Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[travestyny]

Wills ducked Tunney. He was also a dirty fighter, he was DQ’d at least three times in his career when the going got tough. Including a DQ loss to Dempsey’s sparring partner in ‘22 and a draw to him in his next fight. He wasn’t beating anyone noteworthy to earn a shot from ‘22 and on.

Then why was the public asking for that fight since '22 and on?

[GhostofDempsey]

Then why was the public asking for that fight since '22 and on?

Morbid curiosity? War of the races? Promoters and newspapers wanting it for money and selling papers. He was struggling with Dempsey’s sparring partners and leftovers from ‘22 on. Ducked Tunney, got blown out by Sharkey until he DQ’d himself.

The public was asking Johnson to put his title on the line against Langford, Jeannette and McVey, he never did. He took $1k to struggle against Battling Jim in a lousy fight that ended in a draw…rather than accept a $20K offer from Jeannette.

[travestyny]

Morbid curiosity? War of the races? Promoters and newspapers wanting it for money and selling papers. He was struggling with Dempsey’s sparring partners and leftovers from ‘22 on. Ducked Tunney, got blown out by Sharkey until he DQ’d himself.

The public was asking Johnson to put his title on the line against Langford, Jeannette and McVey, he never did. He took $1k to struggle against Battling Jim in a lousy fight that ended in a draw…rather than accept a $20K offer from Jeannette.

Ok. So morbid curiosity, war of the races. Promoters and newspapers.

They all wanted it more than anyone else. Tell me who had a better resume at Heavy. Feel free to include Dempsey.


Matter of fact, tell me why Dempsey said Wills was the only man he wanted to face since he became champion. Sounds like he's contradicting your stance. Of course, he also admit that Wills was a great fighter that would beat the best of them...but that was in his statement when he was taking the safe route and drawing the color line.


Johnson not only agreed to fight those guys, but he actually did fight them.

[Willie Pep 229]

I only see questions. Wasn't putting anything in your mouth.


Pretty sure Johnson did accept the consequences. Don't know what that has to do with Black people in general or other Black fighters.

Are you holding Black fighters to a standard that you won't hold White fighters to?

No, the world at the time was! What a silly question.



What the hell are you talking about? Chose himself over his community? lol. Since when does anyone have to choose between themselves and their community? What is with you and this double standard that you are holding against Black fighters, hmmm? Or maybe specifically against JJohnson.


Sure. How about Sugar Ray Robinson. The Goat.

You are joking with this right? The list of Black men and women who chose their community over themselves is a long one, filled with great men and women who made great sacrifice.

Unfortionaly JJ thought p ussy more important.

Please your trap questions are so obvious that we laugh at them when you try to twist the world to your agenda.

"I only see questions" what a con artist you try to be.

[GhostofDempsey]

Ok. So morbid curiosity, war of the races. Promoters and newspapers.

They all wanted it more than anyone else. Tell me who had a better resume at Heavy. Feel free to include Dempsey.


Matter of fact, tell me why Dempsey said Wills was the only man he wanted to face since he became champion. Sounds like he's contradicting your stance. Of course, he also admit that Wills was a great fighter that would beat the best of them...but that was in his statement when he was taking the safe route and drawing the color line.


Johnson not only agreed to fight those guys, but he actually did fight them.

Dempsey fought the man that Wills ducked. Wills didn’t beat anyone of significance from ‘22 and on unless you count Firpo, who Dempsey KO’d the year prior. Tunney had a better resume in ‘24/‘25.

Johnson fought them when they were novices. Not the same. Once he was champion and they were in their prime he ducked them like a clown at a pie throwing contest.

[travestyny]

Dempsey fought the man that Wills ducked. Wills didn’t beat anyone of significance from ‘22 and on unless you count Firpo, who Dempsey KO’d the year prior. Tunney had a better resume in ‘24/‘25.

Johnson fought them when they were novices. Not the same. Once he was champion and they were in their prime he ducked them like a clown at a pie throwing contest.

It was a simple question. Just because you claim he ducked Tunney doesn't make it true.


