In general this talk about sparring is a new thing, I don't recall anyone ever talking about sparring 10 years ago, except a rumour that Tyson before his Douglas loss took a KO in training, other than that sparring is irrelevant
Why would a top ranked boxer like AJ want to fight a severely overweight, unfit, drug addict with mental health issues?
Because they are cowards looking to cherry pick the easy fights, and want to avoid the Wilder fight.
Hearn loves a fight with a big name, who is not at his peak. Which is why they chased so hard for a fight with Wlad.
They aren’t looking to make this fight any time soon, it’s just Twitter rants between the fighters, Fury doesn’t even have a boxing license at the moment and Hearn said today that it won’t happen until Fury is back healthy and had fights to get ranked again. Hearn did say though that he is 100% confident Wilder vs Joshua in 2018, so everyone can relax with the ducking chatter.
I think if you listen real carefully you'll hear Khan say his right arm/ elbow is hurting him.
Okay maybe I misheard, Virgil did say after he’d had a chipped bone in his elbow which does explain his lack of speed. Just sounded like ‘he’s hurting me’, could be wrong.
He was losing the fight, sure, but this narrative that Khan was being beaten from pillar to post ala Pacquiao v De La Hoya is simply untrue. Yet I keep reading it.
Crawford was getting the better of him and Khan was mostly ineffective, but he wasn’t being absolutely beaten down in there.
Khan may or may not have looked for a way out, and Crawford may have been coming on strong, but in no way did Khan look like he was about to fold without being hit low.
IMO of course.
Listen to the end of round 2 or it might have been 3, he says it himself ‘he’s hurting me’.
Usually I’m one of the soul voices of support for Khan among a wave of hate, but I don’t even think it was entirely physical, I genuinely believe that Canelo KO shook him mentally and he was having PTSD moment against Crawford. Let’s face it, how could it not affect him, he will have seen the replays and be thinking ‘I could have died in there’.
What I saw was a guy that was getting hurt, was injured, befuddled by what was in front of him and having flashbacks of being brutally KO’d against Canelo. He knew if he went out like that again it was career over, so he was gifted an opportunity to get out and he took it.
I heard him say in the corner in round 2 ‘he’s hurting me’ and Hunter asked ‘he’s hurting you?’ and Khan being experienced with coaches and knowing that the towel would go in immediately if he confirmed that he said those words changed his mind and said ‘nah, I’m okay’, he quit from that moment on.
Whyte,lol! Get past Rivas first!
You won’t be laughing if the fight gets made, but I suspect it won’t happen, they have been avoiding the match up despite Whyte ranking. He’ll fight Ortiz and then a dead beat.
Who has Wilder beat? Stiverne, who did he beat? Ortiz, who did he beat? If you want to argue resumes you'll lose.
Like i said Wilder is inferior whatever way you want to play. He's not a 50/50 player.
Titles = Joshua
Resume = Joshua
Drawing power = Joshua
It’s a fair point on Ortiz, vastly overrated and a super safe profile building option for Wilder. I’ll give Wilder some credit for Fury, he did do better than I expected despite Fury also being out of shape, but the rest of his opponents are a pile of @&$&.
Okay Fury remind us again how many belts you have right now? Because I’m assuming that would be a target, you know as a ‘fighting man’....So, who are you fighting next as a fighting man?....Who?....Say again I think I misheard, Tom who?...So you fought for an actual world title and now for the WBO intercontinental title?...hmmmm Okay now your opinion on pretty much anything is worthless
If and when they fight the robot will get knocked out! That's the only resume that will matter!
Very possible, Wilders one trick is the same shot Klitschko caught AJ with and he wouldn’t get up if it was Wilder. But, if Wilder fights Whyte before AJ he’s gonna lose. I know what your gonna say, Whyte’s crap etc, and in general I would agree but stylistically he is bad news for Wilder. He is younger, quicker and better on the inside than Ortiz and Ortiz showed he was just a little old to beat Deontay. Say what you like, if that fight happens, AJ vs Wilder will never happen.
