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Not sure why people can't be objective beyond their fandom for certain fighters. For the record I believe Wilder beats Joshua by knock out but it is beyond me how anyone can even remotely defend Wilder's resume, although he deserves credit for stepping up to Povetkin and Ortiz but for obvious reasons those fights not occur. Joshua has already beaten a game Wladmir in his young career and handled the likes of Martin and Brezeale guys who I don't really rate to be fair. But deserves credit for the Whyte victory as well, he's another name worth mentioning. Wilder's best win to date was against Artur Szpilka for me, but that doesn't compare to a victory over Wlad and we're talking about a man who has been the world champion for a while now but has not hunted the big names until now. There's a reason for that, Joshua is an easier fight then Wlad would have been. And now there's criticism being directed at Joshua for not facing Wilder, are you guys kidding me? he stepped up to face Wladmir Klitchko, there's more reason to poise this question at Wilder given his resume. But from what I gauge both are very keen on doing battle, both will be paid extremely well and both will get a shot at unifying the titles. So this point scoring is extremely childish from Wilder and Joshua fans. The fight will happen in 2018 or 2019 at the very latest, there's no doubt about that and I can't wait because I will be there at Wembley, cheering my guy Wilder on even though am a Brit. Good point made here, but how can we conclude he beat a game Wlad? Wlad's effort was there but even he cannot overcome the huge age difference. Also, AJ went the Wlad route because it was mid-risk, high reward for him. AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, because it was high-risk, mid-reward for him. AJ, in my opinion, is not as keen as Wilder to fight the latter. This is because his team is telling him that Wilder could potentially limit AJ's earning potential if AJ gets knocked out and destroy AJ's mystique. Part of why AJ is popular is because of the wins, i.e., the Olympics, undefeated, looks the part, perfect knockout ratio, etc. If Wilder beats him, that mystique is gone. AJ will still make good money but not as much and will not have the reputation he is trying to hold on to as the baddest man which he isn't. Further, Tyson Fury is the man who beat the man legitimately, not a man who beat a man coming from a loss. Just saying...

and wilder needs to do is throw 1-2 punches at range, and then start windmill once stiverne staggering There was no windmilling. Give Wilder his credit. The shots were calculated and destructive.

The skill disparity between Wilder and Joshua is wide. The skill disparity between Kobe and LeBron is debatable. See the difference? In your wisdom, may you enlighten everyone here on this disparity based on skills - not cooked up items from nowhere? I will be waiting on this...

Wilder has less skills but his overall skill in these few areas is A+, as good as you'll see from any HW. AJ has more skills but they are mostly all balanced. When you match them together, it seems to me it's the skills Wilder are great at that target the areas AJ is weak in. Cutthroat, I will have to disagree with you here. AJ is fundamentally compact and throws like a boxer. Effectiveness, however, is not dependent on that. Areas of skills: Physical: Wilder taller and longer reach, but both about equal. So, let's say equal Speed and Athleticism: Wilder Technique: AJ all day (fundamentally compact shots, holds hands up for the 1st few rounds until he tires, much better uppercut, better combinations, etc.) Stamina: Wilder Power: Wilder Left hook - AJ Left jab - Wilder Right hand (hook and jab) - Wilder. Front foot fighting - AJ marginally because he prefers 2 and 1. Wilder prefer 3 and 2, although comfortable in 1. Back foot - Wilder. Head movement - About equal. AJ better with up and down, Wilder with left and right. So, why the statement of AJ having more skills? I am happy to be corrected.

I agree that Wilder can fight off the backfoot better but that is due to his athleticism(which isn't his fault) But fighting off the back foot doesn't mean **** if you're fighting a guy that can provide prssure like Joshua(go back and Watch Thurman vs Porter) You see, Wilder has yet to fight anyone who can box from the outside, cut off the right, or has equal or close power compared to him. I'm not like you guys who just look at how a fighter dominates his opponent without taking into consideration the quality of opposition. If Wilder has beaten Ortiz and Povetkin I would probably say 50/50. Since he hasn't fought anyone even a tier below Joshua, I am not giving him the benefit of the doubt. Sheldon, AJ does not know how to cut the ring. Come on now? That much is clear. He cannot deal with anyone who moves well. This was his biggest problem against Takam. AJ's opposition is the same as Wilder, save for Wlad - who in my opinion had grossly declined. It is cool if you don't give him benefit of doubt since he was unable to fight those 2 guys. I can respect that. p.s: I watched Thurman/Porter - Thurman won because of his ability to move, his power and ability to counter. These are 3 things Wilder does well - even if not as well as Thurman. Hope we can get to see the fight. We can have more informed data then, or if Wilder fights Ortiz or Povetkin.

