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It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

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  • #71
    Originally posted by cyril layman View Post

    You are born with punching power it's not something that can be taught.
    Mostly false but with an element of truth to it. You can absolutely be taught to increase your punching power. Very few fighters actually fully maximize their kinetic chain and improving technique will improve punching power.

    That being said, sometimes people come into the sport with instinctive technique, and there's certainly a component of power that's genetic, things like length of lever, where the tendons attach, density of bones/muscle, etc. So all things being equal, people will have different maximum levels that they can achieve. But all things aren't equal, and most people don't ever reach their maximum, and can absolutely be taught to increase their power.

    Besides, knockouts come from punches that you don't see coming. Certain styles really don't lend themselves to being able to knock someone out, sometimes because you're right in front of them and they can see the punches coming, other times because you're fighting off the back foot and it's much harder to generate power off the back foot with most punches aside from check hooks because your mass is moving away from the opponent. There's a whole host of reasons aside from power that keep people from being able to get knockouts. Most knockouts are TKO's anyways.

    The main truth to that truism is that it's very rare to get someone who can really get one hit KO's, especially as the level of opposition goes up, because opponents at higher levels have better defense and are better able to see the punches coming, and it's correspondingly less likely for them to miss a punch enough that they can really get one hit KOed. But you can still teach a boxer to get the angles and use feints and advanced punch selection, or counter punch timing, to increase the likelihood of them landing a punch that the opponent didn't see coming, and thus that's another way that someone can learn to get KO's when they didn't before.

    Power is an incredibly misunderstood concept.
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    • #72
      - - Imagine 175 lb Hearns vs 147 Leonard.

      Warms me greatly to calculate the splatter diameter...

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      • #73
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

        - - Noone ever agrees with you...NOONE!!!
        You do see the irony here? No? The crackpot is accusing another of being so? Lol.

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        • #74
          Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

          You do see the irony here? No? The crackpot is accusing another of being so? Lol.
          Is he really a crackpot? I thought he was just a pot to piss in.

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          • #75
            Originally posted by Slugfester View Post

            Is he really a crackpot? I thought he was just a pot to piss in.
            Queenie has his moments... between bouts of delusions and mass conspiracies.

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            • #76
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

              Queenie has his moments... between bouts of delusions and mass conspiracies.
              quenie is very witty and educated and he lives in big ol' texas where they shoot straight from the hip. My dad is like him he enjoys getting debates going rather then mass agreement. what he wants is for people to outwit him so he can get a good debate going. He is a nice guy. I find he talks a lot of sense and i find his put downs witty and i've received a few of them. his knowledge is unarguably vast.
              we need a good heel to get debate going good.!!! Queenie is a great boxing heel in the classic sense
              Last edited by max baer; 05-28-2023, 12:30 PM.
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              • #77
                Originally posted by them_apples View Post
                The post is the statement

                Ah. Getting stronger does not make one stronger. Got it.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by GelfSara View Post


                  Ah. Getting stronger does not make one stronger. Got it.
                  Thats what you get from the debate? Go back to school lol.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

                    Thats what you get from the debate? Go back to school lol.
                    Deep.

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                    • #80
                      Some good responses here from posters I haven’t heard from in a while.

                      outside of this, my own personal experience I have never met someone who lifted and bulked up and started hitting better. I have never dealt with it in my own experience and I have never seen it in the millions of fights I have watched over 15 years. This has to amount to something. At least its supporting evidence

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