We are not talking about the future. One of Joshua's last 10 was Kevin Johnson. Don't get it twisted!
I think you are both missing the point. Wilders career has been twice as long and he’s had twice as many fights.
To compare them equally you should look at the progress of their careers, so, who fought who in there 10th - 20th bouts...let me guess...there’s only gonna be the sound of tumble weed from Wilder fans at this point.
Just kidding, let’s cut big D some slack, just compare Wilders 20th - 30th bouts to AJs 10th - 20th....oh..ah...that’s unfortunate...silence is golden I guess.
Joshua is about to rob your fan base in a single fight. How is it that of all the taxi drivers you have fought Miller was not even on the list. Wilder is an utterly protected fighter with 37 bum fights on his record. Honestly Fury has made a name for himself in one fight on your turf, it’s embarrassing you even kid yourself that you are some kind of entity worth caring about. Give it a year and the US public will be clamouring for AJ vs Fury and Wilder will be lucky to get a front row seat in his home town. Idiot.
Hey casual, this isn't 2015 or 2016. Wilder resume completely ****s on Joshuas right now.ortiz and fury b2b with a fury rematch on the way.
That’s because you believe the BS that Ortiz is a top fighter. To say Wilder has had one good fight and now has a much better resume is laugable, although I’d admit Fury is definitely the biggest name on either of their resumes right now.
Having said that, Fury was still not fully on form or ring ready and he still got a draw, soo you could argue he only fought 2/3 of Fury.
Sickening AJ could have had a career-high Payday last year when Haymon offered 50 mil,, anybody who has pom poms cheering for this guy is delusional
I think all of you guys on this trip, just need to stop the stupid arguments for what amounts too simply saying ‘Joshua is scared, he doesn’t want to fight the two best in the world, he’s ducking them and he isn’t as skilled or strong as the PR says’.
It would of course be a stupid opinion on soo many levels, and is probably born out of some F’up prejudices, but at least it’d save time, instead of all the passive agressive girly ****e Wilder fans keep pumping out.
You can hear it in Hunter's voice (metaphorically speaking) that he doesn't believe in Khan's chances in this fight. He probably didn't like what he's been seeing in sparring. Anyways the way Hunter been talking isn't a good sign for Khan.
Hunter doesn’t speak very highly of anyone other than is great creation Ward, so it’s not all that surprising.
In this fight it’s more about the other quote regarding Canelo, that he didn’t want the fight for Khan. I believe it’s the same here, he doesn’t want this fight for Khan because he likes to go in feeling more on top and he just doesn’t feel confident. Which is worrying for Khan in terms of the way he might have been coached for this. But he’ll do okay, he’s only collecting the check at this point anyway.
YES. He used to be good when he was up and coming. He looked like the next big thing at some point, BUT during those streaks Pac and Floyd were miles ahead as well. Would you rather fight him instead of cotto margarito marquez or mosley during those times??
After Danny Garcia he didn’t do anything of note. And that was 6 years ago. His ring performances just couldn’t flat out compete with his delusions of grandeur it’s nearly damn impossible to like the dude.
Maidana is his biggest win, and it’s not even gonna be included in Floyd’s top 10.
I’m not a hater, there is just nothing much to like to a guy who talks a lot but never was able to back it up with their performances.
Even against a mediocre vargaz he even had the nerve to say “oh i could’ve finished this guy but i needed the rounds” like WTF man!!!
Floyd fought berto when he was like 39. Khan is 31 right now, and im sure as hell berto has some good chance to put him to sleep like everyone else’s.
I certainly do hope 40 yr old manny fights him next so we can be done with his delusions of grandeur they’re cringeworthy to listen to.
But guess what he’ll say after that???
Probably something like;
“If Pac fought Floyd the way he fought me, he would’ve knocked him out as well” lol
And that won’t be the worst thing we’ve heard
For ffs he doesn’t even want none of brook his excuses are pure BS, and here you are supporting the dude
I’m not supporting the dude, I’m a boxing fan and the Vargas fight was entertaining and almost all of Khan’s fights at entertaining. Even the one sided David vs Goliath when he fought Canelo was fun for a few rounds as he stung Canelo with his speed, that was one of those where he showed his biggest asset and then quickly followed it up by demonstrating his worst trait, lack of concentration.
