Tyson vs Holyfield - who of them is better fighter?

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

I'm one of the biggest Tyson fans alive but i can say this...if a prime Tyson was in absolute perfect shape he would have about 6 rounds(maybe) to take care of a prime holyfield. After that, Commander Vander would cruise to a UD or eventually a KO. Tyson was a beast in his prime but Holyfield was something else...like a relentless terminator or something of that nature...he would just walk through everything you had and keep coming. sick nasty

[stefjonno1]

Its funny to me how we all discuss things like, who would have won outta ali-marciano frazier-tyson dempsey-louis, yet holyfield-tyson did fight twice and some still wonder who was the best fighter! Although i understand the prime v prime question, even though some seem to forget holyfield like tyson was also way past his best.


Holyfield was imo the better fighter, thats why he beat him twice.

[PLATE]

hard to say, the Holyfield that fought Foreman was a beast though, in superb shape. Styles make fights, I think holy has Tysons number. Sure Tyson wasn't at his best, but either was Evander.

i'm going with Evander. I'd pick a Prime Evander over a Prime Lewis to.

After what Lewis did to Holy, you'd pick Holy over him?

[them_apples]

After what Lewis did to Holy, you'd pick Holy over him?

in 1999 holy was in no way shape or form in his prime, Lewis was.

Holyfield that fought Holmes, Foreman and Cooper? Easily Holyfield. He was quicker, had immense stamina and his legendary chin. I can't see how Lewis would beat him.

i might even pick a Prime Tyson to beat Lewis. Styles make fights and Lewis seemed to fight those guys right at the end.

[Kid McCoy]

in 1999 holy was in no way shape or form in his prime, Lewis was.

Holyfield that fought Holmes, Foreman and Cooper? Easily Holyfield. He was quicker, had immense stamina and his legendary chin. I can't see how Lewis would beat him.

i might even pick a Prime Tyson to beat Lewis. Styles make fights and Lewis seemed to fight those guys right at the end.

Lewis is only three years younger than Holyfield and was 34 by their second fight - no spring chicken either.

I disagree that an earlier version of Holyfield would beat Lewis "easily". Imo Lewis would be a hard fight for any version of Holyfield, who proved to be beatable throughout his career at heavyweight. Bowe beat him twice, Moorer beat him, and he struggled more with Foreman, Holmes and Cooper than he should have.

Personally, I would back a prime Tyson to beat both Holyfield and Lewis.

[PLATE]

I was with you right up to the last line of your post.

Prime Lewis and Prime Evander ****ing feed it to 'prime' Tyson, whenever that prime was supposed to have been. If you happened to blink back in the late Eighties you might have missed it !

And Tyson was smarter than you guys, he knew Lewis (who was older than him but annihilated him anyways) would give him a beatdown. Why do you think he paid Lewis' camp millions back in the day so he could fight Seldon instead?

[res]

I was with you right up to the last line of your post.

Prime Lewis and Prime Evander ****ing feed it to 'prime' Tyson, whenever that prime was supposed to have been. If you happened to blink back in the late Eighties you might have missed it !

And Tyson was smarter than you guys, he knew Lewis (who was older than him but annihilated him anyways) would give him a beatdown. Why do you think he paid Lewis' camp millions back in the day so he could fight Seldon instead?

Holyfeild takes it prime for prime with Tyson. The Holyfield that fought Foreman would have atleast UD'ed him if not TKO'ed him.


Prime Tyson would have taken Lennox 2 out of 3 in my opinion. Someone that fast and hard hitting dosen't go well with Lennox's glass jaw.

Plate, the reality is, whether we like it or not, individual human psyches don't follow rules. You can't lay down general rules and then demand that every individual human life follow them. Tyson was a fragile child-like psyche that lost his only reason for fighting (His trainer, surrogate father and only parental figure, Cus D'amato). Sometimes in life potential just goes unfufilled because of circumstances, that is a fact. Now I totally understand you arguing against Tyson nuthuggers that represent that unfufilled potential as something that would have been able to overcome anyone if it had just been fufilled, but I think it is careless to just think that all the guy ever was was some big fellow that scared people and hit hard. Also, the argument from unfufilled promise is not just based on Wins and Losses. All you have to do is look at his fighting style, it is clearly not the same in his later fights. Infact, you can even see it in bouts like the Bruno fight where he was victorious.

[PLATE]

OK Res, I respect what you said and I'll shut up now. Believe it or not, I was once a HUGE Tyson fan and still have a scrapbook containing clippings from almost all his early fights, up to about Botha.

He still ranks as the most exciting fighter of all time, I'll give you that

[NakiFan]

Holyfield all the way baby, just a more complete fighter.

[Knighte]

Holyfield all the way baby, just a more complete fighter.

Is there any doubting this statement?

I mean really