It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

[max baer]

some great informative stuff written here. see as a kid and teen i was all slow twitch fibres and loved long distance running while i sang to myself and composed tunes and the endorphins raced through i was in bliss.
but around 15 onwards i would get jealous of muscular men who looked better and got girls so i wanted more muscular look. but it was near impossible for this skinny slow twitch guy to get muscular despite training and taking protein drinks and eating well. i tried to pump iron but got even more skinny. i guess my whole body is slow twitch. so i gave up and went drinking and then forgot about training and more about drugs and drink. i was born skinny slow twitch fibres and that is that.
i am happier about my body now than i have ever been in my forties. but i have filled out a bit and medication side effects have caused weight gain that i work on keeping slimmer.
girls would always tell me i was soooo skinny. but they always stuck to me so i can't of being that bad. did you know being skinny makes one more photogenic, most famous stars are skinny if you meet them. but i am past caring about looks to a large extent, for younger guys i would say use technology to get a great body as there are so many things on the market that help these days. like those tummy toners they make it easy to get a six pack. thats why so many guys have toned. read this soldiers have know about it for generations. this ab type of thing is good they have arm and leg ones too. the muscle can be contracted 1000 times a day in 15 minutes which increases your testosterone as test increases with muscle contractions. bruce lee first used ems and it gives explosive power. he said ten minutes on ems on arms and chest is like doing 1000 push ups; if you do use ems on arms and legs make sure you rest as well and eat protein and good food. ems improves explosive power and it is widely used by all martial artists. it was a karate instructor who first told me bout it.


https://www.outlookindia.com/outlook...y--news-279879


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipXkHhnC7yY this is the bruce lee film on ems

but you can only improve what you are not become someone else. work to your strengths. some men will always be slim and other will always be big and roundish. focus of the best aspects and look for role models who are similar. worst thing in the world is to hate yourself,. always find the best in your attributes and keep positively moving forward.

[crimsonfalcon07]

You are right about most of this, except for the premise I bolded. Lifting heavyweights has been proven to develop fast twitch muscle fibers, thats why sprinters squat, deadlift, and even RDL heavy. So while many here are arguing that being bulky and having heavier muscles does not increase your punch power (focusing on the mass portion) they are ignoring that you can recruit more fast twitch muscle fibers by lifting weights. In essence, muscle are what cause the acceleration.

Now, before ya'll jump down my throat about supporting just having bigger muscle bound fighters, thats not what I am writing. I am simply stating that all else being equal, more fast twitch muscle fibers increase acceleration (thats why sprinters are very muscular), and you can & do recruit more fast twitch muscle fibers by lifting heavy weights.

Of course, boxing is not a sprint sport, and thats why there needs to be a balance between developing muscle (being built like a sprinter) and building for stamina (being built like a distance runner)

Ok, that's fair, I should have written that it doesn't necessarily develop muscle in the way that one needs for acceleration, particularly lifting heavy. That's why bodybuilders are almost never fast, either hands or feet. They train to move heavy things slowly, and often don't train explosiveness. Part of the problem is that things aren't equal. Lifting heavy trains your body to move at a particular pace. That's why it's not generally helpful to shadowbox with heavy weights. If you're not careful to maintain your hand speed (which is impossible with weights that are too heavy), it will actually slow you down, even if your endurance goes up.

So while you may be recruiting more fast twitch muscles, you're also likely developing the strength aspect, not explosiveness, and you're primarily training 2B, not developing 2A which are better for fighters due to their aerobic component. I suspect some of it may be cerebellar in nature; you get used to a particular speed and perhaps your mind locks you into that speed. But you need to train to move as quickly as possible for combat and sprinting.

Sprinters may lift weights, but they're also spending a lot of time actually sprinting, doing box jumps, etc. If they only did heavy lifting they would invariably end up slowing down. That's why it's important to train for what you're going to do.

[max baer]

Ok, that's fair, I should have written that it doesn't necessarily develop muscle in the way that one needs for acceleration, particularly lifting heavy. That's why bodybuilders are almost never fast, either hands or feet. They train to move heavy things slowly, and often don't train explosiveness. Part of the problem is that things aren't equal. Lifting heavy trains your body to move at a particular pace. That's why it's not generally helpful to shadowbox with heavy weights. If you're not careful to maintain your hand speed (which is impossible with weights that are too heavy), it will actually slow you down, even if your endurance goes up.

