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It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

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  • It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

    The post is the statement, here are my reasons to back it up: we are talking about punches here, not pushes. short, fast abrupt and strong impacts designed to peircing the bodies natural defense (bracing)

    1). It's never happened, every fighter was a better puncher at a lighter weight. (straight logic here) given they are fully grown

    2). A punch is about velocity and weight of the object (fist/wrist). You can't make your muscles bigger to improve this. It doesn't work like that.

    The only way to become a harder puncher by getting heavier is by growing naturally, through bone structure and actual muscles + tendons. like a teenager does when he becomes a man.

    You can condition your muscles to be well used and strong, but once you bulk you start losing velocity, mobility and dexterity because it's not natural to your body. Once again, never has this been done before so let's stop pretending it's a thing.

    Size is determined by your natural bone structure and musculature. Not by how big your make your legs' from squatting, or biceps from curling. This is purely aesthetics.

    making yourself stronger at your natural weight is a different story all together. Any type of MASS or "put on" muscle will never increase your power, ever.

    When someone lifts weights in the gym for years, and their muscles eventually grow, it's the body's way of adapting to the environment it's being put through. Standing around and lifting heavy things tells your body it needs to build muscle. Sprinters get the same thing.

    Why would you ever do this in boxing? we had 100's of years saying don't do this, and only in this era do they all of a sudden become "modern conditioning" being told to us by strength and conditioning coaches with Kin degrees but 0 degree in boxing. Why do people play along with this joke?

    You never see Mayweather touching weights, he grew up around all great fighters. He did it right. But he's wrong??

    come on people have faith in your own observation.
    Last edited by them_apples; 01-19-2023, 03:08 PM.

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    Some fighters have become bigger punchers as they went up. Bellew was barely a puncher at 175, became a legit hitter at cruiserweight and even heavyweight
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    • #3
      You gain punching power as you gain weight in absolute terms. That's the law of physics and not debateable. We can discuss it in relative terms though as I would think the KO's share decline as fighters rise in weightdivisions. There'd be exceptions, but I reckon that wold be the general rule.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by kara View Post
        Some fighters have become bigger punchers as they went up. Bellew was barely a puncher at 175, became a legit hitter at cruiserweight and even heavyweight
        - - Bellew a huge guy had no biz at 175, a bad management decision disrespecting the health and career of a fighter that boxing is rife with.

        Nobody I know thinks emaciated Manny knocking out flyweights could automatically KO a big welter like welter Manny did.

        OP seldom thinks things through to continue coming up with these non sequiturs.

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        • #5
          LOL... another absolute claim from the OP, that can't be verified!

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            Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
            You gain punching power as you gain weight in absolute terms. That's the law of physics and not debateable. We can discuss it in relative terms though as I would think the KO's share decline as fighters rise in weightdivisions. There'd be exceptions, but I reckon that wold be the general rule.
            This is debateable. And I can explain.

            a knockout punch HAS to have a degree of explosivety. Its not governed by weight.

            a knockout punch has to delivery enough force to cause the whiplash effect, since the target its hitting, the human body will automatically reflexively brace itself to absorb damage. It won’t have time to do this if the shot is fast and sharp enough, hitting a “soft target”.

            getting heavier often will turn punches into “pushes†, a push while carrying more weight, simply moves the fighter but does less damage.

            this is also why “measuring†‚ punching power is also a tricky subject.

            This is why Joe Frazier hits harder than chris areolla.

            lastly your technique will even suffer, when the arms are unable to tuck in close and the shoulders hang relaxed. This becomes harder, and more oxygen is consumed.

            Ken Norton of 205 hits harder than Norton of 225.

            205 Holyfield “hits harder” than 225 lb Holyfield

            chopping wood or swinging a golfclub is similar to punching technique in regards to how the muscles should contract. This is another sport / job where having big muscles won’t increase your power. It often always appears “natural”. Once again, weight plays little role in the actual procedure

            225 lb Foreman hits harder than 260 lb Foreman
            Last edited by them_apples; 01-20-2023, 11:26 AM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bundana View Post
              LOL... another absolute claim from the OP, that can't be verified!
              won’t respond to this as it is clear this is nearly impossible to actually prove. See my above points as to why I believe so.

              such a foolish response Bundana, you break anything down far enough and it becomes impossible to prove

              once again you see the small picture, you see it well - but the big picture; you don’t see it at all!
              Last edited by them_apples; 01-20-2023, 11:24 AM.

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              • #8
                My bad on the smartphone posts all those wack hieroglyphs popping up

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Bellew a huge guy had no biz at 175, a bad management decision disrespecting the health and career of a fighter that boxing is rife with.

                  Nobody I know thinks emaciated Manny knocking out flyweights could automatically KO a big welter like welter Manny did.

                  OP seldom thinks things through to continue coming up with these non sequiturs.
                  Yeah but emaciated Manny was UNDERWEIGHT which is another factor all together. And emaciated Manny actually Hit very hard.

                  if we look at Mannys career, his punching power probably peaked in his left hand at 130 lbs. that left hand gained no real power as he jumped in weight, it was always hard.

                  his right hand did and that’s because his technique improved with it under roach.

                  Pacquiao wasn’t one hit koing full blown Welters, he was beating them to the punch and hitting them constantly flush because of his awkward Rythm. If you want to bring up Hatton, well just remember who else knocked out ******* Hatton.

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                  • #10
                    Punching power is driven more by the tendons and ligaments than the bulk of the muscle. This is why lanky fighters such as Hearns and Arguello had impressive power for their thin frames.
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