Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

[Kid McCoy]

well u convinced me them apples Tyson was an all time great. He dominated everyone in his fights with his awesome skill, no one could break through his inpenetratable defense, he showed the heart of a great champion, he was always sportsmanlike (especially in the second Holyfield fight), he was dominating guys like Buster Douglas (and Holy, and Lewis, and williams, and mcBride) before he happened to get caught with a lucky punch, he was totally washed up by the end of his 20s, lewis was just too young for him, the skill level he exhibited against guys like Matthis Jr. and Botha was AWESOME, he never ran from Lewis in the 80s, he only fought the best competition in the greatest era while Lewis and Holy fought bums, he set a shining example of courage and heart for youngsters everywhere to emulate, historians in the future will marvel at the greatness that was Mike Tyson



LOL LOL LOL

For every Tyson "nuthugger" there are about half a dozen others whose hatred for him clouds all logic and reason, resulting in childish, throwing-the-toys-out-of the-pram posts like yours. The triple LOL at the end was an especially mature touch.

Btw, very good and fair post Poet. I'd give you some karma but apparently I have to spread some around first.

[PLATE]

Well, if the poll is anything to go by the vast majority of fight fans consider Evander Holyfield the better fighter.. the silent majority have spoken!

But what's to compare when u really think about it? Evander is as versatile in the ring as a Swiss pocketknife while Tyson is just a power puncher with fast hands.

[hitman2000]

evander is a great fighter for me than tyson.... hello guys just droppin by im newbie here...

[The Iron Man]

Well, if the poll is anything to go by the vast majority of fight fans consider Evander Holyfield the better fighter.. the silent majority have spoken!

But what's to compare when u really think about it? Evander is as versatile in the ring as a Swiss pocketknife while Tyson is just a power puncher with fast hands.

Personally i find to difficult to pick out who was the "greater" fighter, there are so many ways you can judge this. That's why i haven't voted on this poll, i just hate seeing all the Tyson haters gather together and say things that are completely false.

[StarshipTrooper]

Nice post man, i totally agree although i do consider Tyson an ATG. It is very hard to defend Tyson without being labelled a "nuthugger", believe me i get just as annoyed when they make outrageous claims about Tyson, in fact it has the adverse effect and people dislike Tyson because of it!.

And that was my point entirely. The nuthugging crowd invariably cause a backlash against Tyson through their slavish pronouncments. It's not fair to Tyson because he ends up being judged in light of his loony KoolAid drinkers.

There's plenty of strong points Tyson can be praised for without making them up the way the nuthuggers do. By the same token there are plenty of points where Tyson can be fairly criticized without making things up the way the Tyson bashers do. I don't think it does either side any credit when they have to resort to falsehood to make their case.

I DO like to torment the nuthugging crowd, but my critiques of Tyson have never involved making stuff up about him: I have limited myself to showing that he really CAN'T walk on water or part the Red Sea and that he wasn't even close to being the best Heavyweight ever. I have never said, whether explicetly or implied, that he was a "bum": And I never will because it is demonstably untrue! As I said, there is plenty of room for critizing Tyson's over-all ability without having to fabricate things just as there is plenty of room for praise without resorting to the same.

Poet

[res]

He tried an failed.

Umm, we were talking about "trying" Lennox's chin, not "trying" to beat him.

Oh right Bowe was smaller, thats the excuse.

The whole conversation was about lewis' chin so ofcourse Bowe's size is an issue! The point is, saying that Lewis took shots from Bowe in a manner that suggests that it was a normal sized Bowe in his technical prime (without a bunch of head gear on Lewis) is misleading.

Lewis even had trouble with a slow ponderous Trevor Berbick, he would have a whole lot more with a quick, hard hitting prime Tyson. Like i said, I give Tyson 2 out of three.

[res]

Umm, we were talking about "trying" Lennox's chin, not "trying" to beat him.










The whole conversation was about lewis' chin so ofcourse Bowe's size is an issue! The point is, saying that Lewis took shots from Bowe in a manner that suggests that it was a normal sized Bowe in his technical prime (without a bunch of head gear on Lewis) is misleading.

Lewis even had trouble with a slow ponderous Trevor Berbick, he would have a whole lot more with a quick, hard hitting prime Tyson. Like i said, I give Tyson 2 out of three.

lol Wow, i should check these posts before I submit them. Make that Frank Bruno, not Trevor Berbick.

[MarkScott]

It Tyson had fought him earlier when he was still with Cus D'amato, I think the result may have been different.

[3_Hooks]

you were told the worst thing to do is retreat??

i came, i saw, i conquered.

[3_Hooks]

holyfield would be game, but tyson was just the all around better fighter. it wasn't like holyfield was very hard to hit and rid**** bowe rocked him multiple times in their fights. i also don't think holyfield would try to circle tyson, i think he' come at him which would be a big mistake.