Wilder. I'll say this too, **** Mike Tyson for telling Joshua NOT to fight Wilder.
I see why Hearn is frightened for his cash cow. Both of them are petrified of Wilder. We didn't need to see this fight. Stiverne was damaged by Wilder and some of you UK fans thought that he could still beat Wilder. The same would've happened to Ortiz and Headvetkin which is why they took PEDs to fight the man-scared. PED scared.
Joshua is probably the biggest ***** in boxing right now.
Look, Wilder is 220 lbs tonight, you're 250. Fight him you shook mark. We're tired of the Takams, 40 somethings, Breazeale and Martins of the world. Hearn is just using you.
Fight Wilder because every time that you face an inferior bum, you lose respect in the boxing world. Who's next Ustinov, Pulev? Lmao.
Well said, bro. No one is against AJ doing well financially. He has already started in the right direction. We just want to see the fight. that's all. If he needs more time, let him say it. But, let the fans know what's real.
Am sure they will get it on eventually, sky have been increasingly plugging Deontay Wilder as of late and they have a deal with matchroom who promote AJ. I know people don't like the idea of Wilder facing Whyte, but from the POV of Eddie Hearn it's not a knock on Wilder, but a win over Whyte would further elevate his appeal in the UK and make the fight with AJ even bigger. Whyte obviously is not ready for the top level just yet but remains a good prospect. Either way, Wilder could still go into a big clash with AJ and draw big numbers given that it is a unification after all
Just for the record I agree that Wladmir was older and he had also been inactive for a long while in the ring, and I also agree that those factors certainly helped AJ in the ring but Wladmir was game on the night, he gave AJ hell and almost beat him; in that moment you'd still rank Wlad among the best in the HW division despite his defeat to Fury a couple of years earlier. And I also agree that the Fury win over Wlad was better, but we also need to give credit where due to AJ ; because he beat a future hall of famer who on the night did not look out of his depth although the age gap/inactivity certainly helped him.
I disagree that AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, simply because the British Public wanted to see Wlad/AJ and it was a genuine superfight in the country and we all saw all the success the event achieved. And while Wilder is certainly a more dangerous fight, Wlad/AJ was 50/50 for me and far from not risky at all, if AJ was a guy who wanted to take no risks at all he'd not have taken that fight, he could happily have continued to make a healthy pay day selling out the 02 facing guys like Charles Martin. On the other hand, Wilder has failed to hunt the big names and it took Fury to open up the division for him to wake up a little bit but it would have been nice to see him take on Wladmir when he was on top.
Also, win, lose or draw the casual fans here in Britain will still pay big bucks to see AJ; sure he will lose some mystique in defeat but there will always be a lot of interest, see the career of Frank Bruno. AJ is the best media trained guy I've ever seen and he has been marketed extremely well, it makes no sense from his team to duck Wilder given their foothold in the sport of boxing and potential to make so much money. Wilder on the other hand will relish the challenge from the POV of elevating his profile and making some money at the expense of not as much risk because AJ should be easy work for him.
Well said, bro. No one is against AJ doing well financially. He has already started in the right direction. We just want to see the fight. that's all. If he needs more time, let him say it. But, let the fans know what's real.
I'm confused as to why anyone is saying there's been ducking here. Didn't Joshua already have a fight with Wlad signed and waited on a contractually obligated re-match and was handed a mandatory? Didn't Wilder fight a bum early in the year and a mando bum this weekend? Confused as to when they could have fought and Wilder only started "calling him out" a month ago when both had scheduled fights. Nobody is scared of Wilder.
It will happen. Also, I find it funny how people think Wilder is a top fighter and more skillful than guys like GGG, Lomachenko, Garcia etc; He's a bum with power and awful technique. His whole career is a fraud up to this point. He's never even fought a C level guy yet and y'all saying he's an all-time great.
the bottom line is that the best fight to be made is wilder vs Joshua. bringing up an old wlad has nothing to do with that. wilder vs Joshua needs to happen, any boxing fan should be calling for this fight, nobody as heavyweight has an amazing resume so please stop. the wlad victory was decent but he was inactive and coming off a loss outside of that, nothing on anyones resume stands out so they should fight eachother.
Even that version of Wlad, would give hell to everyone in the HW division outside Fury.
And I disagree because Fury easily has the best resume out of the lot while Wilder has the weakest given his experience as well.
Yes, Wilder/AJ needs to happen and it will happen am not sure why people are getting their knickers in a twist because the fight will 100% happen.