So while you may be recruiting more fast twitch muscles, you're also likely developing the strength aspect, not explosiveness, and you're primarily training 2B, not developing 2A which are better for fighters due to their aerobic component. I suspect some of it may be cerebellar in nature; you get used to a particular speed and perhaps your mind locks you into that speed. But you need to train to move as quickly as possible for combat and sprinting.

Sprinters may lift weights, but they're also spending a lot of time actually sprinting, doing box jumps, etc. If they only did heavy lifting they would invariably end up slowing down. That's why it's important to train for what you're going to do.

i've never known a martial artist who doesn't use ems like bruce lee and all ufc fighters and pro boxers use ems.
it is for explosive muscle power as it is a static isometric contraction. you ems and you will never lose an arm wrestle again.
jean claude van damne used it and still does.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/7...-roy-jones-jr/
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ems is so good for explosive speed and you can use it while weight lifting to create a huge load.
it is mainly used by martial artists like van damne and dolph lundgren. gives you that

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taught strong feel. you need to fork out for a good one though. TysonElectro3.webp
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mike tyson uses ems. ive never known a martial artist who doesnt use one it would put you at a huge disadvantage to not make use of it. it should definately improve your power and speed. it really is amazing if you use it along with your training and diet full of good food. and good deep warm sleep. using it often increases your sex drive massively as all the contractions spikes testosterone leading you to feel really horny. women can use it too to tone up and strengthen their bodies, madonna has always used it since the 80's

[DeeMoney]

some great informative stuff written here. see as a kid and teen i was all slow twitch fibres and loved long distance running while i sang to myself and composed tunes and the endorphins raced through i was in bliss.
but around 15 onwards i would get jealous of muscular men who looked better and got girls so i wanted more muscular look. but it was near impossible for this skinny slow twitch guy to get muscular despite training and taking protein drinks and eating well. i tried to pump iron but got even more skinny. i guess my whole body is slow twitch. so i gave up and went drinking and then forgot about training and more about drugs and drink. i was born skinny slow twitch fibres and that is that.
i am happier about my body now than i have ever been in my forties. but i have filled out a bit and medication side effects have caused weight gain that i work on keeping slimmer.
girls would always tell me i was soooo skinny. but they always stuck to me so i can't of being that bad. did you know being skinny makes one more photogenic, most famous stars are skinny if you meet them. but i am past caring about looks to a large extent, for younger guys i would say use technology to get a great body as there are so many things on the market that help these days. like those tummy toners they make it easy to get a six pack. thats why so many guys have toned. read this soldiers have know about it for generations. this ab type of thing is good they have arm and leg ones too. the muscle can be contracted 1000 times a day in 15 minutes which increases your testosterone as test increases with muscle contractions. bruce lee first used ems and it gives explosive power. he said ten minutes on ems on arms and chest is like doing 1000 push ups; if you do use ems on arms and legs make sure you rest as well and eat protein and good food. ems improves explosive power and it is widely used by all martial artists. it was a karate instructor who first told me bout it.


https://www.outlookindia.com/outlook...y--news-279879


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipXkHhnC7yY this is the bruce lee film on ems

but you can only improve what you are not become someone else. work to your strengths. some men will always be slim and other will always be big and roundish. focus of the best aspects and look for role models who are similar. worst thing in the world is to hate yourself,. always find the best in your attributes and keep positively moving forward.

Yeah, in the end most of what we are is predetermined by genetics and environmental factors. You can only make so many changes to it, but you are still limited in lots of ways.

One book I'd strongly recommend reading is 'The Sports Gene', by David Epstein. It delves into those topics pretty well

[max baer]

Yeah, in the end most of what we are is predetermined by genetics and environmental factors. You can only make so many changes to it, but you are still limited in lots of ways.

One book I'd strongly recommend reading is 'The Sports Gene', by David Epstein. It delves into those topics pretty well

i'll try and get that book thanks for the advice it is good advice.

[max baer]

one other thing about fast and slow twitch muscle fibres is that you are born with a certain ratio and sports scientists say that there can be some wee bit of change (ie a person made up of 80% slow twitch can train hard with resistance and grow some more fast twitch fibres. fast twitch fibres and the large ones that are fuelled by glucose and have short burst exertion followed by rest. bodybuilders will have 90% or so fast twich fibres as will all weight lifters and 100 metre sprinters.
slow twitch fibres like mine are fuelled by oxygen and are 90% the make up of endurance runners and athletes who exert themselves for long durations. ems muscle machines generally improve fast twitch fibres but not entirely and using the contractions very lightly can improve your anaerobic threshold.
if you just wanted to look toned and strong then combining ems with weight lifting or jogging you can't go wrong.