Joshua has the better footwork, balance, hooks, uppercuts, combinations, parrying, blocking, jab is about equal(might give slight edge to wilder), better at cutting off the rung, better body puncher, better at fighting at a faster pace. Defense is about equal I would say. Wilder on has the edge in stamina, athleticism, and power. Please, tell me if i'm wrong. On AJ, I agree with all you said except the following: 1. Footwork: AJ does not have the better footwork. He is more fundamentally compact but that's not all there is not footwork. Wilder is more agile and moves better in and out than AJ. Wilder also pivots much better than AJ. . 2. Blocking: I cannot agree here. Neither can I disagree. The reason I say this is that AJ is rarely ever defending because he is the offensive fighter. AJ's offense is his defense most times. Also, like Wilder, he has been caught with some clean shots as well. So, I am not sure we can say that. 3. Better at cutting ring: No, he is not. They are at worst equal. AJ has constantly had trouble cutting off the ring. Just take a look at his last fight for evidence. 4. Fighting at faster pace: How can you even say this? What is the proof that AJ is better at this? There is not enough sample size to show this. Now, on Wilder: 1. Better jab - it is not close unless you want to be in denial. AJ rarely uses his jab to destroy an opponent because he is looking to setup his combinations. Wilder utilizes his a lot more and a lot better. 2. Right hand: Wilder has the better right hand - power, direction and accuracy. I am not saying AJ's is not good. If I will rate, it is 9.5 for Wilder and 9 for AJ. So, it is close although in power, Wilder has a lot more power. 3. Movement - Wilder (though clumsy) moves better than AJ. This is in multiple directions and Wilder pivots extremely well. This is probably his most underrated skill. 4. Fighting on the back foot - Wilder is the best right now amongst the heavyweight. AJ is terrible at fighting on the back foot. If you don't believe me, take a look at Takam, Wlad, etc. They all show this huge flaw he has. He almost seems clueless fighting on the back foot. 5. Punching while moving - AJ is average again at this. Wilder is better. AJ likes to corner people because he is trying to throw combinations. But combinations only matter when you have a stationary target or an oppoent who is hurt. 6. Speed - perhaps what makes punches more dangerous and effective. Speed kills. Wilder is faster than AJ. As is said, it is the punches that you don't see that hurts the most. Now, please note that I am not saying AJ is not fast. He is fast, but not as fast as Wilder. AJ, though, throws great and fast combinations. I think you spoke about the rest, i.e., stamina (that's a beatdown there although it might not matter), power (I think we agree here), athleticism. Now on the fighting on the front foot, I think I will give AJ a 9.5 and Wilder a 9. AJ is more aggressive and willing to take a shot to land a shot. Wilder seems more calculated before jumping in. AJ fights better in range 2 and delves into range 1 (up close). Wilder prefers to fight in range 3 but could transition almost immediately to 1 (skipping 2) or to 2. Look bro, I know we are on different sides of the fence on this. My only ask is for them to fight. Somebody will win. I think Wilder, you think AJ. Let's see.

I think Wilder is the hardest puncher but will not get credit until he unifies.

