Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[Hawkins]

OK I give up, Tysons fights with Douglas and Holyfield were while he was in his prime and the mental aspect of the sport is just a figment of my imagination.LOL

LMAO

man, made me choke on my Heineken.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Rocky fought as heavy as 192 in his prime, and would have fought a lot heavier with today's training and diet, it's not inconceivable that he could fight as high as 210-215. Tyson weighed 215 at his best, like against Holmes.

That's right, put Marciano on steroids to prove your point.LOL

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

LMAO

man, made me choke on my Heineken.

LOL I know, the little guy bowing makes it funnier.

[Jim Jeffries]

That's right, put Marciano on steroids to prove your point.LOL

Oh sure, Holyfield used steroids, not a fitness expert to come up from Cruiserweight at 190 right? And I guess Roy Jones must have really been on roids to come up from 160 to fight at heavyweight right?

[Hawkins]

LOL I know, the little guy bowing makes it funnier.

I know. Had beer coming out of my nose! LOL self


When you do matchups from different eras of the sport do you just take them as they were?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I know. Had beer coming out of my nose! LOL self


When you do matchups from different eras of the sport do you just take them as they were?

What do you mean?

[Hawkins]

What do you mean?

Well I mean do you out the older fighters in this era and give them the benefit of everthing thats modern? Medicinal? Training? Nutrition?

I mean if you took someone like Dempsey and placed him in todays world more than likely he'd weight just as much as everyone else. He'd benefit from everything we do and be on an even keel.

To be fair you really can't match them without doing it like that IMO.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Well I mean do you out the older fighters in this era and give them the benefit of everthing thats modern? Medicinal? Training? Nutrition?

I mean if you took someone like Dempsey and placed him in todays world more than likely he'd weight just as much as everyone else. He'd benefit from everything we do and be on an even keel.

To be fair you really can't match them without doing it like that IMO.

Tomorrow then

[slicksouthpaw16]

Tyson by TKO!

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Well I mean do you out the older fighters in this era and give them the benefit of everthing thats modern? Medicinal? Training? Nutrition?

I mean if you took someone like Dempsey and placed him in todays world more than likely he'd weight just as much as everyone else. He'd benefit from everything we do and be on an even keel.

To be fair you really can't match them without doing it like that IMO.

The thing is, if you take that all into consideration, how much of an advantage do you give modern fighters? And how can you really know how much of an advantage they have? What if you over gage the advantage? It will throw everything off. I don't think it's as big a factor as some people might think. In boxing you still need to know how to fight, have a good chin, and be dedicated to be an outstanding fighter. I think just for the fact that the heavyweight division isn't in that great of shape shows what I'm saying is true. Where's all the Mike Tysons and Evander Holyfields? There's a big motivating factor for everyone to be a non stoppable machine (MONEY) but we still don't see any evidence that modern medicine, nutrition, and training have a huge advantage. Don't get me wrong, there may be advantages but I think when taking that into consideration you can't over gage it because you'll short change some of our modern fighters that were very good regardless. I think the best example of this modern advantage would be Holyfield when he went up in weight from Cruiser to Heavy. I wouldn't count Tyson because he looked like that at 15. And this isn't any kind of an argument against you (yet lol) it's just where I stand on the subject. I'm not really sure where you stand on it though. For me, it's hard to classify Marciano, Dempsey, and Johnson with other champions because of special circumstances from those times that made them who they are. If we get into all that, this thread will get out of hand. I think we should wait until right thread comes up and then duke it out there. LOL