Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

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I don't think it was so much Foreman's reach advantage, Frazier's entire career was based around getting inside someones reach. I think it was Foreman's world class uppercut and refusal to back up, even when hit flush.

Frazier to me didn't seem to have any problems with connecting to Georges jaw, only problem is, Foreman didn't have any problem with that ether.

For me personally, he 8 times out of 10 would not handle the early blitz. Out of the 5 rounds that Tyson is effective, I can't see Frazier not getting hurt at least once, once he gets hurt I see him getting finished(one of the things Tyson was actually quite good at).

Of course if it did go into the later rounds, It's Fraziers ball game. In my opinion though, it wouldn't.

sry for the off topic though

Yeah Frazier was an inside fighter anyway, it's not like he is going to be backing up keeping Tyson at the end of a jab or something. He wants to be inside firing tight left hooks. Another problem Frazier has is that he usually starts slow. Tyson on the other hand is the complete opposite. Add on top of that the fact that Tyson has two dangerous hands instead of one and can in general throw punches faster than Frazier and it just dosen't look good for him.

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Mike

Mike Tyson in hes prime was better then the best of Evander Holyfield.

Remember that Tyson had been in prison 3 and a half year and faught nobodies before he met a good shape Holyfield.

Tyson was a bigger puncher and had a great chin. Holyfield struggeled with alot of ordinary fighters in hes career wich Tyson beat very easily. i dont understand how anyone can say Holyfield if you think about Tyson in the 80s. Just look at how Larry Holmes faught them

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Holyfield is the better fighter. He beat better competition as well as defeated tyson twice

** Indeedy, sweetie, let's examine the myth of UnHoly.

1. UH steals the Tyson unified title away from King against out of shape Douglas who was clearly looking for a payday and retirement. Tyson against a prime, well experienced Berbick in shape at his best. Advantage, Tyson.

2. UH defends 40+ Foreman where UH was rocked early and hanging on for dear life late. Tyson was unifying against "prime" Bonecrush who was hanging on for dear life all through save the last 30 sec where he surprises Tyson with a sucker punch out of a clinch but can't follow up, dropping a wide decision. Advantage Tyson.

3. UH defends against Cooper who had been soundly defeated by most every heavy with class he ever faced. Cooper almost finishes UH off before running out of steam and being KOed. Tyson defends against once defeated former champ and formidable prime physical speciman. Took a major beatdown by Mike on the tough Pinklon, but mission accomplished. Advantage Tyson.

4. UH defends against former champ Holmes in his 2nd comeback years later and is out fought on the ropes at times and out of gas and clueless for much of the decision he was fortunate to nick. Tyson is unifying against a top era champ/contender, also undefeated who makes a good show early but has to back off mid rounds as he assumes the Ali pop the jab and fleets the feet strategy to lose a wide decision against Mike who was out jabbing the taller master jabber. Advantage Tyson.

5. UH defends against the era Baby Huey and is outboxed, out slugged, and out worked in most every phase by the undefeated slug and drops his title. Tyson defends against the undefeated superheavy Olympic Gold Medalist who set Lennox Lewis back several grades. Biggs was a bigger, stronger, version of prime run and pop Ali, so Tyson cut him off his escape routes and unmercifully chopped him down in short order. Advantage Tyson.

6. UH nicks a majority decision against Baby Huey who showed up looking a lumpy mess and regains his title. Tyson defends against the former still claiming to be undefeated champ, Holmes and dismisses him as easily as a child. Advantage Tyson.

7. UH promptly reverts back to being flushable against the newest undefeated, former LH champ to outbox and confuse a heavy champ, Moorer, who takes UH's title again. Meanwhile, prime Tyson blows out former champ Tubbs like a birthday candle. Advantage, Tyson.

8. In an odd, opportune juxtaposition of eras, UH has an opportunity to wrest the WBA bauble over the rusty returning newly crowned former champ. Wins by TKO in a great fight marred by ongoing steroid accusations. Prime Tyson meanwhile completes his 4th and final unification bout against the undefeated "Lineal" champ, Spinks, whom he dismisses as easily as a baby might be put in his crib for a nap. Advantage Tyson.

