Some who've actually seen em' are calling Tyson Fury the best ever.

[Marchegiano]

I dunno.

I think Fury’s legacy, so far; is based on his being the tallest and heaviest excellent boxer ever, and being head & shoulders above a stacked division for 8 years running, going into his 2nd generation of contenders, and these things are only bolstered by the wins over x2 Wilder, the 2nd best of this generation easily, top ranked Whyte, and a reigning champion who was undefeated over 11 years before being completely mastered by Fury. And of course, he's still undefeated. His number of top 10 Scalps is surpassed by several others who are simply less great, possible because scalp counting, while vitally important, is but one factor to measure.

Seen em' fight, watched em' train and feel very confident about what I believe of them:

50 years of heavyweights:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry


Does not compute. I'm not asking to bait an argument, I am just curious. Whatever answer you have is good enough for me because it is your opinion. I colored Tyson in green and then men he beat on your list in green without bold. Evander and his men in red. I'm sure you can glance and guess what I'm going to ask but, just in case, how do you see Tyson and every man he's beaten as higher than Evander when Evander has beaten more on your list, those men are all higher than the Tyson and co on your list, and, Tyson is supported by win from men who have beaten no one else listed while those supporting Evander have wins over others listed themselves. Also, I didn't highlight Bowe because Evander lost more times than won but ... worth mentioning imo.

Just curious.

[Dr. Z]

I dunno.

I think Fury’s legacy, so far; is based on his being the tallest and heaviest excellent boxer ever, and being head & shoulders above a stacked division for 8 years running, going into his 2nd generation of contenders, and these things are only bolstered by the wins over x2 Wilder, the 2nd best of this generation easily, top ranked Whyte, and a reigning champion who was undefeated over 11 years before being completely mastered by Fury. And of course, he's still undefeated. His number of top 10 Scalps is surpassed by several others who are simply less great, possible because scalp counting, while vitally important, is but one factor to measure.

Seen em' fight, watched em' train and feel very confident about what I believe of them:

50 years of heavyweights:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry

Wilder beat who? He has no business being on this list. Fury's only notable win is Wilder and a 39 1/2 year old Wlad. You must be the only person in a historical section that has Fury and Wilder above Holyfield and Vitali Klitschko.

[BKM-]

Yeah, of today's fighters, he is definitely the most spectacular. Sure, there were some great fighters out there too, but Fury really makes the sport fun again.

Unfortunately, turns out he's more like all the others who ruined this once great sport. Not fighting the best opponents possible.

He had a real shot to be something big in this era and he's letting it slip away from him. Could have had 2 instead of 1 Klitschko win, could have beaten Joshua at the peak of his hype, and is now ducking the Usyk fight. A resume of Klitschko and Wilder is below his potential.

[shawnkemp804]

He beat Klitschko and Wilder and was going to fight little Usyk.

How is that cherrypicking?




It was Fury who ended the Klitschko title reign, not Joshua. I don’t know why it hurts you so much but the truth is the truth.

And Joshua has since gone on to lose to both Andy Ruiz and Usyk. Based on that he’s certainly not the best heavyweight of this era.

Lol um as stated Wladimir Klitschko was past his prime. Even then Fury didn't look good. If you are saying Fury beating a old Wlad makes him great then wouldn't Corrie Sanders beating a prime Wladimr making him better? Also Wilder isn't good. He hands picks his opponents and that is why he has a lot knockouts.

[Willow The Wisp]

To me, and probably to anybody being honest, these ascertains about Fury wasting his potential and not honoring the title like he should in the style of Louis, Ali, Holmes, Lewis and Wladimir has justification. But its not as horrible as all that, really. Sure he could do better, and fallout fights against Haye, Ustinov, Joshua, Usyk, etc are frustrating as hell. But Wladimir got managed, even if it was clinical, and one can argue that old Wlad was a more poised fighter than younger Wlad ever was, and wins in the 24 months prior against Povetkin and Pulev, two of his career best opponents, turned up no signs of slippage.
I can't forget how many fans, posters and bloggers were giving Dillian Whyte a huge shot at beating Fury before The Gypsy King delivered his master class. None of this "Whyte is shot" stuff going around BEFORE that title challenge.
You could also make the case easily that 3 Wilders = a Joshua, a Ruiz and an Usyk. Although variety is best and his list of scalps would be far more impressive if he'd gone that later route. Anyway, With Zhilei Zhang's smashing of Juggernaut Joe Joyce, the landscape has changed yet again and it's obvious that these top opponents are moving targets for anyone.
If Fury has the collective fortitude to face down Zhang and any one of Joshua, Joyce, Hrgovic, Usyk and Ruiz before his day is done, I'll say he's dominated his era throughly enough by any reasonable standard.

