity and room for error regarding how these procedures work.

I have been fortunate enough to have a very dear friend (both of my kids Godfather or as he says "Godless father" lol) that knew Victor Conte. So i learned quite a bit about how machines that were rare, incredibly expensive, could pick up micro nutrients that were lacking... and how steroids were `a part of that whole process, where the lines between anabolics and other such catalysts, etc were not so clearly drawn.

People could really benefit from solid information about these tests... There is so much misinformation unfortunately.

[max baer]

It would be great if you and others who understand how the testing works, laid out a thread about it... I remember being asked to adjudicate a debate between Travesty and ATP (?) on the testing procedures. I felt both of them did a fantastic job, and I remember looking at the information carefully. It seemed to me there is quite a lot of complexity and room for error regarding how these procedures work.

I have been fortunate enough to have a very dear friend (both of my kids Godfather or as he says "Godless father" lol) that knew Victor Conte. So i learned quite a bit about how machines that were rare, incredibly expensive, could pick up micro nutrients that were lacking... and how steroids were `a part of that whole process, where the lines between anabolics and other such catalysts, etc were not so clearly drawn.

People could really benefit from solid information about these tests... There is so much misinformation unfortunately.

i agree. i recall this and i tell everyone this over the years till they are sick of me. it's about carl lewis and ben johnston and the olympics.
Ben johnston was an above average sprinter but not a great and carl lewis won the 100 mgold in los angeles. After that ben johnston started improving so drastically and winning his races.
Asked what he thought of johnston lewis just said "he's an average sprinter."
coming into the seoul olympics johnston was getting better and better but most watching who knew a bit about these things was convinced he was on steroids. He won the 100m and broke the world record and lewis if you watch congratulated him which must have

really pissed him off so much as they all knew he cheated but could say nothing. Then while the olympics was still on johnston was caught.
That much most of us know and lewis was given gold after the olympics and he seemed so pleased that the world now knew for sure that johnston was a drugs cheat.
About 6 months later i was a paper boy in the morning and the headlines were "lewis caught as a drugs cheat" and I thought "no please don't be true" as I idolised lewis at that time being about 13.
Everyone was saying "arh for christs sake they are all drugs cheats" and people became very wearied about athletics in general.
It turned out lewis had just taken a cold remedy with a completely innocent ingredient that while banned was never considered to really be of much help to a sprinter.
But the damage was done by the media as mud sticks and the whole sport was really in the dumps.
You may remember flo jo also blew away the competition in her 100m at the seoul olympics and nearly everyone thought her sudden huge improvements were also due to steroids.
See me going on a bit here but the only point i was illustrating was that the lie travels twice around the world while the truth is still putting their shoes on. Lewis's partner bought him a cold remedy out of season and the results were anounced later out of season. But the press and the media made him look guilty like johnston whose eyes were bulging out with red capilleries and was taking a strong anabolic steroid.
I just relay this story to say how misinformation can really pile on and mud sticks,
some drugs and other peds can vary in what they can do by a huge long way. but all we hear is "oh they are a drug's cheat, full stop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGyX5VDpI5U