Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[GhostofDempsey]

The terms Johnson required of the Australian promoter Hugh D McIntosh were in fact met,by McIntosh there were no last minute extras.The reason the fights did not happen is because Australian public opinion went against Johnson when he skipped bail. McIntosh made a public statement in the Aussie National press confirming this was the reason he abandoned attempts to promote the two title fights there and I posted it a while ago.
Your statement was as follows.

"The evidence is overwhelming that Johnson drew the color line and cherry picked his entire career."

The list of opponents he fought pre title I provided emphatically shows this is absolute nonsense!

Childs
Martin
Griffin
Klondyke
Langford
.Mcvey
Jeannette
.Everett
Black Bill
Joe Butler
Sandy Ferguson
Choynski
Stift
Gardner
Fitzsimmons
Armstrong
Kennedy
Armstrong
Munroe
Harris
Felix
Young Peter Jackson
Russell
Lang
Hart
Flynn
Jeffords

I'm not impressed with the list no matter how many times you post it, I already broke down the merits of many of these wins.

Johnson demanded a forfeit in a U.S. bank just as the negotiations had wrapped up in Australia. McIntosh had enough of his games and the Australian public had grown weary of Johnson.

[GhostofDempsey]

Ferguson has wins over;
Klon***e
Jeannette
A 1 rd ko over Armstrong.
A draw with Ruhlin,

Jackson drew with Everett
Beat O Brien twice, once by stoppage .
And has a stoppage win over Langford.

Armstrong's career was all but over when he fought Ferguson, he was doing exhibitions. Klon***e was never a great boxer, Ruhlin fought his second to last fight with Ferguson. He was very inconsistent.

Everett? How is he noteworthy? He fought in a different era and again not a world beater. O'Brien was well ahead in their first fight when it was stopped, and the rematch was a no decision. Again, Jackson was never heavier than 160, hardly a competitive fight for much larger Johnson.

[Ivich]

Armstrong's career was all but over when he fought Ferguson, he was doing exhibitions. Klon***e was never a great boxer, Ruhlin fought his second to last fight with Ferguson. He was very inconsistent.

Everett? How is he noteworthy? He fought in a different era and again not a world beater. O'Brien was well ahead in their first fight when it was stopped, and the rematch was a no decision. Again, Jackson was never heavier than 160, hardly a competitive fight for much larger Johnson.

Armstrong was 29 years old and had stopped Denver Ed Martin in his previous fight.
Johnson said Klon***e was one of them toughest men he ever faced.
I'm referring to Ruhlin and Ferguson's 1903 fight.

[QueensburyRules]

That's not the context Langford used it in.

- - I am 100% sure you being a 63 year boxing expert can provide all the contexts used by Sam.

Stay tuned, boys, this gonna git real goood!!!

[HOUDINI563]

The referee of the Dempsey Sharkey fight saw each of the final three right uppercuts to Sharkeys body. He described them as such and stated none of them were low. The doctor assigned to the fight examined Sharkeys groin and found no evidence of any low blows. You can clearly see the first two of the three final blows and they were on the beltline.

[Ivich]

- - I am 100% sure you being a 63 year boxing expert can provide all the contexts used by Sam.

Stay tuned, boys, this gonna git real goood!!!

I'm no expert but I have read Moyle's biography of Sam and you haven't, it contains plenty of quotes that support my opinion,but you wouldn't be interested in them would you?You just want to play at silly juvenile points scoring.
What's the matter butt hurt because you were wrong about who filmed the Fitzsimmons v Corbett fight? Don't let your reach exceed your grasp Queenie, you're much more convincing as the forum's clown.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm no expert but I have read Moyle's biography of Sam and you haven't, it contains plenty of quotes that support my opinion,but you wouldn't be interested in them would you?You just want to play at silly juvenile points scoring.
What's the matter butt hurt because you were wrong about who filmed the Fitzsimmons v Corbett fight? Don't let your reach exceed your grasp Queenie, you're much more convincing as the forum's clown.

- - Nary a single quote by Moyle nor any other attribution by U who buggered the Fitz/Corbett fight as only a Brit can do.

[travestyny]

Wills/Dempsey is disputed, and most of the blame rests with Wills people, Rickard and Kearns for the fight not happening. When we take a more thorough look at Wills resume and video of him fighting it’s easy to see he was boogeyman hyped by the press and his management. A good but not great fighter.

The evidence is overwhelming that Johnson drew the color line and cherry picked his entire career. There is very little context given by casuals who want to credit him for wins over McVey, Jeannette and Langford. The smoking gun was all the offers he turned down for $10k - $20k and even his $30K demand from them, only to accept $1K to get roughed up by Battling Jim. A cherry pick gone wrong.

Wills people???? How so?


Rickard and Kearns worked for Dempsey. If he had the power to fire them, there is simply no excuse.


No one would expect you to say anything less about Wills. But you still haven't named a heavy at that time with a better resume, tho for some reason you pretend that you've answered the question.


Regarding Johnson, have you come to terms with him signing to face Jeannette for the championship, or are you still denying that. If you can't even admit that, then there really isn't any reason for anyone to believe anything you say about the topic. You willfully duck reality.

[Ivich]

- - Nary a single quote by Moyle nor any other attribution by U who buggered the Fitz/Corbett fight as only a Brit can do.

Do some research, spend some money ,buy some biographies ,then perhaps you won't come across as such a no nothing fool!!

[travestyny]

The referee of the Dempsey Sharkey fight saw each of the final three right uppercuts to Sharkeys body. He described them as such and stated none of them were low. The doctor assigned to the fight examined Sharkeys groin and found no evidence of any low blows. You can clearly see the first two of the three final blows and they were on the beltline.

The ref said it was low. You of all people should remember that. Didn't you make the thread where it was unveiled?