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  • Roy Jones was an ATG but he was also a cherry picker

    we shouldn't even call it cherry picking anymore, since its obvious "career management" was part of every boxers career. You had to have a good fighter but also a good game plan to get a title shot in the first place.

    In 2 of Jones biggest wins, Hopkins and Toney - I sincerely believe he dodged them after beating them. He shoe shined both those wins, aka he dazzled them with his speed and sold it to the judges - but in both fights if you watch blow for blow on effective punching they were actually close fights. Even for Toney, who is often used as a highlight real. I'm convinced Hopkins figured Jones out in the last few rounds of their fight, and it makes sense because Hopkins was considered green.

    If Toney and Hopkins had rematches I'm positive it wouldn't have been all green for Jones. Jones dodged them by moving up in weight and fighting bigger but ****tier opponents which in turn sells tickets to the casuals. In reality its the fighter that matters.

    In Jones vs Hopkins, Jones never landed anything of note on Hopkins. Nothing that did any real damage, for 12 rounds. If anything Hopkins tagged Jones with fewer but better shots.

    Toney vs Jones is clearly toney being arrogant and not being prepared for Jones lightening speed but hopelessly ineffective assault on toney, who looked like he just got out of bed. Even still Toney is often inches away from catching Jones cold throughout the fight. He also landed some good bombs, and if Toney was prepared and came for the title I'm certain he'd kill Jones.

  • #2
    Originally posted by them_apples View Post
    we shouldn't even call it cherry picking anymore, since its obvious "career management" was part of every boxers career. You had to have a good fighter but also a good game plan to get a title shot in the first place.

    In 2 of Jones biggest wins, Hopkins and Toney - I sincerely believe he dodged them after beating them. He shoe shined both those wins, aka he dazzled them with his speed and sold it to the judges - but in both fights if you watch blow for blow on effective punching they were actually close fights. Even for Toney, who is often used as a highlight real. I'm convinced Hopkins figured Jones out in the last few rounds of their fight, and it makes sense because Hopkins was considered green.

    If Toney and Hopkins had rematches I'm positive it wouldn't have been all green for Jones. Jones dodged them by moving up in weight and fighting bigger but ****tier opponents which in turn sells tickets to the casuals. In reality its the fighter that matters.

    In Jones vs Hopkins, Jones never landed anything of note on Hopkins. Nothing that did any real damage, for 12 rounds. If anything Hopkins tagged Jones with fewer but better shots.

    Toney vs Jones is clearly toney being arrogant and not being prepared for Jones lightening speed but hopelessly ineffective assault on toney, who looked like he just got out of bed. Even still Toney is often inches away from catching Jones cold throughout the fight. He also landed some good bombs, and if Toney was prepared and came for the title I'm certain he'd kill Jones.
    - - Thanks for the comedy.

    Funny how TwoTon and Poppy never fought each other.

    Funnier still how SuperJoe crossed the pond to expose Roy and Poppy in his last two fights.

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    • #3
      Thank you both for the comedy.

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      • #4
        Yeah just pure and utter deluded fantasy on your part.

        James Toney did nothing in his career to suggest he could even win a clear round against Jones, let alone beat him in a fight.

        Why on earth would he rematch him when he totally dominated the fight? If there’s ever an unwarranted rematch, that would have been it.

        The fact of the matter is James Toney isn’t in the same league as Roy Jones. He’s not in the same stratosphere.

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        • #5
          He fought during a crap period with crap mandatory defenses. King still had stroke then and was pushing through tons of mandatories.

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          • #6
            I agree. He accomplished nothing at HW, except beat a long forgotten man, so that's no accomplishment. Outside of that, he ducked Dariusz Michalczewski as he knew he could not beat him. He beat Hopkins, when Hopkins, a late bloomer was pre-prime. Prime Hopkins (Calzaghe also beat prime Hopkins) beat him 12-0 in the rematch. He beat Toney, but who didn't? In his first loss, before the DQ, the so-called unbeatable prime Roy was getting a boxing lesson from B-Level Griffin, another forgotten man, let's be honest.

