Roy Jones was an ATG but he was also a cherry picker

[edgarg]

we shouldn't even call it cherry picking anymore, since its obvious "career management" was part of every boxers career. You had to have a good fighter but also a good game plan to get a title shot in the first place.

In 2 of Jones biggest wins, Hopkins and Toney - I sincerely believe he dodged them after beating them. He shoe shined both those wins, aka he dazzled them with his speed and sold it to the judges - but in both fights if you watch blow for blow on effective punching they were actually close fights. Even for Toney, who is often used as a highlight real. I'm convinced Hopkins figured Jones out in the last few rounds of their fight, and it makes sense because Hopkins was considered green.

If Toney and Hopkins had rematches I'm positive it wouldn't have been all green for Jones. Jones dodged them by moving up in weight and fighting bigger but ****tier opponents which in turn sells tickets to the casuals. In reality its the fighter that matters.

In Jones vs Hopkins, Jones never landed anything of note on Hopkins. Nothing that did any real damage, for 12 rounds. If anything Hopkins tagged Jones with fewer but better shots.

Toney vs Jones is clearly toney being arrogant and not being prepared for Jones lightening speed but hopelessly ineffective assault on toney, who looked like he just got out of bed. Even still Toney is often inches away from catching Jones cold throughout the fight. He also landed some good bombs, and if Toney was prepared and came for the title I'm certain he'd kill Jones.

I think...NONSENSE He beat Hopkins well and Hopkins could hardly get a glove on his. He made a complete fool of Toney and won just about every round Toney had never lost, until then, and never again by such a huge margin

Jones dodged nobody least of all thsoe two. He just loved to fight, would fight anyone, and did. and suffered for it in later bouts. I'm surprised at you. You give him all time great on one hand, and cherry picker on the othrr. Sort of schitzophrenic.

[edgarg]

Hopkins was not considered worth 'ducking' back then. Roy moved to 168 in November 94, a month before Hopkins was dropped twice in a draw with Mercado. But Roy somehow knew Hopkins was a future ATG and avoided the rematch nobody wanted to see by moving up?

Toney lost to Jones and then Toney moved up. He never fought at 168 again. So how was it Roy moving up to avoid a rematch with him? In 96 Roy moved up to 175, and 8 months later JT moves up to cruiserweight. So twice Toney left a division Roy had just entered. Where is your timeline coming from?

It's coming from his imagination, so he should, be complimented ...at least on THAT.

[The Old LefHook]

All Time Great talent, but not an ATG fighter.

[Ropss]

All Time Great talent, but not an ATG fighter.

He is a ATG i gues you rate Joe Frazier as a ATG

[QueensburyRules]

I think...NONSENSE He beat Hopkins well and Hopkins could hardly get a glove on his. He made a complete fool of Toney and won just about every round Toney had never lost, until then, and never again by such a huge margin

Jones dodged nobody least of all thsoe two. He just loved to fight, would fight anyone, and did. and suffered for it in later bouts. I'm surprised at you. You give him all time great on one hand, and cherry picker on the othrr. Sort of schitzophrenic.

- - Yup, just a reminder lest they forget.