Some of yall just have too much malice and hate in your hearts.
Wasn't impressed and I am never impressed with anyones mitt routine. Its just the mitts its not meant to be impressive.
Floyd has brittle hands that have been broken before. So some of yall really expect him to go all out on the mitts and heavy bag? WTF kind of sense does that even make!
GGG & Manny are power punchers so I would expect them to hit the mitts and heavy bag differently than Floyd who is not a power puncher but is more about accuaracy and speed.
How all 3 fighters hit the mitts and heavy bag shows up in how they fight and all 3 are at or damn near at the top of sport.
So WTF are any of yall really b!tching about?
This fight ain't coming close to 1mill in buys.
I say it tops out around 700K give or take 50K. That is a great number to be honest.
The Floyd vs Manny fight will have no effect on this fight numbers because casuals might be turned off.
Fact of the matter most casuals don't really know who the hell Cotto or Canelo is.
Honestly what fight has either headlined on regular cable that had casuals talking about it?
I actually always called Kirkland a bum.
Don't know how far back with checking posts that this sites lets you go but I was never a fan of or thought Kirkland anything close to being a good fighter.
Canelo did what he was supposed to do with a bum who hadn't fought in over a year.
I will take nothing away from Canelo with his victory last week. I also refuse to overrate it as well. It was a decent resepctable win nothing more and nothing less.
Respect and congrats to Canelo
As a big Spence fan. I would say Spence would probably lose at any point in 2015.
Depending on who Spence fights the rest of this year and parts of 2016 by late 2016 I could see him beating Maidana.
we're sittin pretty right now...all is good in Lakerland
i dont think we're gonna go after Monroe anymore :D
Good would love to get Greg Monroe (if that is who you are referring to) in a Wizards jersey to replace that allegeric to boxing out and rebounding bum Nene!
you must be a butthurt fortywhiner fan. Sherman is the opposite of a thug
Damn you really have a problem with reading comprehension. I get it now welcome to my ignore list.
This shows the true mastery of Floyd. This two second gif. When someone tries to turn you or come in at an angle a person's natural reaction is to turn to the direction of the person in front of them. WRONG WRONG WRONG. What you are SUPPOSED to do is turn and occupy the space that was just left by the fighter that tried to turn you. Just like how Floyd moved to where Manny just was. Rigo did the same thing whenever Donaire tried to turn him. True mastery.
You are right!
I want to watch the fight again to see if I can pick up on what Breadman Edwards said Floyd did. Edwards said sometimes when Manny was trying to attack on an angle what Floyd did when saw this was change the angle he was standing on and the angle his (floyd) shoulder was pointing in. That meant Floyd was no longer there on the angle Manny was coming in on to attack to throw his combos. That move basically didn't allow Manny to get his combos off.
What do any of yall think about that? Did any of you all pick that up?
According to the established rules of the sport. In other words, penalize points for excessive clinching and holding, penalize points for bending below waist level to avoid punches. Not difficult to do. Do it once, get warned. After three warnings, deduct points. After three point deductions, DQ. This is the responsibility of the referee. Any referee found not to be applying the rules fairly and evenly and consistently should be fined and if he continues in the same way, he should be fired as a referee and his certification revoked.
As for the judges, they should be given the aid of monitors and have to justify their scores after each round. Basically what it outlined in Holyfield's article. The sport has to evolve. Most other sports have evolved to take advantage of technological advances, now it is boxing's turn to do so.
The bold has nothing to do with judging/scoring of fights.
I don't have a problem with judges getting help. I personally agreed with someone who said years ago judges should not even be out in the arena ringside because of the crowd & how sometimes they have blocked views of the actual fight.
I have no problems with the actual scoring criteria for fights which is
Clean punching, Defense, Effective Aggression and Ring generalship.
I think far too many people just look at aggression regardless of it being effective.
The scoring criteria is not subjective it doesn't say a person gets more points for hitting harder than their opponent and it doesn't say any of the 4 is more important than the other.
Too many people try to place their own rules on how to score a fight when the scoring rules are clear.
