Roy Jones was an ATG but he was also a cherry picker

[QueensburyRules]

Watch Dan Duffrey call Marciano-Walcott I -- for 13 rounds he calls the FIGHT in front of him, he mentions the judges only ONCE, saying they probably have Walcott ahead. He says it once in 13 rounds. And he never mentions the silly sounding word "points" or the phrase 'score cards' (not once) - that is just something he'll address only if it is needed at the end - he instead calls the fight and evaluates the the effectiveness of the fighters and isn't impressed with ineffective punches or the number landed.

- - Not to be pedantic but it's Don Dunphy, a bit of an odd name but the best boxing announcer ever. Larry Merchant somewhat adopted his low key approach of not inserting himself into the fight unless it was to elucidate referee actions or some significant action occurring unlike modern announcers who ruin any fight they announce.

Fat Bob was the absolute worst, I mean the fighters' punches combined couldn't come close to matching his word count. I keep modern boxing sound on mute while listening to classical music so I won't be distracted by the sheer idiocy of modern fight production, but I'd listen to any Dunphy broadcast in a heartbeat because he was so good at his job.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Not to be pedantic but it's Don Dunphy, a bit of an odd name but the best boxing announcer ever. Larry Merchant somewhat adopted his low key approach of not inserting himself into the fight unless it was to elucidate referee actions or some significant action occurring unlike modern announcers who ruin any fight they announce.

Fat Bob was the absolute worst, I mean the fighters' punches combined couldn't come close to matching his word count. I keep modern boxing sound on mute while listening to classical music so I won't be distracted by the sheer idiocy of modern fight production, but I'd listen to any Dunphy broadcast in a heartbeat because he was so good at his job.

Thank you - I wrote out of anger/passion and didn't want to stop to go look up the spelling of "Dan Duffrey" (lol) had I, I would have found I had both the familiar and surnames incorrect.

[JAB5239]

Yeah, this isn't how you score a professional fight. Effective punching is how it is scored.

I'm a form believer that an effective punch is the one that derails an opponent from his own attack. Combine that with a sound defense and you've established a superior ring generalship.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm a form believer that an effective punch is the one that derails an opponent from his own attack. Combine that with a sound defense and you've established a superior ring generalship.

Yea and within that logic you can say Leonard outboxed Hagler; you can't say Taylor outboxed Chavez. There is a nuance that is lost in mere punch counting.

[them_apples]

I think Kellerman brought it up, he said it was "who would you rather be coming out of that round"

[JAB5239]

Yea and within that logic you can say Leonard outboxed Hagler; you can't say Taylor outboxed Chavez. There is a nuance that is lost in mere punch counting.

Taylor was stopped, and rightfully so in my opinion. It's not just punch counting, it's effective punching. Obviously Chavez punches were more effective as we can see by the result. But if he hadn't have done so much damage like the Whitaker fight, it would have fallen on who landed more and controlled the fight. At the end of the day a KO trumps all. After that the fight has to be scored by who was the better fighter and landed the most punches.

[Anthony342]

Taylor was stopped, and rightfully so in my opinion. It's not just punch counting, it's effective punching. Obviously Chavez punches were more effective as we can see by the result. But if he hadn't have done so much damage like the Whitaker fight, it would have fallen on who landed more and controlled the fight. At the end of the day a KO trumps all. After that the fight has to be scored by who was the better fighter and landed the most punches.

Exactly. That's what that douche doesn't get. He actually tried to argue that if 1 guy lands 50 punches and the other guy say, only 2 or 3 but harder, the guy who landed the 2 or 3 should win the round. If the punch counts are closer, THEN you could argue effectiveness, but if there's a wider gap, you have to give it to the fighter who landed more or they shouldn't be scoring boxing.

[QueensburyRules]

I think Kellerman brought it up, he said it was "who would you rather be coming out of that round"

- - I'd always prefer to be JC Sr until he got too shopworn to be the Sr of Lore.

[Willie Pep 229]

Exactly. That's what that douche doesn't get. He actually tried to argue that if 1 guy lands 50 punches and the other guy say, only 2 or 3 but harder, the guy who landed the 2 or 3 should win the round. If the punch counts are closer, THEN you could argue effectiveness, but if there's a wider gap, you have to give it to the fighter who landed more or they shouldn't be scoring boxing.

This douche never tried to argue that - that is reductio ad absurdum and not worth a rebuttal - try coming up with a realistic example as I did or has all that make believe wrestling confused you.

'Douche' - lol we're in New Jersey you from?

[Willie Pep 229]

Taylor was stopped, and rightfully so in my opinion. It's not just punch counting, it's effective punching. Obviously Chavez punches were more effective as we can see by the result. But if he hadn't have done so much damage like the Whitaker fight, it would have fallen on who landed more and controlled the fight. At the end of the day a KO trumps all. After that the fight has to be scored by who was the better fighter and landed the most punches.

So you are saying if Taylor didn't get KOed you saw him as the winner of that fight?

Chavez destroyed the man and his career and you think he won the fight?