Not to hijack this thread but what are your thoughts (and I'm asking the account holders collectively) on consolidating the three sanctioning bodies as a way to completely marginalize the WBO/IBO? Surely three established organizations uniting as one would simplify rankings and enforce compelling best vs best fights for boxing fans. We've heard the WBA is on a mission to remove redundant titles in all weight classes, but has there ever been discussions among your organizations about a merger? Not an expert in anyway, but I wish this were possible, bro! I think there should be a unified (single) ranking system almost like it is done for K1, but not where the champion gets beat and is still #1. What I mean is a hybrid. You beat the champion - obviously you are now the new champion. If you are #1, #2, etc., you fight people below you or at best the champion. I don't think anyone who is not in the top 5 should fight for the championship unless the rest of those guys are not available or injured. I think all 3 belt organization can consolidate and just charge more - that way they all get paid but we the fans get what we want in terms of consistency in who fights who, and in determining who the real champion is.

I said he needed to prove himself and that was a response after someone said Wilder vs AJ was the only fight to make. I never once said I was against the fight... Wilder does not need to prove himself against no Whyte. Only delusional folks like you think that. Even the Stiverne who fought yesterday beats Whyte and Takam.

This is the repeated foolishness I see on here. Wilder has a great jab, a great right hand, is very mobile, great stamina, above average head movement, average defense, average upper cut, not fundamentally compact or looking like a boxer, but he uses his tools well and it is not just athleticism. Some are taller than Wilder and cannot use their jabs. Most are bigger but do not have Wilder's power - that also is not athleticism. Wilder keeps a good weight on himself which allows him to have more endurance than others. And for all the criticisms on here, he keeps finding people with either of his hands and knocking them down - that is not luck, but skill. When will he ever get his credit on here? It is not about looking the part but being the part. Kobe looks better than Lebron shooting and handling the basketball but Lebron is more effective. Does that mean Lebron is not as talented or skilled?

With what, those wide telegraphed punches? Stiverne mailed it in for a pay day. Meanwhile Wilder just ducked gray's question about whether he would go to U.K.to fight Joshua. Only 11k fans showed up for Wilder, even with a decent undercard. Wilder will use fighting in the U.S. as his excuse to duck Joshua. What excuse? He said to Jim Gray that he is willing to go anywhere. Did your TV freeze on this or are you just trying to tell lies?

Lmao with the Kobe and Lebron analogy. Lebron and Kobe play basketball which is a team sport. There stats and abilities to a certain extent is dependent on their teammates whereas in boxing it is dependent on the individual. Also, it is very clear that Lebron is a better overall player than Kobe when you look at their whole body of work. But that is another topic for another day. Wilder, on the other hand, is a fighter that lacks fundamentals that every average boxer should have. Yet, because he is athletic and powerful he being touted as an A-Level fighter when there is a fighter at WW like Shawn Porter who is a better fighter P4P who many consider being a B- Level fighter. Even looking a resumes it is clear that Wilder hasn't even beaten anyone on Broner ir Malinaggi's level. Seems you did not read again what I said. I said Kobe looks like the better shooter - his form shows that obviously, but Lebron's efficiency is better. What does that have to do with team spot? Then, you compare Wilder's win to Malignaggi. Ok... whatever.

If BW lands on Joshua clean, he'll be in trouble, for sure. Though I'm still not 100% sold on Wilder's power.... that fight with Malik looked dodgy as Hell. I can understand and respect your point on the Malik fight. None of us will ever know the truth. From my point, I saw a left hook followed by a right hand that did not have a full impact. Maybe Malik decided to just sit down rather than continue (I bet over 50% think this), while others think that maybe he lost his equilibrium. Who knows? From the eye test, looking at what Wilder's power does to his opponents is why I rate him as the most powerful heavyweight.

Wilder has a better straight right but Joshua has a better right hook. You also forgot to mention that Joshua is a better medium range and short range fighter(better at fighting in the pocket) Joshua is also better at parrying and blocking shots. To make it easier for you, on a scale from 1 to 10 Wilder is a 6 while Joshua is a 8 or 8.5. I don't see Joshua telegraphing punches and fighting wild. I do not know how you can say they are both equally skilled. Sheldon, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the right hook. Nothing about AJ's right hook says better than Wilder. His left hook - yes, but not right hook. On the medium and short range - I mentioned that in my front foot fighting. AJ is better at 2 than Wilder, but isn't better at 1 than Wilder. AJ stays between 2 and 1 and rarely at 3 - which is why he is almost useless at 3, with 1 being the closest to the opponent. Wilder stays at 3 but is comfortable at 2 and 1, and transitions seamlessly into either 2 or 1. For AJ telegraphing punches, please watch the last fight against Takam, you can see where the right hand is going to and you could also see Takam see it from '1-mile' away to evade it. I cannot say AJ is better at parrying or blocking shot because his offense is his defense. He has never really had to show us his defense. The closest was against Wlad and even then he looked average on the backfoot and was not parrying or blocking well. AJ's up and down movement is good. Left and right movement is average at best.

