Rocky vs Sonny Size Matchup

[billeau2]

Harris was a jab and move boxer not a stationary fighter. Here is his fight with Patterson.
Floyd Patterson vs Roy Harris (August 18, 1958) -XIII- - YouTube

Here is Liston v Harris show me where Harris is stationary?

Sonny Liston vs Roy Harris Full Fight In Good Quality and Full Color - YouTube
Harris is in constant movement , but cannot handle Liston's pressure you're an ignorant buffoon!
Challenging Marciano Lastarza had beaten only 3 men of note.Layne, Bucceroni , Brion.
Going in with Liston Harris had only one defeat to the reigning champ Patterson.
He had beaten,Baker,Pastrano,Powell,Bygraves ,Besmanoff,Lavorante.His resume ****s on Lastarza's.

Here is the Liston V Martin fight Liston dominates the early rounds flooring Martin and hurting him a couple of times but in the second half of the fight begins to tire and slow down, in the 9th rd Martin lands TWO right hands to ko Sonny,both excellent punches.
Sonny Liston vs Leotis Martin # Highlights (For vacant NABF heavyweight title) - YouTube
I saw Martin floor , beat up and stop Thad Spencer,he was a very good right hand puncher who killed Sonny Banks.
To make your crass argument you've chosen Liston's split decision defeat when boxing with a broken jaw,a 7 fight novice Liston against a 27 fight defensive cutie. In their 2nd fight Liston floored Marshall multiple times and stopped him
In their 3 rd fight Marshall ran all night content to just survive and didn't win a round . To bolster your spurious claims you then picked a Liston a good 6 years past his prime,an age when Marciano was safely the other side of the ropes in retirement before the young guys started to come to the fore.


The tale of the tape you imbecile, was not for a specific fight it was an approximate of their weights!
For the third time.posting !
1st fight Box Rec official weigh in figures!

Liston 215 1/4lbs Ali 206lbs . Weight advantage to Liston=9 1/4lbs

2nd fight Box rec official weigh in figures.
Liston 218lbs Ali 210 1/2lbs.Weight advantage to Liston= 7 1/2lbs

Do you finally understand that now, or do I have to post the two weigh ins?

There was a general good quality to the men Liston fought... with, as always, exceptions... A lot of Buffoons like le Doctre Z just kind of glance at Box rec and never actually look at Liston's (or Marciano's) fights... it takes too much effort. Better to parrot the narrative.

[Ivich]

There was a general good quality to the men Liston fought... with, as always, exceptions... A lot of Buffoons like le Doctre Z just kind of glance at Box rec and never actually look at Liston's (or Marciano's) fights... it takes too much effort. Better to parrot the narrative.

This fool thinks
Monzon was near his prime when he retired at 35.
The only full middleweight he fought was Benvenuti.
The only puncher he fought was Valdez.
His challengers were all old/ past it,or both,though nearly all were younger than himself!
Ali was bigger than Liston,citing a mock up tale of the tape as proof ,and ignoring the official weigh in stats!
Roy Harris was a stationary fighter.
The 2 punches, [he said 1,]that Martin landed to ko Liston were nothing much.
That Liston busted up easily.
That over six feet 200lbs 76inch reach Leotis Martin and five feet ten and a half 185lbs 68inch reach Marciano were the same size.
That Liston, a good 6 years past his prime, got ko'd by Martin,Marciano would do the same.
That because 7 fight Liston fighting with a broken jaw, lost a split decision to a 27 fight cagey defensive fighter this gives Marciano a good chance of winning.


He is as ignorant as dog**** and when exposed for the muppet he is, disappears because he hasn't the guts to say
I WAS WRONG I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

[Willie Pep 229]

This fool thinks
Monzon was near his prime when he retired at 35.
The only full middleweight he fought was Benvenuti.
The only puncher he fought was Valdez.
His challengers were all old/ past it,or both,though nearly all were younger than himself!
Ali was bigger than Liston,citing a mock up tale of the tape as proof ,and ignoring the official weigh in stats!
Roy Harris was a stationary fighter.
The 2 punches, [he said 1,]that Martin landed to ko Liston were nothing much.
That Liston busted up easily.
That over six feet 200lbs 76inch reach Leotis Martin and five feet ten and a half 185lbs 68inch reach Marciano were the same size.
That Liston, a good 6 years past his prime, got ko'd by Martin,Marciano would do the same.
That because 7 fight Liston fighting with a broken jaw, lost a split decision to a 27 fight cagey defensive fighter this gives Marciano a good chance of winning.


He is as ignorant as dog**** and when exposed for the muppet he is, disappears because he hasn't the guts to say
I WAS WRONG I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Wait . . . Maybe an English-American translation thing but . . . Define "mock up" - because those tale of the tapes I posted are as they were in the newspaper at the time, not altered in any manner.