I don’t think we’ll ever agree that a fight with Pac is a good match up, I believe it will be a fun to watch.
Kell yeah, I see it different to most, you have to understand the history of this one. Kell and Khan were Jnr amateurs coming up around the same. They are from kind of rival towns in UK, fairly close together and heard about each other as kids. They never fought because Amir was a level above Kell and in the seniors Kell didn’t box much at all, so Khan went on to be an Olympian and so on, so he literally left small town Kell standing and went and made it as a top Amateur. Fast forward a few years and Kell is calling out Khan and understandably was like ‘who’s he to be calling me out, I’m an Olympian this guy didn’t do the hard yards’.
Kell then went on to prove himself in the pro’s but also got a fair bit bigger size wise than Khan. So they weren’t exactly natural opponents anyway. I think this all comes back to a point of pride and a lack of real desire on Khan’s part for this match up, plus their opposing managers didn’t help for years. Neither of them ever really tried too hard to make it happen either.
Fair enough. I just can’t stand the dude. I used to support him when he was up and coming. He didn’t really talk a lot of nonsense back then.
Now his blindness and delusions, paired with mediocre performances are just too much for a logical fan.
For someone who keeps getting wobbled and got knocked out 3 times, you’ll expect some form of humility but it just keeps getting worse.
Let’s admit it Vargas is a C-level fighter, and that performance is a good parameter to where Khan is currently at. And to most, he looked awful.. after all that talked that his sparring partners are better lol.
I don’t know how you graded his performance. Either you’re too high on Khan or too high on Vargas if you were impressed.
Right now I do not know which one would I like to kill his ego once and for all. If it’s brook then it absolutely ends him since he always rated himself higher than brook, now there would be no delusions.
If its pac, then it ends his delusions and slap to him that he was no where close to pac/floyd during their primes since he couldn’t even beat a 40 yr old version of one.
Very tricky choice.
Vargas was a step up from Greco. So, I rated him a 5.5/10 so not really high on him. I’d love to see him against Pac, Brook and Garcia again. He’s likely lose to one or all of them but i’d watch those fights.
The thing about boxing is you got to ignore the hype to enjoy it for a long time, I sense I got some years on you, it’s great young fans are still into the sport, but my advice is to take very little notice of the trash talk, these guys know that hero’s and villains draw fans, Khan used to be a hero, now he’s a villain. But they don’t believe most of the stuff they say, it’s just for the headlines.
I’ve been watching since I was 10. It has been 16 yrs already, 9 years in this forum and I haven’t heard or researched anyone as delusional as this guy in the history of the sport. You can see here that he is constantly being clowned and that’s for a good reason. And it’s very very hard not to notice that.
Prime Floyd talked bs. Prime Ali talked bs. Prime tyson talked BS. But none of them ever talked as unproportional to their ring performances than Khan period. I’ll be really glad if you can name me one fighter more delusional than Khan.
It’s good that you’re sorting all the BS out, but if it’s falling for Khan’s hype and talks then that’s something else.
I honestly think Khan doesn’t really accept in him that he has a weak chin. His arrogance and delusions of grandeur prevents him from accepting his flaws and get better from there. Once he accepts that, he’ll tighten his defense. He’ll throw less flashy moves, and focus more on substance. He will then learn to clinch and many more.
But nope he will never accept that.
Adrian Broner
Keeping Khan’s delusions of grandeur alive huh?
Last time I checked he fought Algieri who didn’t win a single round against a 35 yr old pacquiao and got KD 6 times in the process, while Khan who was 28 at that time, at the prime of his life couldn’t even drop him and won in a close fight.
I don’t think at any point in their actual career timelines that Khan can beat those atgs, and I don’t at any point as well that he did anything to deserve a shot against them.