Who had a better resume, including Dempsey.


Johnson signed on to fight them and the fights were pulled through no fault of his own. I'm sure you know this by now. But I still want to hear who had a better resume than Wills. Again, including Dempsey.

[GhostofDempsey]

It was a simple question. Just because you claim he ducked Tunney doesn't make it true.


Who had a better resume, including Dempsey.


Johnson signed on to fight them and the fights were pulled through no fault of his own. I'm sure you know this by now. But I still want to hear who had a better resume than Wills. Again, including Dempsey.

Wills ducked Tunney, it’s documented. He got worked over by Sharkey and disqualified himself to avoid the knockout, it would be one of 3 disqualification losses he suffered whenever things got to hot for him. Getting KTFO by Uzcudun was the most telling of all indicators that he would not have stood a chance with Dempsey.

Johnson ducked them as champion. Often moving goal posts to avoid them at all costs. Changing terms and demanding more and more money. He priced himself out knowing they couldn’t or wouldn’t meet his terms. Disgraceful to do that to his own race, but at least he admitted he was drawing the color line. I’ll give him that.

[travestyny]

Wills ducked Tunney, it’s documented. He got worked over by Sharkey and disqualified himself to avoid the knockout, it would be one of 3 disqualification losses he suffered whenever things got to hot for him. Getting KTFO by Uzcudun was the most telling of all indicators that he would not have stood a chance with Dempsey.

Johnson ducked them as champion. Often moving goal posts to avoid them at all costs. Changing terms and demanding more and more money. He priced himself out knowing they couldn’t or wouldn’t meet his terms. Disgraceful to do that to his own race, but at least he admitted he was drawing the color line. I’ll give him that.

If it's documented why is there documentation of Tunney turning down the fight that you blatantly ignore?


You keep bringing up these loses and you seem to forget that Dempsey lost in the same year before him. Also needed a low blow to beat dude. We discovered that right here in the history section. Too bad you didn't participate in that discussion because it was fun,


So again, who had a better resume than Harry Wills? Certainly not Dempsey himself.


Johnson accepting the fights has already been proven here satisfactorily. Just because you are emotional about Dempsey ducking Wills doesn't change when the cold hard evidence is presented. I suppose that's why you get so upset. The cold hard evidence is never on your side, now is it?

[travestyny]

Wills ducked Tunney, it’s documented. He got worked over by Sharkey and disqualified himself to avoid the knockout, it would be one of 3 disqualification losses he suffered whenever things got to hot for him. Getting KTFO by Uzcudun was the most telling of all indicators that he would not have stood a chance with Dempsey.

Johnson ducked them as champion. Often moving goal posts to avoid them at all costs. Changing terms and demanding more and more money. He priced himself out knowing they couldn’t or wouldn’t meet his terms. Disgraceful to do that to his own race, but at least he admitted he was drawing the color line. I’ll give him that.

Oh...and I have to add.

Wills beat John Lester Johnson three times. The John Lester Johnson that broke three of Dempsey's ribs and made him never want to fight Black men again.

And that's not only my opinion. Others from as far back as when these events happened wrote the same exact thing. Because it aint hard to tell.

[GhostofDempsey]

If it's documented why is there documentation of Tunney turning down the fight that you blatantly ignore?


You keep bringing up these loses and you seem to forget that Dempsey lost in the same year before him. Also needed a low blow to beat dude. We discovered that right here in the history section. Too bad you didn't participate in that discussion because it was fun,


So again, who had a better resume than Harry Wills? Certainly not Dempsey himself.


Johnson accepting the fights has already been proven here satisfactorily. Just because you are emotional about Dempsey ducking Wills doesn't change when the cold hard evidence is presented. I suppose that's why you get so upset. The cold hard evidence is never on your side, now is it?

I don’t participate in every one of your delusional “discussions”. They are redundant and boring. Circle jerks.

Johnson went down in history as the champion who drew the color line against the best black fighters of his title reign. All your whining and denial won’t change that. $1k for Battling Jim, lol.