I disagree with a lot of you all about the ppv #s for Cotto vs Canelo. Its not a crossover fight IMO to reach 800K - 1M its have to be a crossover fight bringing fans of all races and I don't see this fight doing enough of that for it to reach those high #s
No disrespect to your thread but your question is part of the overall problem with boxing. Which the biggest fight not being the BEST fight.
Cotto vs Canelo unfortunately is the "biggest" fight money wise for the fighters but IMO the best fights would be either Stevenson vs Kovalev or Ward vs GGG. Those fights should be getting more push to get made over Cotto vs Canelo.
That these are so appropriate for what has gone on since May 2nd.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zNBaHchdgjo/UVy2sut1cWI/AAAAAAAARMo/-PhKxZEIb7E/s640/tumblr_lzjro2Tv011r4gei2o4_400.gif
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The problem is that they stopped judging fights properly due to Floyd's hype and popularity. Referees stopped enforcing the rules due to the money Floyd brought to the sport, not because his way of 'fighting' improved boxing in any way. The way I look at it, is if you don't want to exchange punches, if you don't want to get hit, if you don't want to FIGHT, if all you want to do is duck and run and hide, then you are in the wrong sport. Boxing is not for you. Try judo where there are no strikes at all, only throws. Or maybe needlepoint.
How are fights supposed to be properly judged?
wtf does your post mean? i have no gold teeth and can read past a college level and am a Broner fan
Stop playing Larry you know exactly what that post means.
Ghetto=black J
ust like Richard Sherman let people who didn't know that thug=n!44er now.
This is the part of the post that I gave you red K for.
Richard Sherman is a Stanford Scholar, and he has the right to talk his trash because he backs it up on the field.
This the damn internent f@#k I care about red K LLS!
SMH!!! You should learn to comprehend what you read before you reply to a persons post or ask for clarification if you don't understand.
Quote: Richard Sherman: 'Thug' is accepted way of calling someone N-word
Hence me saying in my other post " Just like Richard Sherman let people who didn't know that thug=n!44er now."
If you really knew about Richard Sherman you would know that he called out the media for calling him a "thug" by saying it was just their new way of calling black men "n!$$ers". So in turn just like dude made a post calling Broner "ghetto" which is only used to describe the unliked antics of black people I also used what Richard Sherman said about the word "thug" as an example.
Slow down dude don't get so upset you misinterpret what is right in front of you cause you got so mad you missed the clear meaning of what I posted.
Also just because a person has a high class education doesn't mean they can't be a thug. You can go to Harvard, Princeton, Brown Univ or Stanford and still be thug! They would just be a well educated thug and those people do exsist for the record.
thats always the argument niche boxing fans go to, i know what he is doing, i know how he is doing it, doesn't mean i like it. can you grasp that at least? its not a hard concept
You can not like it all you want. Just like I can like it all I want to.
Guess what in the end neither one of us is right or wrong in what we prefer to see.
I find it strange that people are actually trying to get the rules changed because of what the winner of certain fights is doing. But have nothing to say about what the loser is not doing or learning how to do to stop the winner from imposing their style.
Only in boxing. People hated the way Univ of Virginia mens b-ball team slowed the game up this year but nobody said a damn thing about changing the rules to make them play at a more fan friendly pace. All the commentators said you can not like it but they are winning games no matter how ugly it may be to SOME people. The key word in that is "SOME"
What all this boils down to that nobody can tell people what they should and shouldn't like.
If you like more agressive boxing good for you. If I like more thinking and chess match style of boxing good for me.
Well coming from someone who was actually around during that time because for most on here heinsight is 20/20 and now you can say no way he had a chance. But coming from me, Margarito during that time when he confronted Floyd about wanting to fight him, he was just a big, relentless machine with a granite chin and stamina. Heinsight is 20/20 and now you can say he had no chance but imo it would have been a challenge for Floyd. You can say he was slow as molasses. But when Floyd fought Castillo, castillo was no speed demon and he arguably won the first fight. So believe it would have been entertaining. It wouldn't have been easy for Floyd to get the win, but speed kills and i think he would have won. I mean why do you think Floyd turn down 8 million to fight baldomir instead for 8 million and one dollar more. Fighting margarito at the time was a bigger fight and he would have banked more in that fight in the end. But people forget Margarito was a machine, big, had a granite chin and was just relentless. I wish that fight would have materialized.
