Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[Hawkins]

Take away Tysons speed? It figures you would handicap the guy to make a point.LOL Ok I get it take away Tysons speed, make him hop on one foot with one hand tied behind his back and there's no way he could have beat Marciano.LOL

Do you work for CNN by chance? I mean take everything out context why dont you?

I quote:

Yes I said I think Rocky hit harder because take away Tyson's speed and it diminishes the basis of his knockout power.

This doesn't mean literally take away Tyson's speed. It means Tyson's speed combined with his power is what did the damage. As evidcenced in his later fights, without his speed his power is nothing compared to what it was.

[them_apples]

How, he didn't read my post at all (which is the norm) because nowhere in that post did I say to totally discard physical attributes. That is absurd.

you said you look at fighter's only based on skill, since when did physical attributes count as skill? This is why I used foreman as an example, he lacked skill but owned non the less.

Also, Marciano may have had good conditioning, but to go as far as to say he had better conditioning than Mike is a little far fetched. Ever read Tyson's workout routine? not to mention that he could easily go 12 rounds without breaking a sweat.

I'm not down-grading Marciano's Stamina, as it was quite good, but Tysons's Stamina is easily on par especially considering the energy he used up moving so fast.

This doesn't mean literally take away Tyson's speed. It means Tyson's speed combined with his power is what did the damage. As evidcenced in his later fights, without his speed his power is nothing compared to what it was.

that's true, but its also in part that he never connected as well ether, I mean look what he did to botha and ettiene

[Hawkins]

you said you look at fighter's only based on skill, since when did physical attributes count as skill? This is why I used foreman as an example, he lacked skill but owned non the less.

Also, Marciano may have had good conditioning, but to go as far as to say he had better conditioning than Mike is a little far fetched. Ever read Tyson's workout routine? not to mention that he could easily go 12 rounds without breaking a sweat.

I'm not down-grading Marciano's Stamina, as it was quite good, but Tysons's Stamina is easily on par especially considering the energy he used up moving so fast.

Your whole contention was how small Marciano was compared to Tyson, thus evening the playing field and assume they fought at a similar time. No matter what you say you totally discount some of Marciano's biggest attributes and think fighting him would be like fighting Bruce Seldon and thats simply not the case.

No it's not far fetched. Tyson is not in Marciano's league as far as stamina. Marciano was a human hurricane for 15 rounds.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

This doesn't mean literally take away Tyson's speed. It means Tyson's speed combined with his power is what did the damage. As evidcenced in his later fights, without his speed his power is nothing compared to what it was.

Young man, (lol) what does taking his speed away have to do with anything? The fact is he had it. Period point blank.LOL

[them_apples]

I human hurricane that moved at 2 km/h Tyson was a tornado in 12.

Why would they be the same size, Tyson was bigger than Marciano at 14. Which I'm sure he wasn't jacked up on what you call new age suppliment's.

How did Marciano hit hard anyhow, most of his fights involve him pounding on some bum for 15 rounds straight until they collapse in exhaustion.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Hawkins, I see your under attack by someone else now. Why doesn't this surprise me.LOL

[Brockton Lip]

I human hurricane that moved at 2 km/h Tyson was a tornado in 12.

Why would they be the same size, Tyson was bigger than Marciano at 14. Which I'm sure he wasn't jacked up on what you call new age suppliment's.

How did Marciano hit hard anyhow, most of his fights involve him pounding on some bum for 15 rounds straight until they collapse in exhaustion.

Is this guy serious with his posts?

[Hawkins]

Hawkins, I see your under attack by someone else now. Why doesn't this surprise me.LOL

It's just them_apples. he never really reads posts anyway, everything he asks I've answered before. He apparently doesn't read posts and makes asinine points that he equates as fact....the 'Bruce Seldon came to fight' is the one that did it for me.

Besides that, he's just a blind Tyson fanatic who is totally oblivious to any other viewpoints.

[Hawkins]

Is this guy serious with his posts?

Yes.

[them_apples]

Besides that, he's just a blind Tyson fanatic who is totally oblivious to any other viewpoints.

well you arguing that Marciano hits harder/better than/whatever etc than Tyson is a little bit of a joke. so your not captain serious ether.

EDit: o0o looks like Hawkins got some backup lol

why don't we argue something more serious like Marciano vs dempsey, in which case I'd pick dempsey.