Maybe now or the last few years as those 2 are in the twilight of their careers yet Khan won’t still be favored against them. That’s the sad truth. You must have been persuaded by Khan’s constant cringeworthy talks.
When Khan was at his best during the Zab, maidana, kotelnik run.
Pac was beating up cotto, clottey, and margarito.
Seriously, you think Khan would have done well during that time?
Maybe if it’s a fantasy fight like Prime Khan vs 40 yr old manny then he could win by a decent percentage.
And it’s funny because Khan is just 31 now, and he’s a laughing stock in boxing while those atgs are number 1 and 2 p4p during those times.
A 31 yr old should be able to beat a 40 yr old. But Khan wouldn’t even be favored. lol
Any decent gym anywhere in the world knows Khan is top level boxer, you talk like only one level of boxing makes boxing, it’s a very ignorant view of the sport. I’m on no campaign to make Khan popular, I’m the first to admit he does dumb ass stuff outside the ring, but he beat Maidana who Floyd entertained twice, he is far better than Berto, who Floyd danced with for an easy pay day. People act like he never had place to call these guys out but he was no worse than some of their opponents.
If he fights Pac in his next fight, it won’t be one sided, the kid can box, but the reason he isn’t going to be a great is because he never had stamina, he never accepted he doesn’t have a chin and can’t brawl, instead of boxing behind one of the fastest jabs in boxing. He couldn’t adapt well to styles cos he just isn’t that intelligent. But act like he never had a thing and wasn’t a top class boxer makes you either a hater or you just know nothing about boxing.
He’s been asking for this payday for what now like 5 years or so. Why fight a 40 yr old man well past his prime ( manny still can win though) when you can give your fans and I mean the British fans cause you have none here in the U.S a domestic showdown with Brook who has been calling you out for years ? Oh that’s right Brook will ko you badly and with Manny you at least have a chance to see rd 12.
But that’s the point he has been trying to get these fights with Pac and Floyd for 7 yrs now and they didnt want to play. You telling me Maidana or Berto or Horn are better business?! Nope, neither of these guys wanted it because khan was dangerous, he can win like he did against Vargas or Algieri against most people and that’s a problem for those guys. Granted he would not have had a chance against Floyd, but Pac is vunerable to speed and range.
Oh wow... I'm willing to bet that this comment threat quickly turns into the retarded comment thread in the history of boxingscene.
I remember I used to read boxing news 24 and there was a poster that went by the name of 'the bearcat' and this is exactly his type of thread.
Anyway, Fury is irrelevant and he knows it. He is simply trying to appease a certain fanbase including his own to get more people on his side.
Totally agree. On both counts. Any mention of these two and merry go round of name calling, retarded comments from 12 yr olds up past their bedtime. Hardly anyone on this forum knows anything about boxing anymore, it’s just stupid ass dumb stuff.
Wilder should outrun Joshua and challenge Usyk first! After all, this is his dream — to become a champion at cruiserweight as well. :D
That’s actually a great point, Wilder could make the weight. But I suspect K2 (great brand btw, clever guys) would head this off, I think Wilder would be out in the cold again.
Thats not the point. Getting more than double his career high payday for a fight that should be fairly easy is hardly jumping through hoops. AJ already has a fight lined up. You make it sound like Wilder should just wait for him
Double what he will get to fight anyone else but AJ. And according to every Wilder fan on this forum, Whyte was an irrelevant win on AJ’s record, cos Whyte is apparently terrible, so surely Wilder would jump at this, easy work right?
I reckon almost all these comments are aimed at Wilder, he just loves poking him, flexing who's really in controL, Wilder must be steaming, in the end he'll take less dollars
Degale is a confidence fighter, he needs to hang em up now because he’ll doubt himself against anyone now, I was never really into his hype tbh but for the first time I think he isn’t either and that would be very dangerous against Eubank, Smith, Groves etc (his domestic paydays).
It wouldn’t end well for Bellew, I don’t think he will fight Fury it’s just talk, he seems pretty level headed about not taking more punishment than he needs to, in fact I reckon if he wins or loses against Haye he’ll retire anyway