I love the way you just so casually leave out of the bold the fact that meant signing an extension Arum/ Top Rank which is something that Floyd didn't want to do. Why also are you leaving out that Floyd and Arum(even though both are well known liars) said he would fight Margarito for the 8Mill if Arum gave him 10Mill Cotto and 20Mill for De la Hoya.
Don't only tell part of the story just so it can fit your narrative. No need for that.
What you should be asking is why is Kovalev satisfied with whatever he will be getting from this fight? Any comment on that? That should tell you who really wants the fight.
Is Stevenson your boyfriend or something? Why are you so concerned about his finances?
OHH a internet tough guy questioning my manhood. I'm so offended.
:buttkick:to you while I do this to that hoe you call your mother :bukkake:
It's hard being a promoter though. You build up a fighter, put him on the road to stardom only to eventually get embarrassed by a guy like Rigondeaux who is impossible to sell to the mainstream. At that stage, do you invest millions into the promotion of Rigondeaux only to never see a return? What if Lara got the decision over Canelo? That would have been a tremendous disaster.
It's just not an easy sport to promote when the fanbase is tied to individual fighters as opposed to the sport itself.
I'm not saying its easy but promoters now barely do the bare minimum of promoting. Of course your budget for promoting Rigo or Lara wouldn't be the same as what you would put behind Canelo. At the same time though Rigo and Lara are very good fighters in their own right and deserve some recognition for that and that is the promoters job. Hell even Arum lying @ss admitted that he didn't properly promote PBF to all the avenues that he could've. Which basically means he was being lazy and not doing his job.
The biggest risk Garcia ever took was fighting Khan... Period.
Peterson wasn't supposed to be competitive, neither was Herrera, or Paulie. All three were easy fights turned difficult outside of Paulie.
I understand you kind of mad and don't like what was said and neither do majority of folks here.
But the bold is a complete BS. Danny was the favorite and looked at to win but Peterson vs Garcia not supposed to be competitive. WTF? Never heard anybody say they thought that but you.
Umm the fight could of been made, yes it would of been HBO, but that is'nt banned. Yes I get the business aspect, but again that is a two way street. Why would HBO do something to help Haymon? Round and round we go. Anyways my larger point is I don't get why people want to defend any of these asshats when they all get in the way of fights getting made. Picking sides just seems silly to me when no one has any kind of concrete proof about anything. Everyone just bases their opinion on the serious of events that have unfolded over the last few years.
The bold is absolutely correct.
No what I was saying is that the fight could of been made, that is all. In the end though any split of zero, is zero. Both guys would of made career high paydays so from a business perspective, 50/50 of a fight that actually happens versus zero from a fight that does'nt happen does'nt make much sense. Not to mention the fight is for all the marbles at LHW. All that said though, I just don't care. As a fan I want to see mother****ers fight, its getting old having to talk about the politics more often than not because of all the BS. **** HBO, PBC, Arum, Haymon, GB or any other clown that gets in the way of giving fans what they want and deserve.
Ok I get what you saying. I 100% agree especially the bold.
Its a two way street though. An example often used here and was actually used in this thread is Stevenson vs Kovalev. Main Events were willing to do 50/50 on HBO to avoid the purse bid, and for whatever reason Stevenson and his team just wanted it to go to a purse bid. Not condoning it because it is one of the things that irks me with boxing and the bigger fighters, but everyone knew that Kovalev could'nt fight off HBO when Stevenson has no such contract. That fight could of been made if Stevenson really wanted it and it had nothing to do with HBO being unwilling to work with Haymon.
There is plenty of blame to go around and trying to lay the blame in one spot is just crazy imo.
So what you are saying is that Stevenson should possibly take less money to fight Kovalev because he is tied to HBO? How does that make sense? If Showtime or some other entity was willing to bid or pay more for the fight than HBO why should Stevenson just fight for less money?