9. UH defends against Tyson who melts down after repeated early unpenalized head butts and bites off some of UH's ear and is DQed in a disgracefully fought and officiated fight. Tyson, coming off a brutal divorce settlement and attempted suicide attempt and dismissal of the surviving members of his original team, dismisses British Champ Bruno in a good slug out. Advantage Tyson.

10. UH avenges his defeat against the former LH champ, now 2x heavy champ Moorer with a KO. Tyson whacks out era contender Truth Williams in a blink. Advantage UH.

11. UH defends against the "other" Bean of the era, the forgettable Vaughn. Tyson defends against former contender Douglas who shows up in the best shape of his career, and thanks to another greatest era robbery via long count, survives to knock down and out a strangely lethargic Tyson who slept walked through the entire bout save for a single lucky shot that downed Douglas for the long count. Advantage, UH.

12. UH attempts his first unification bout against Lewis, and barely shows at the gate in one of the great era robberies of boxing, but keeps his belt with a draw. A ring rusty Tyson is coming off a 5 yr layoff to take newly crowned Bruno's title away in another good slugout. Advantage Tyson.

13. UH attempts his 2nd unification against Lewis, who this time is rewarded for his superior boxing skills and takes UH's title away for the 3rd time in his career. Tyson blows out Seldon in a match so one sided cries of fix rang out in the crowd. Advantage Tyson.

14. UH attempts to win his record 4th title in a WBA series against Ruiz, outpoints Juanita over 12 dreary rounds.Tyson never won another title fight after his "lucky" 13th title bout, dropping 3 straight Advantage UH.

15. UH marks up his record with an 0-4-1 finish to set the all time heavy record for titles lost. Advantage Tyson.

Final record, Tyson 12 - UH 3

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Evander would have Beat Tyson in his prime, He knew how to Beat Mike, And when people say that Tyson wasnt the same, Well Evander wasnt in his prime either, but he still could handle Tyson, Tyson was a great fighter, if the other guy was nervous or scared, But Evander had his number, Prime and No Prime

I was gonna post the exact same thing.. Evander anyday.

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Mike Tyson in hes prime was better then the best of Evander Holyfield.

Remember that Tyson had been in prison 3 and a half year and faught nobodies before he met a good shape Holyfield.

Tyson was a bigger puncher and had a great chin. Holyfield struggeled with alot of ordinary fighters in hes career wich Tyson beat very easily. i dont understand how anyone can say Holyfield if you think about Tyson in the 80s. Just look at how Larry Holmes faught them

Tyson could take post-prime Holmes out because of one word: power. Holyfield didn't have that kind of power other wise you would have seen the same result in his fight with Holmes. Does that mean that Tyson can beat Holyfield? Tyson had pretty much that same power when he fought Holyfield later (power is one of the last things to go in a fighter).

The only real variable for Prime Tyson to take advantage of is speed, but speed really wouldn't help too much If Holyfield was implementing the plan that he used to beat Tyson in their actual fight. Only out thinking him and reversing that strategy somehow would. Speed isn't as effective deep on the inside, especially when your opponent has his guard ready to fend off your attack because that is his plan.

Oh and By the way, Tyson also fought a Holmes coming off a two year lay off with no tune up fights.

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Oh and By the way, Tyson also fought a Holmes coming off a two year lay off with no tune up fights.

** Oh, and by the way, Tyson also fought a Holmes who had been stalking and scouting him at fights, and training for just him for over a yr.

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Yeah Frazier was an inside fighter anyway, it's not like he is going to be backing up keeping Tyson at the end of a jab or something. He wants to be inside firing tight left hooks. Another problem Frazier has is that he usually starts slow. Tyson on the other hand is the complete opposite. Add on top of that the fact that Tyson has two dangerous hands instead of one and can in general throw punches faster than Frazier and it just dosen't look good for him.

personally i think frazier would win, unless the ref stopped it. people remmember that foreman knocked frazier down like 14 times or some ****, but they often 4get that frazier got up EVERY time, if he makes it past round 5, then he wins.

now....... if tyson fought evander when tyson was prime, around 1986-1989, then i think tyson would win. evander wouldnt be fast enough to get away from tyson, and back then evander had a habit of trading punches when in bad spots. if there is 10 seconds where tyson and holy are mixing it up, its pretty obvious who would be knocked into the 5th row.

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Both better than Lennox Lewis