[Bundana]

Imagine if experts in these things had muscle biopsies from the following fighters (without knowing who they were, of course) at their disposal:

Bob Fitzsimmons
Jimmy Wilde
Joe Louis
Julian Jackson
Bob Foster

Maxie Rosenbloom
Harry Greb
Miguel Canto
Tommy Loughran
Sven Ottke

Upon careful examination of these 10 biopsies... would the non-boxing experts be able to correctly separate the ko-artists from the feather-fisted boxers? What do you guys think?

And by the way... such a study could easily be made with contemporary boxers. So why has this (at least to my knowledge) not already been done?

[max baer]

Imagine if experts in these things had muscle biopsies from the following fighters (without knowing who they were, of course) at their disposal:

Bob Fitzsimmons
Jimmy Wilde
Joe Louis
Julian Jackson
Bob Foster

Maxie Rosenbloom
Harry Greb
Miguel Canto
Tommy Loughran
Sven Ottke

Upon careful examination of these 10 biopsies... would the non-boxing experts be able to correctly separate the ko-artists from the feather-fisted boxers? What do you guys think?

And by the way... such a study could easily be made with contemporary boxers. So why has this (at least to my knowledge) not already been done?

boxers need a mix of both fibres fast twitch and slow twitch. they constantly push their anaerobic threshold.
fast twitch or slow twitch fibres on their own is impossible as parts of the body have different compositions such as buttocks having fast twitch and arms possibly slow twitch. it is that explosive fast twitch that say 100 metre runners have or dead lifters but they can still have a mix to some extent.
it is just that slow twitch fibres that require oxygen are smaller in size and fast twitch fibres last only a few quick seconds but are much bigger hence why a sprinter looks more muscular then a marathon runner as the marathon runner has muscles but they are the smaller slow twitch ones. if a person wanted to just simply look muscular and strong purely to look at like a model then fast twitch fibres would be ideal to look strong. if a person was predominately made of fast twitch fibres like a strongman he would find simply running difficult as he has little oxygen slow twitch fibres to keep going. i noticed over the years that the world's strongest man event each year has been criticised for including too many aerobic parts to the tasks and strongmen argue this is not strength but fitness too much and a lot of people agree. sorry for writing in layman's terms but i know no other way to express my teachings.

[Bundana]

boxers need a mix of both fibres fast twitch and slow twitch. they constantly push their anaerobic threshold.
fast twitch or slow twitch fibres on their own is impossible as parts of the body have different compositions such as buttocks having fast twitch and arms possibly slow twitch. it is that explosive fast twitch that say 100 metre runners have or dead lifters but they can still have a mix to some extent.
it is just that slow twitch fibres that require oxygen are smaller in size and fast twitch fibres last only a few quick seconds but are much bigger hence why a sprinter looks more muscular then a marathon runner as the marathon runner has muscles but they are the smaller slow twitch ones. if a person wanted to just simply look muscular and strong purely to look at like a model then fast twitch fibres would be ideal to look strong. if a person was predominately made of fast twitch fibres like a strongman he would find simply running difficult as he has little oxygen slow twitch fibres to keep going. i noticed over the years that the world's strongest man event each year has been criticised for including too many aerobic parts to the tasks and strongmen argue this is not strength but fitness too much and a lot of people agree. sorry for writing in layman's terms but i know no other way to express my teachings.

Yes, I understand all that, but what I want to know is this: Performing a thorough, full-body autopsy on a fighter... is it likely that something can be found, that will lead us to conclude anything about that person's hitting power? Or his durability (chin) for that matter? Are such things dependant on a boxer's physical (visible or microscopic) makeup... or are these simply abilities, the origin of which we can't really determine?

Another example:
Lets say, that Magnus Carlsen is killed in a car crash tomorrow (heaven forbid, of course!). The world's best experts are called in to dissect and scrutinize his brain. When they are finished will they all proclaim "ok, now we can see, why he was such a great chessplayer"? Or will his brain look like any other brain, and not reveal anything related to his chess-brilliance? I have of course no way of knowing... but my guess would be, that the latter is the case!

[QueensburyRules]

- - Bottom line is the thread header by the OP is nonsensical on so many levels as to be...