Why is Jack Johnson rated so high...

[HOUDINI563]

Really? Dempsey signed a contract that was worth more than the Tunney fight and then broke the contract. When did JJohnson do something similar?

Dempsey won the lawsuit. What evidence did Dempsey and his lawyers present to convince a jury to side with them? The fact that a judge sent the lawsuit back for retrial does not explain the original jury’s decision.

I read an article from the time of the trial that reported Dempsey agreed to fight Wills at that time. He stated this in front of the judge and jury. The judge stated if this were done the contract would be enforced and the trial over. Wills side could not come up with the $ to make the bout occur.

[travestyny]

Dempsey won the lawsuit. What evidence did Dempsey and his lawyers present to convince a jury to side with them? The fact that a judge sent the lawsuit back for retrial does not explain the original jury’s decision.

I read an article from the time of the trial that reported Dempsey agreed to fight Wills at that time. He stated this in front of the judge and jury. The judge stated if this were done the contract would be enforced and the trial over. Wills side could not come up with the $ to make the bout occur.

If you call winning the lawsuit being found to have broken the contract, then yes.

It was sent back for DAMAGES. The court specifically stated that he broke the contract and was responsible for damages.

I read an article where he claimed he would fight Wills next and nothing ever came of it and there was no reason given for it not coming about other than both of them losing their next fight.

[Willie Pep 229]

Really? Dempsey signed a contract that was worth more than the Tunney fight and then broke the contract. When did JJohnson do something similar?

See! LOL

Do you really believe Dempsey-Wills was that simple? I guess you actually do.

Is any HW Championship fight ever that simple?

But of course the JJ situation is so complicated and different. Lol

You are the poster child of the duplicity I point to.

I see you surfaced once you found yourself a new buddy, or is this just another alt?

He has the same tendency to use the word proof and prove too often and then likes to ask bait questions, and when ignored keeps challenging the poster to answer his question. As if that in itself is some kind if victory.

Maybe there are two of you in the world. Grab onto this guy because he is at the very least your soul mate if not another alt.

Anyway thank you for replying.

[travestyny]

See! LOL

Do you really believe Dempsey-Wills was that simple? I guess you actually do.

Is any HW Championship fight ever that simple?

But of course the JJ situation is so complicated and different. Lol

You are the poster child of the duplicity I point to.

I see you surfaced once you found yourself a new buddy, or is this just another alt?

He has the same tendency to use the word proof and prove too often and then likes to ask bait questions, and when ignored keeps challenging the poster to answer his question. As if that in itself is some kind if victory.

Maybe there are two of you in the world. Grab onto this guy because he is at the very least your soul mate if not another alt.

Anyway thank you for replying.

Never said it was simple. But what I do know is that if that contract was more lucrative than the Tunney fight, and Dempsey was the one who backed out, I don't know how anyone other than Dempsey can be blamed.

The people wanted it, the promoter wanted it, Wills wanted it. The money was there. Dempsey didn't want it. What am I missing?



Feel free to show me the duplicity. And now you are attacking me saying I have an alt? Really?


Keep it above board. If you're going to get upset and cry because you can't back up your claims, then take it somewhere else. I came here to discuss boxing, not to be attacked by you because you don't like the truth.

[travestyny]

By the way, was there ever an injunction against Dempsey from fighting anyone but Wills? Issued by a court?

Where is the duplicity with this happening to JJohnson?



I mean if the topic is now duplicity, feel free to reveal it, right? Those are simply facts.

[Willie Pep 229]

Never said it was simple. But what I do know is that if that contract was more lucrative than the Tunney fight, and Dempsey was the one who backed out, I don't know how anyone other than Dempsey can be blamed.

The people wanted it, the promoter wanted it, Wills wanted it. The money was there. Dempsey didn't want it. What am I missing?



Feel free to show me the duplicity. And now you are attacking me saying I have an alt? Really?


Keep it above board. If you're going to get upset and cry because you can't back up your claims, then take it somewhere else. I came here to discuss boxing, not to be attacked by you because you don't like the truth.

Not upset in the least - that's just another dirty tactic you use, claiming the other guy is acting irrational.

Always the victim, you are.

[travestyny]

Not upset in the least - that's just another dirty tactic you use, claiming the other guy is acting irrational.

Always the victim, you are.

If you're not upset then I don't understand why you are attacking me instead of talking boxing history.


You did just accuse me of having an alt, didn't you? Or am I imagining that?

[Willie Pep 229]

By the way, was there ever an injunction against Dempsey from fighting anyone but Wills? Issued by a court?

Where is the duplicity with this happening to JJohnson?



I mean if the topic is now duplicity, feel free to reveal it, right? Those are simply facts.

To reveal - you either blame the fighters the way Jab does or you blame the circumstances as I do.

You want to play it both ways.

Revealed enough for you?

[travestyny]

To reveal - you either blame the fighters the way Jab does or you blame the circumstances as I do.

You want to play it both ways.

Revealed enough for you?

No. I will explain it to you one more time and let's see if you can follow it.

Jack Dempsey had a contract that was worth more than he would have ever gotten, I believe, to fight Wills. He broke the contract.

He also had an injunction smacked against him to prevent him from fighting anyone but Wills.


Has Jack Johnson been in similar circumstances? It's. a simple question that I hope you will answer in detail.

[Willie Pep 229]

Dempsey won the lawsuit. What evidence did Dempsey and his lawyers present to convince a jury to side with them? The fact that a judge sent the lawsuit back for retrial does not explain the original jury’s decision.

I read an article from the time of the trial that reported Dempsey agreed to fight Wills at that time. He stated this in front of the judge and jury. The judge stated if this were done the contract would be enforced and the trial over. Wills side could not come up with the $ to make the bout occur.

I think T is correct about this one. Dempsey breached the contract and he lost in court.

What happened was that the plaintiff should have stopped spending money the moment Dempsey pubically announced he was walking away from the contract.

In a sense Dempsey won because he only had to pay a small amount of expense money, the big money claim by the plaintiff was laughed at.

Dempsey did fact fact challenge Wills, in the court room in 1932. Everyone laughed. It was for the press.