man my gotdamn overweight uncle is in better shape than stiverne that sh1t didn't impress me Joshua still beats Wilder, what just because he man handled a sack of lard and a ref suddenly he's the Mike Tyson of the late 2000's??? Fuqqq outta here!! If anyone looks like Tyson, it is AJ not Wilder. Wilder's style is completely different. In my opinion, it is not a 50-50 fight. Wilder has the better tools to win and should win more often than not if they fought.

I'm sorry, but Broner was not a better boxer than Madianna. Broner was more flashy but not as skilled or technical as Madianna. When it pertains to Wilder and Joshua, I have personally seen better but what is as clear as day is the fact that Joshua has the better resume and overall skill. Therefore he should have the befit of the doubt over Joshua. Joshua does not have the better resume. Fighting Wlad does not make a better resume. But, we can agree to disagree.

It's just baffling how everybody is making it seem as if this is a 50/50 fight. Looking at both men's body of work it is clean that Joshua should get the benefit of the doubt It is not clear that AJ gets the benefit of doubt. Wilder does a lot of things better. AJ has better combinations, uppercut and weight. But combinations only matter if someone is standing in front of you. Wilder does most if not all the rest of the remaining items better - more agile, better movement although clumsy footwork, better jab, better right hand, more stamina, more power. Wilder is much better than AJ on the backfoot - AJ's is non-existent. AJ is marginally better on the front foot. These are my reasons why I say Wilder wins. If the roles were reversed, I will say the same for AJ based on these tools. Now can either guy knock the other out? Of course. But comparing tools to tools - Wilder has more.

I'm not criticising wilder and that was a devastating KO but let's not get carried away. He was fighting a poor HW who had 1 fight in nearly 3 years, that couldn't be bothered training. He wobbled in the ring and could barely lift his arms up. He had not fought in 2 years - not 3. I am not getting carried away or saying you are criticizing Wilder. All we want is Wilder vs AJ. I believe the outcome will be with AJ knocked out completely. We just want to see it - enough with Eddie's excuses.

You are obviously blind. Aj throws the better combinations, better at applying pressure, has better balance, can cut off the ring better, jab is about equal, and AJ can knock you out in so many different ways compared to Wilder who can only do it using his right. Only advantage Wilder has is Power and Athleticism. You are the blind one. I gave AJ credit for combinations. He is not better at applying pressure - a guy who cannot even cut off the ring. lol... he has better balance - that is correct. I gave him credit for that too as part of his fundamentals. Does AJ also have better stamina? Lol...... very funny. Jab is not equal - only you will state that. Wilder has always had a better jab. AJ can knock guys out in many different ways. How exactly? And how is that different from Wilder. Please, take a look at Wilder's highlights before talking crap. Most of AJ's knockouts have come via multiple shots - not a single. I'd take Wilder's approach anytime anyday... hopefully you can remove your blinders for once. Peace!

Wilder is a killer, a mean puncher but we already knew that. Did he really fought a live dog? Or better yet, a simple dedicated active fighter? ... Did AJ fight a live dog in Wlad? How can you objectively say that? Wlad was coming of a loss after a previously horrible performance against Bryant Jennings, he was 41+ years old and almost 1.5 year layoff. But, AJ got credited for beating him - why? I am not even against giving AJ credit but come on...

The main reason that Joshua fanboys are triggered is because he looked average against Takam. On the other hand, Wilder would have had more opposition from a zombified corpse than Stiverne gave him last weekend. People are too easily impressed by Wilder and too quick to dismiss Joshua to be honest. Statements like the zombified corpse is what does not make any sense. The Stiverne who fought Wilder last Saturday beats Whyte in my opinion. Unfortunately, he was not allowed to get into the match. Boxing is always about match ups. It is not mathematics. The fact that Stiverne was made to look bad against Wilder does not mean that he would have looked like that against someone else. I hope we see a match up soon against one of these guys and see the result.

