Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

[stefjonno1]

Prime Tyson would have taken Lennox 2 out of 3 in my opinion. Someone that fast and hard hitting dosen't go well with Lennox's glass jaw.

Glass jaw my ass! that ****s dumb. Rahman nailed him with a shot that would just about KO anyone. MCcall also hit him with a good shot, but i thought it was premature to stop the fight. Guys like tyson bowe mercer holyfield tucker tested his chin! Get real.

[res]

Glass jaw my ass! that ****s dumb. Rahman nailed him with a shot that would just about KO anyone. MCcall also hit him with a good shot, but i thought it was premature to stop the fight. Guys like tyson bowe mercer holyfield tucker tested his chin! Get real.

Mike Tyson tested him? lol.


And are you talking about the 88' head gear wearing olympic bout with a smaller pre-prime Rid**** Bowe?

He took a few shots from Mercer though, but he more often than not simply avoided by quickness or clinching what Mercer had to offer.

[stefjonno1]

Mike Tyson tested him? lol.

He tried an failed.

And are you talking about the 88' head gear wearing olympic bout with a smaller pre-prime Rid**** Bowe?

Obviously, unless you know of another time they fought?

Oh right Bowe was smaller, thats the excuse. So if chicken bowe had the bottle to get in the ring with him in the pros what would the excuse be then? Cuz lets be honest, regardless you'd have one.

He took a few shots from Mercer though, but he more often than not simply avoided by quickness or clinching what Mercer had to offer.

Well for a glass jawed bum like you seem to be making out he was, he certainly seemed to have a very good career.

[The Iron Man]

I'm sorry but THIS post is terrible. Why is it idiotic to use Lewis as an example of why Tyson sucks? Lewis was OLDER THAN TYSON when they stepped into the ring. Tyson's fights with Evander and Lewis were carbon copies of his loss to Douglas, proving he was a moron incapable of learning anything from his previous fights.

And in terms of successful power punchers, I don't have a problem rating Marciano and Tyson tops. Marciano was an undefeated champ who many consider the pound for pound hardest puncher ever, and Tyson (as much as I loathe him) cleaned out one of the most useless heavyweight divisions ever.

Tyson was shot at that stage, Lewis was possibly in the best shape of his career. He was under the management of a brilliant trainer and had all the tools to take out a finished Tyson. That's why its ridiculous to use that as an example as to why Tyson "******". Prime is different to age.

I think you misunderstood the post. I ranked the power punches on what they accomplished, not how hard they hit.

Ok for that i apologise, even though i still disagree with Marciano being top but that's your opinion.

And I stand by my decision to use Tyson's opponents as examples of his worth. You Tyson nuthuggers make me laugh, trying to justify away why your man took such a beating from both good and mediocre opposition alike. The man was a big fish in a small pond, and when he entered the lake he got devoured by bigger fish. Simple as that.

Ok firstly if you have seen any of my other posts in BS you would know i am not a Tyson "nuthugger" but simply a Tyson fan, i don't think his immortal or the greatest boxer/heavyweight.
I still don't see a good reason to use those opponents apart from Holyfield, he had Tysons number just like Foreman had Fraziers but Frazier is no worse because of losing to a great fighter, and neither is Tyson for losing to an even greater fighter. But the Lewis, McBride and Williams losses are totally different this was not Tyson at his best, anywhere near his best for that matter. Berbick is a mediocre opponent and Ali lost to him, you don't see people throwing that around and saying Ali "******" and rightfully so. Holmes lost to Nielsen and McCall these again are not used against him. I think its just foolish to use those losses against Tyson.

[Kid McCoy]

I'm sorry but THIS post is terrible. Why is it idiotic to use Lewis as an example of why Tyson sucks? Lewis was OLDER THAN TYSON when they stepped into the ring. Tyson's fights with Evander and Lewis were carbon copies of his loss to Douglas, proving he was a moron incapable of learning anything from his previous fights.

That makes no sense. Bernard Hopkins is four years older than Roy Jones but who is more shot? Tyson was 35-0 and undisputed heavyweight champion of the world before Lewis ever set foot in a pro ring. By the time they finally met Tyson's body had a lot more wear and tear than Lewis', including almost four years of being unable to hone his skills at all, which pretty much finished him as an elite fighter.

Going into the Holyfield fight, Tyson had had less than ten rounds of boxing in five years, all of them blowout wins against limited competition. During his comeback he was a shell of his former self, little more than a traveling freak show. Judge him by his prime. Nobody claims Ali was no good because he lost to Leon Spinks at age 36.

[them_apples]

Tyson was shot at that stage, Lewis was possibly in the best shape of his career. He was under the management of a brilliant trainer and had all the tools to take out a finished Tyson. That's why its ridiculous to use that as an example as to why Tyson "******". Prime is different to age.



Ok for that i apologise, even though i still disagree with Marciano being top but that's your opinion.



Ok firstly if you have seen any of my other posts in BS you would know i am not a Tyson "nuthugger" but simply a Tyson fan, i don't think his immortal or the greatest boxer/heavyweight.
I still don't see a good reason to use those opponents apart from Holyfield, he had Tysons number just like Foreman had Fraziers but Frazier is no worse because of losing to a great fighter, and neither is Tyson for losing to an even greater fighter. But the Lewis, McBride and Williams losses are totally different this was not Tyson at his best, anywhere near his best for that matter. Berbick is a mediocre opponent and Ali lost to him, you don't see people throwing that around and saying Ali "******" and rightfully so. Holmes lost to Nielsen and McCall these again are not used against him. I think its just foolish to use those losses against Tyson.

good post.

I have Tyson beating Lewis prime for prime, I think he would be to fast, the fact that Lewis would fight on the back foot and not smother him makes me think all the more why He'd lose. He wupped a washed up Tyson and caught him with shots a Prime Mike would have easily avoided or countered.

Prime Holyfield beats them both IMO. Not discrediting Lewis, he just came at a time when some really great heavyweights were winding down their Careers. He's still on the heavyweight ATG list though IMO.

[Knighte]

Tyson was a vastly overrated fraud and mental defective, both prime Lewis and prime Evander woulda schooled him (just as they did as old men), even a mediocre fighter like Buster Douglas was able to make Tyson look horrible, ok ok Tyson had fast hands and a great punch, you guys are insane, I'm out for now, take care, ciao

[xEDDIEx]

tyson would have ko'd holyfield in his prime

[PLATE]

Holyfield all the way baby, just a more complete fighter.

you got it baby

[them_apples]

Tyson was a vastly overrated fraud and mental defective, both prime Lewis and prime Evander woulda schooled him (just as they did as old men), even a mediocre fighter like Buster Douglas was able to make Tyson look horrible, ok ok Tyson had fast hands and a great punch, you guys are insane, I'm out for now, take care, ciao

you are delusional, if he ****** that bad Spinks and Holmes would have crushed him.

If you are going to say Holmes was past it, then Ray Mercer must suck even more. Holyfield sucks too, for not being able to finnish Holmes. *sarcasm*

He belongs right up there in that trio, with Holyfield in his Prime being the best