[billeau2]

This fool thinks
Monzon was near his prime when he retired at 35.
The only full middleweight he fought was Benvenuti.
The only puncher he fought was Valdez.
His challengers were all old/ past it,or both,though nearly all were younger than himself!
Ali was bigger than Liston,citing a mock up tale of the tape as proof ,and ignoring the official weigh in stats!
Roy Harris was a stationary fighter.
The 2 punches, [he said 1,]that Martin landed to ko Liston were nothing much.
That Liston busted up easily.
That over six feet 200lbs 76inch reach Leotis Martin and five feet ten and a half 185lbs 68inch reach Marciano were the same size.
That Liston, a good 6 years past his prime, got ko'd by Martin,Marciano would do the same.
That because 7 fight Liston fighting with a broken jaw, lost a split decision to a 27 fight cagey defensive fighter this gives Marciano a good chance of winning.


He is as ignorant as dog**** and when exposed for the muppet he is, disappears because he hasn't the guts to say
I WAS WRONG I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

He comes back periodically lol. I just don't get it... You can go to Youtube and watch any fight...

[billeau2]

Wait . . . Maybe an English-American translation thing but . . . Define "mock up" - because those tale of the tapes I posted are as they were in the newspaper at the time, not altered in any manner.

Pep,
He is talking about Dr Z, as far as I understand things on the thread.

[Willow The Wisp]

For my 2 cents I've got to go with the prevailing winds here and go with Liston and his commanding advantage in physical equipment and raptor jab against The Rock. Of course, when great fighters fight, great things can happen. In spite of his being one of the shortest, lightest and busted up champion in modern history, Marciano conversely enjoyed near unequaled marks in chin, ruggedness, conditioning, the sheer will to win and P4P power and strength to balance things. Might he have out-toughed Liston over the grueling long hall of a 15 round fight? I concede that far stranger things have happened.

[dreamroom]

People buy into 6' Liston's reach being 84" which is ridiculous.

If Fury fought back then, people would actually believe he was 6'9 for the sake of mythologising him as an old era ATG.

I cannot remember which fight this was in, but it registered Liston's reach as 80.5" on the tale of the tape.

"This video showcases Listons freakish reach, dynamic jab, slick footwork and head movement. And most of all, his crushing power."
At about 3;35 there's a series of jabs that showcase his reach and punishing power.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6e709...I0QTRWbw&ntb=1
Sonny Liston Boxer Stats - BoxStat.co

1. Sonny Liston was 6'1 yet had an 84 inch reach, another …
   
   
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   Aug 14, 2013 · If we use 6'1" as Liston's height, and a wingspan of 84", it gives him a reach/height ratio of 1.151 - the highest of any world champion.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=1f856...VpZ2h0Lg&ntb=1
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=fc08d...A1MDIzLw&ntb=1

[QueensburyRules]

- - 68" reach always amazes. What was Burns reach?

Telling that masters among master boxers Ez, Archie, and JJoe all studied Rocky fights in person before fighting him confident they could be the one to upend him.

Ooops!

[them_apples]

This fool thinks
Monzon was near his prime when he retired at 35.
The only full middleweight he fought was Benvenuti.
The only puncher he fought was Valdez.
His challengers were all old/ past it,or both,though nearly all were younger than himself!
Ali was bigger than Liston,citing a mock up tale of the tape as proof ,and ignoring the official weigh in stats!
Roy Harris was a stationary fighter.
The 2 punches, [he said 1,]that Martin landed to ko Liston were nothing much.
That Liston busted up easily.
That over six feet 200lbs 76inch reach Leotis Martin and five feet ten and a half 185lbs 68inch reach Marciano were the same size.
That Liston, a good 6 years past his prime, got ko'd by Martin,Marciano would do the same.
That because 7 fight Liston fighting with a broken jaw, lost a split decision to a 27 fight cagey defensive fighter this gives Marciano a good chance of winning.


He is as ignorant as dog**** and when exposed for the muppet he is, disappears because he hasn't the guts to say
I WAS WRONG I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Rocky is thick though. 5 ft 10 and 188 with a 68 reach, bones his bones are thick. His calves and wrists. He’s a solid boy. Weight isn’t everything, otherwise 255 lb retired Rocky would have been the GOAT.

even watching the comp fight with Ali you can tell Rocky has some kind of natural strength and hitting power.

if guys like Louis, Walcott and Ali are saying he hit very hard I’m pretty sure he hit hard lol.

[them_apples]

This fight pretty much solely depends on if Rocky can stand his ground and fight inside. Inside he mauls Liston he won’t be able to do anything but push with arms that long and Marcianos being so short. If Liston is able to shove him around and manipulate his balance constantly then Rocky will spend too much time on the outside eating jabs and getting set up for bigger shots.

smaller quicker guys if tough can sometimes be a puzzle to solve. Didn’t a prime Liston fight Machen (somewhere under 200 lbs) and struggle to get rid of him?

this would be a hell of a fight, to be honest for anyone that comes to “**** Rocky up” I think its a good fight. Its the boxers that could exploit him by making him chase them with his short legs. Rocky really couldn’t close the distance very fast. Not even like Frazier or Tyson. I think this is why Rocky used the crouch instead. Getting underneath shots and taking a step in, or luring them to the ropes. rocky was really resourceful.

anyone looking to knock Marciano out or fight with him might be in for a long night. Not only is this Marcianos playground, but you would really have to stop him cold to put an end to him. Hell keep getting up and his recooperation and conditioning were top tier. His best performances happened as soon as he touched down.