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  • historical boxing society
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    #171
    Originally posted by Dr. Z

    Most of those guys beat ranked contenders. I use ring magazine, which offers monthly an annual contenders staring in 1924. By this standard, Tyson Fury has beaten very few ranked contenders under 34 years old that and in and in good shape. Only Wilder qualifies as one, and if he fought other ranked contenders he would be less thought of. The foundation of Tyson Fury's ranking is very weak. Forget his " undefeated " record every body knows he lost to fat John McDermott and was suspect in a few fights. The fact that he is a PED drug chat as a professional and if a known fouler who has been deducted 5 points in points seperate fights diminishes his already shallow accomplishments.

    https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th...Annual_Ratings
    How in the world is Dillian Whyte not a top 10 in the year he fought him? He was WBC champion? You're information seems off

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      #172
      Originally posted by historical boxing society

      How in the world is Dillian Whyte not a top 10 in the year he fought him? He was WBC champion? You're information seems off
      New flash Dylan White was 35 yards old when Fury fought him.

      Once again what I said was correct.


      Most of those guys beat ranked contenders. I use ring magazine, which offers monthly an annual contenders staring in 1924. By this standard, Tyson Fury has beaten very few ranked contenders under 34 years old that and in and in good shape. Only Wilder qualifies as one, and if he fought other ranked contenders he would be less thought of. The foundation of Tyson Fury's ranking is very weak. Forget his " undefeated " record every body knows he lost to fat John McDermott and was suspect in a few fights. The fact that he is a PED drug chat as a professional and if a known fouler who has been deducted 5 points in points separate fights diminishes his already shallow accomplishments.
      https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Th...Annual_Ratings


      Now care to tell me which historians rank Fury highly? Whyte won the WBC belt from Povetkin age 40 when who KO'd him in the first fight. Povetkin was age 41 for the re-match which Whyte won for the WBC intern belt. Kudos to him. The win means over Whyte means virtually noting for Fury's legacy.

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        #173
        Originally posted by historical boxing society

        How in the world is Dillian Whyte not a top 10 in the year he fought him? He was WBC champion? You're information seems off
        WARNING DIGRESSION

        It would an interesting way to expose the absurdity of the multiple scantioning bodies if we were to find and list all "strap holders" who didn't make the Ring Magazine anual top ten, while they were reigning champion.

        I'll bet there are a few Eastern European and Russian WBC "champions" on that list.
        Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 04-11-2023, 04:07 PM.

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          #174
          Dillian Whyte is in the top 10 in each of the last 3 years on that site.2022/2021/2020.

          It's plain as day.

          In dec 2021 he's a Top 5

          Fury fought him 4 months later.

          Oh I see, you making a 34 & under clause. Well that's a bit ridiculous & intentionally misleading if you pick & choose a format to custom fit an argument. Beating Joe Joyce would mean nothing. Most of the boxers are over that cutoff. Getting credit for accomplishing "nothing" in a win is a rather slanted viewpoint.

          In the boxing world beating Joe Joyce will mean something.

          The 35 years old isn't the same today as it was in previous decade's. But I missed that part of the information.

          Assuming a boxer's win mean's something if he is 4-5 months younger and under 35 should have no bearing on the quality of the victory. That's just arguing semantics. He doesn't get credit due to a technicality and his win is "deemed" meaningless due to him being 1 month over the cutoff...

          Having the stars align & having a person not only under 35 but at the "exact time they fight" and also in the top 10 IDK about that.

          Joe Joyce is better at his current age than he was at 35, so why should it matter what his age is at the time of "engagement"

          Dillian Whyte is same boxer at 34 or 35 why give or take away any "extra" credit...to fit an argument. I just don't see logic in having an age cut off in today's world. In the past decade's I could see some "value" I suppose. But it's your argument, who am I to say it makes no sense.

          I honestly missed the age of 34 so I was confused. sorry
          Last edited by historical boxing society; 04-11-2023, 06:03 PM.

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            #175
            Originally posted by historical boxing society
            Dillian Whyte is in the top 10 in each of the last 3 years on that site.2022/2021/2020.

            It's plain as day.

            In dec 2021 he's a Top 5

            Fury fought him 4 months later.

            Oh I see, you making a 34 & under clause. Well that's a bit ridiculous & intentionally misleading if you pick & choose a format to custom fit an argument. Beating Joe Joyce would mean nothing. Most of the boxers are over that cutoff. Getting credit for accomplishing "nothing" in a win is a rather slanted viewpoint.

            In the boxing world beating Joe Joyce will mean something.

            The 35 years old isn't the same today as it was in previous decade's. But I missed that part of the information.

            Assuming a boxer's win mean's something if he is 4-5 months younger and under 35 should have no bearing on the quality of the victory. That's just arguing semantics. He doesn't get credit due to a technicality and his win is "deemed" meaningless due to him being 1 month over the cutoff...

            Having the stars align & having a person not only under 35 but at the "exact time they fight" and also in the top 10 IDK about that.

            Joe Joyce is better at his current age than he was at 35, so why should it matter what his age is at the time of "engagement"

            Dillian Whyte is same boxer at 34 or 35 why give or take away any "extra" credit...to fit an argument. I just don't see logic in having an age cut off in today's world. In the past decade's I could see some "value" I suppose. But it's your argument, who am I to say it makes no sense.

            I honestly missed the age of 34 so I was confused. sorry
            - - Whyte be shot as Shyte now.

            Yeah, Joyce better than ever very formidable, but for how long at his age? He'd have a full instead of interim title by now had he not signed with who he signed with.

            I'd even say Joyce may be the best heavy currently now that the division is in clear freefall save for Usyk who ain't long for this crooked sport.

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              #176
              Tyson Fury put an end to the Klitschko era. For that he should always hold a special place in boxing history.

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                #177
                Originally posted by historical boxing society

                How in the world is Dillian Whyte not a top 10 in the year he fought him? He was WBC champion? You're information seems off
                Dillian Whyte was never WBC champion.

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                  #178
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
                  Tyson Fury put an end to the Klitschko era. For that he should always hold a special place in boxing history.
                  - - We already knowed you love drug cheats and mob fighters.

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                    #179
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                    - - We already knowed you love drug cheats and mob fighters.
                    Fury ended Klitschko’s reign and so far remains the best heavyweight of the new crop. It is what it is.

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                      #180
                      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                      Fury ended Klitschko’s reign and so far remains the best heavyweight of the new crop. It is what it is.
                      Lmao....Queenie is such a troll. He can't stand the facts when they don't align to his point of view. He'll make clear exceptions and excuses for Vits, Canelo and whoever else tickles his pickle, but will lambaste anyone he personally dislikes for reasons other than their boxing acumen.

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