            Roy Jones was arguably world-class. Maybe top 50 of the last 30 years, but some go on like he was the best ever with elite wins. Very much like Mike Tyson. Overhyped, well-matched, brilliantly sold to the gullible public. Nash out - boxing expert.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nash out View Post
              I agree. He accomplished nothing at HW, except beat a long forgotten man, so that's no accomplishment. Outside of that, he ducked Dariusz Michalczewski as he knew he could not beat him. He beat Hopkins, when Hopkins, a late bloomer was pre-prime. Prime Hopkins (Calzaghe also beat prime Hopkins) beat him 12-0 in the rematch. He beat Toney, but who didn't? In his first loss, before the DQ, the so-called unbeatable prime Roy was getting a boxing lesson from B-Level Griffin, another forgotten man, let's be honest.

              Roy Jones was arguably world-class. Maybe top 50 of the last 30 years, but some go on like he was the best ever with elite wins. Very much like Mike Tyson. Overhyped, well-matched, brilliantly sold to the gullible public. Nash out - boxing expert.
              - - Poppy in traditional prime age when Roy whomped him with one hand after the other was broken early in the fight.

              After Tito, Poppy ducked both Roy and Joe that resulted in a $2mil civil settlement for breaking the contract Dibella had drawn up for him.

              Roy had Griffin KOed early in their first encounter before making the unfortunate mistake of hitting him while he was down.

              Poppy quit the Roy rematch as he did a multitude of fights, not that I would recommend watching such an asinine fight. It never should've seen the halfway point.

              Toney was Ring #1 supermiddle and P4P when Roy made him look like a schoolgirl.

              You're Welcome

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              • #8
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                - - Poppy in traditional prime age when Roy whomped him with one hand after the other was broken early in the fight.

                After Tito, Poppy ducked both Roy and Joe that resulted in a $2mil civil settlement for breaking the contract Dibella had drawn up for him.

                Roy had Griffin KOed early in their first encounter before making the unfortunate mistake of hitting him while he was down.

                Poppy quit the Roy rematch as he did a multitude of fights, not that I would recommend watching such an asinine fight. It never should've seen the halfway point.

                Toney was Ring #1 supermiddle and P4P when Roy made him look like a schoolgirl.

                You're Welcome
                I would not call Round 9, early in the fight! As stated, B-level Griffin gave the unbeatable prime Roy a boxing lesson for the whole fight. That Roy choose to hit him on the ground, due to frustration of being shown-up for his lack of skill, is his own fault. Griffin showed that night that Roy's skills were overhyped, and were much less than his own. Sure, Roy deserves a bit of credit for catching Griffin cold in the rematch. Nash out.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                  - - Poppy in traditional prime age when Roy whomped him with one hand after the other was broken early in the fight.

                  After Tito, Poppy ducked both Roy and Joe that resulted in a $2mil civil settlement for breaking the contract Dibella had drawn up for him.

                  Roy had Griffin KOed early in their first encounter before making the unfortunate mistake of hitting him while he was down.

                  Poppy quit the Roy rematch as he did a multitude of fights, not that I would recommend watching such an asinine fight. It never should've seen the halfway point.

                  Toney was Ring #1 supermiddle and P4P when Roy made him look like a schoolgirl.

                  You're Welcome
                  You keep going on about some 2 million settlement. It was NOT for breaking any contract and I've proven that time and again. Why do you insist on lying about this all the time? I've produced links and the court case itself in other threads, while you have shown nothing. I don't personally care what fighters you like or dislike, but please stop lying. It's unbecoming of a man your age.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                    You keep going on about some 2 million settlement. It was NOT for breaking any contract and I've proven that time and again. Why do you insist on lying about this all the time? I've produced links and the court case itself in other threads, while you have shown nothing. I don't personally care what fighters you like or dislike, but please stop lying. It's unbecoming of a man your age.
                    - - U ain't proved squat other than pulling non related miscellaneous junk out of space and trying to apply it to what I stated, ie proof here that Poppy never paid Dibella a 2mil civil settlement :
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                    https://www.food.com/recipe/grandmas...o-salad-305107

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