[QueensburyRules]

To me, and probably to anybody being honest, these ascertains about Fury wasting his potential and not honoring the title like he should in the style of Louis, Ali, Holmes, Lewis and Wladimir has justification. But its not as horrible as all that, really. Sure he could do better, and fallout fights against Haye, Ustinov, Joshua, Usyk, etc are frustrating as hell. But Wladimir got managed, even if it was clinical, and one can argue that old Wlad was a more poised fighter than younger Wlad ever was, and wins in the 24 months prior against Povetkin and Pulev, two of his career best opponents, turned up no signs of slippage.
I can't forget how many fans, posters and bloggers were giving Dillian Whyte a huge shot at beating Fury before The Gypsy King delivered his master class. None of this "Whyte is shot" stuff going around BEFORE that title challenge.
You could also make the case easily that 3 Wilders = a Joshua, a Ruiz and an Usyk. Although variety is best and his list of scalps would be far more impressive if he'd gone that later route. Anyway, With Zhilei Zhang's smashing of Juggernaut Joe Joyce, the landscape has changed yet again and it's obvious that these top opponents are moving targets for anyone.
If Fury has the collective fortitude to face down Zhang and any one of Joshua, Joyce, Hrgovic, Usyk and Ruiz before his day is done, I'll say he's dominated his era throughly enough by any reasonable standard.

- - Blubber had to eat the Shyte of Whyte for as long as it lasted.

Whyte been shot since ancient Povetkin iced him near the forever no return mark of 5 minutes as I elucidated repeatedly.

Yeah, Monkeys running Ring into the ground and his gypsy klan kept Whyte floating when he was clearly a sinker which is why Blubber for all his faults has a good nose for Shyte wanted to fight him...

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Blubber had to eat the Shyte of Whyte for as long as it lasted.

Whyte been shot since ancient Povetkin iced him near the forever no return mark of 5 minutes as I elucidated repeatedly.

Yeah, Monkeys running Ring into the ground and his gypsy klan kept Whyte floating when he was clearly a sinker which is why Blubber for all his faults has a good nose for Shyte wanted to fight him...

Your hypothesis regarding the meaning of Povetkin v Whyte 1 and 2 did not go under the radar; but I vehemently disagree. They, two of the divisional best of that time frame, traded knockouts. Povetkin old but dangerous, an increasingly common condition (as per W. Klitschko, Ortiz, Joyce, Zhang, etc.). Povetkin the greatest Russian heavyweight in history, and Whyte, of course redeemed in fight II. The trading of KOs served only to Bolster Whyte's share value, during his otherwise great run. Tyson Fury's comprehensive drubbing is as good as it gets over a top 5 star.

[Nash out]

Fury is truly the greatest and he will beat Usyk up and some other greats over the next few years. Many more wins and many more charity donations still to come from the Gypsy King, Usyk pretty much admitted that he was the one who ducked. Nash out

[Willie Pep 229]

Fury is truly the greatest and he will beat Usyk up and some other greats over the next few years. Many more wins and many more charity donations still to come from the Gypsy King, Usyk pretty much admitted that he was the one who ducked. Nash out

When?

[Nash out]

Speaking to iD Boxing, Krassyuk said: 'There was a question, most frequently asked question and I want to use this opportunity straight away to say we pulled out of negotiations.

'Team Usyk did that, myself and Egis Klimas we took this decision when we realised and got some proof that the fight is not happening. So the question is off, team Usyk pulled out of negotiations, we initiated that.'

He finished by saying: 'This is very important because some people keep asking on social media, who did that, what happened?, so now it's completely clear, team Usyk pulled the plug out.'

The nonsense about the fight not happening is B.S, Usyk looked for a way out and took it.

Nash out