Joshua is text book. Wilder is off script. Most importantly though, both are long range fighters. Wilder is longer, more mobile and more powerful. Appreciate the response, bro. What I am concerned about is this "better" boxer statement. Yes, AJ looks textbook, but like Wilder says, he will rather be the part than look the part. I think both guys are effective with their tools but using the word better bothers me, since I don't see it.

SMH. Highlights don't tell the whole story. If we were to just look at highlights, Adrien Broner would be P4P 1. I've watched most of Joshua's fights and half of Wilder's. It is pretty clear that the skill disparity between the two is huge while power difference is minimal. Joshua being able to knock opponents out in different ways gives him the advantage due to the fact of not being predictable. Wilder is very predictable, he just hasn't fought anyone skilled enough to take away that right hand and eploit his flaws. Joshua would be able to do that. I sometimes think you guys just go off of emotion instead of actually analyzing a fight. Go off emotions? Are you kidding me? I was trying to have an objective discussion until you pointed out blindness. My take is still the same - Joshua is technically sounder in his stance and the way he throws his punches. He also looks like the better boxer (just like AB looks like the better boxer against Maidana but was knocked down and embarrassed). AJ has the better uppercuts. The power difference is not minimal - only you will say that. I follow both guys by the way but I am tired of the excessive hype! I call it like I see it.

If wilder takes him passed the 6th he’s KOing Joshua his muscle mass drains his stamina, wilder would take full advantage. Wilder destroys AJ under 6 in my opinion. As I have said numerous times, Wilder has the better jab (left), the better right hand, he moves better, both his head and his legs. AJ is bigger and is more fundamentally compact but it is the hands that need to be thrown and I feel like Wilder has the better hands supported by better movement.

Based on What? Stiverne is terrible. Wilder has one punch KO power, there's no doubt about that, but AJ is on another level to anyone he's faced and also has one punch KO power. I hope the fight gets made. AJ does not have one punch KO power. He knocks people out using combinations. Please, let's state the facts for once. Both are very good fighters (can't use great when they are just at beginning to mid of their careers).

I find Joshua very "basic", and probably limited, but when either guys hit you, you know you're hit, so it doesn't matter in a lot of instances. Agreed, bro! Both guys definitely hit hard. AJ possibly has the better punch resistance, which isn't to say it's great? Wilder looks a bit fluffy around the chops IMO. If either lands, it'll lead to the fight ending. AJ should have better punch resistance because he is heavier, but would that really matter if he gets hit? As Floyd says, boxing is a game of hitting and not getting hit. Right?

It doesn't matter if Wlad was old, he still had it, even if he was over the hill. Like I said in my original post, Martin was not the problem. I am not sure who wins out of Wilder-Joshua, don't put words in my mouth. I think I can see how both guys could win the fight, tactics and preparation will be the key. Wlad did not have it. AJ's level made it seem like Wlad was special. He wasn't in that fight. He was not his former self at all.

Cos hey dont like black fellas Oh.... wait Well said! You know this hate (not from you) is unnecessary. 1st off - both are black guys doing well. Both can fight. Some think AJ is better. Others, like me, think Wilder is better. We just want them to fight. No need for the repeated lies or dissing. Can we buy some maturity for this forum?

Agree to disagree. Wlad looked good, as I said maybe not the Wlad from 2012-2014 but he was far from a shot fighter. A shot fighter you can see from a mile off. Cool... guess we agree to disagree. I don't think the Wlad of 2012 - 2014 even looked good. He was terrible at that stage - leaning on Povetkin shoving him, lucky against Pulev and terrible against Jennings. He did not look good at all. Then, Tyson Fury tortured him even more mentally and then played with him.

Wlad even at that age, is ten times better than anyone wilder has beat Of course, can you explain the basis for your measurement? No heavyweight even at their peak is 10 times better than anyone.