Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[QueensburyRules]

Its strange that Sullivan,Corbett,Fitz,Jeffries etc were not measured by this standard .Dempsey originally stated he would pay no attention to black challengers,but amended this stance later.Boxing is a business and a very corrupt one the great fights we never saw are the result of alphabet organizations not wanting to lose sanctioning fees and rival networks having a phobia about there golden geese sustaining a loss.
No Lewis v Bowe,McGuigan v Nelson, Conteh v Galindez, Pedroza v Sanchez, no Wilder v Joshua,and Floyd v Pacman was so late it had become an irrelevance.Boxing is run for casuals I will be at Wembley Saturday night there will be 94,000 people there more than half of those will not watch any of the supporting bouts ,which on paper look to be crapanyway, and more than half of them could not name a dozen active boxers.

- Hope U don't get caught in the Gypsy riot when Whyte KOs Fury.

[Ivich]

- Hope U don't get caught in the Gypsy riot when AJ ducking Whyte KOs AJ ducking Fury.

I survived the Hagler v Minter one , 94000 crowd Saturday. .How many does Wilder pull in?lol He can't even fill the 18,000 Barclays Center up!

[QueensburyRules]

I survived the Hagler v Minter one , 94000 crowd Saturday. .How many does Wilder pull in?lol He can't even fill the 18,000 Barclays Center up!

- - Fury ain't fighting Deyonce .

[Ivich]

- - Fury ain't fighting Deyonce .

And you aint making any sense!

[QueensburyRules]

And you aint making any sense!

- - Even quoting U has become nonsensical.

[Ivich]

- - Even quoting U has become nonsensical.

How could anyone get mad at you? Surely they cant take you seriously enough to do that!

[QueensburyRules]

How could anyone get mad at you? Surely they cant take you seriously enough to do that!

- - Good luck wif U Deyonce/Fury fight @Wembley

[Ivich]

- - Good luck wif U Deyonce/Fury fight @Wembley

I think Fury might stop him late.

[Willie Pep 229]

Even more suspect is that Tunney never received the same type of criticism, and he never fought a black fighter. So far as I can recall, neither did Tommy Loughran, and he is considered one of the best LHWs of all time.

Maybe because Wills was finished in 1926 and Tunney quit one fight after Dempsey II.

The color line only seemed to have been on people's minds, both ways, when it came to the HW Championship. The public didn't care much
that the American LHW Champion (Tunney) was drawing the color line. Tunney wasn't even recognized as World LHW Champion. Probably went unnoticed.

What if: Had Tunney hung around a little longer and Louis come up a little earlier I suspect he would have had pressure to meet Louis.

[travestyny]

So you are saying

the first bad check was relevant to the first contract not the second

that Dempsey signed a second contract with CAC

so we are suspose to conclude that Dempsey walked away from that second signing (I believe you said in March) without any kind of a monetary retainer?

It is early July when Dempsey pubically breaches the contract with CAC.

If they did give Dempsey any front money why didn't they ask for it back in the law suit? No doubt they would have won that case.

The first contract promised Dempsey 60K for training expenses, whether or not the check cashed is irrelevant.

Why didn't Denpsey receive any training money after the second signing?

This dog don't hunt.

Correct. Everything was set out in the contract. The contract was bound by $10 consideration.

Dempsey was to receive $300,000 in August and $500,000 10 days before the fight. Then a percentage of the gate if it surpassed a certain amount and money for whatever the moving pictures took in.

If for any reason the fight didn't come off, Dempsey would be able to keep the $300,000 as per the contract.


We've gone over these details so many times now.