Good point made here, but how can we conclude he beat a game Wlad? Wlad's effort was there but even he cannot overcome the huge age difference. Also, AJ went the Wlad route because it was mid-risk, high reward for him. AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, because it was high-risk, mid-reward for him. AJ, in my opinion, is not as keen as Wilder to fight the latter. This is because his team is telling him that Wilder could potentially limit AJ's earning potential if AJ gets knocked out and destroy AJ's mystique. Part of why AJ is popular is because of the wins, i.e., the Olympics, undefeated, looks the part, perfect knockout ratio, etc.
If Wilder beats him, that mystique is gone. AJ will still make good money but not as much and will not have the reputation he is trying to hold on to as the baddest man which he isn't. Further, Tyson Fury is the man who beat the man legitimately, not a man who beat a man coming from a loss. Just saying...
Just for the record I agree that Wladmir was older and he had also been inactive for a long while in the ring, and I also agree that those factors certainly helped AJ in the ring but Wladmir was game on the night, he gave AJ hell and almost beat him; in that moment you'd still rank Wlad among the best in the HW division despite his defeat to Fury a couple of years earlier. And I also agree that the Fury win over Wlad was better, but we also need to give credit where due to AJ ; because he beat a future hall of famer who on the night did not look out of his depth although the age gap/inactivity certainly helped him.
I disagree that AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, simply because the British Public wanted to see Wlad/AJ and it was a genuine superfight in the country and we all saw all the success the event achieved. And while Wilder is certainly a more dangerous fight, Wlad/AJ was 50/50 for me and far from not risky at all, if AJ was a guy who wanted to take no risks at all he'd not have taken that fight, he could happily have continued to make a healthy pay day selling out the 02 facing guys like Charles Martin. On the other hand, Wilder has failed to hunt the big names and it took Fury to open up the division for him to wake up a little bit but it would have been nice to see him take on Wladmir when he was on top.
Also, win, lose or draw the casual fans here in Britain will still pay big bucks to see AJ; sure he will lose some mystique in defeat but there will always be a lot of interest, see the career of Frank Bruno. AJ is the best media trained guy I've ever seen and he has been marketed extremely well, it makes no sense from his team to duck Wilder given their foothold in the sport of boxing and potential to make so much money. Wilder on the other hand will relish the challenge from the POV of elevating his profile and making some money at the expense of not as much risk because AJ should be easy work for him.
why are Joshua fans so dead set on seeing wilder vs whyte if they argue they are tired of wilder fighting bums???????? they claim they want to see him vs top competition yet they are screaming for wilder to fight Whyte??????? im lost can anyone explain? and please miss me with the money aspect, ur a boxing fan not an accountant.
Very good post. greenk!!!!
why are Joshua fans so dead set on seeing wilder vs whyte if they argue they are tired of wilder fighting bums???????? they claim they want to see him vs top competition yet they are screaming for wilder to fight Whyte??????? im lost can anyone explain? and please miss me with the money aspect, ur a boxing fan not an accountant.
Preach bro preach
This is even after whyte looks like he did vs helenius and chisora looks terrible vs kabayel on the weekend...chisora - a guy whyte went life and death with whyte
It seems like we've been saying this **** forever and Joshua's fans are still talking like Hearn about building the fight.
The whole U.K. Saw Wilder Saturday night. They know the danger Wilder brings.
lol exactly these excuses are sickening
why are Joshua fans so dead set on seeing wilder vs whyte if they argue they are tired of wilder fighting bums???????? they claim they want to see him vs top competition yet they are screaming for wilder to fight Whyte??????? im lost can anyone explain? and please miss me with the money aspect, ur a boxing fan not an accountant.
You won't get an answer. What they really want to see is if Whyte tries to hit Wilder in the face off or some rat ass **** so the internet can buzz before Wikder kills his ass. You saw when Wikder went to the U.K. to help announce the fight and Bellews bum ass started talking about he beat Haye. Joshua's fans were screaming that Wilder came to the U.K. to negotiate a fight Bellew lmao. Remember that **** lol... Deflection at its finest.
the bottom line is that the best fight to be made is wilder vs Joshua. bringing up an old wlad has nothing to do with that. wilder vs Joshua needs to happen, any boxing fan should be calling for this fight, nobody as heavyweight has an amazing resume so please stop. the wlad victory was decent but he was inactive and coming off a loss outside of that, nothing on anyones resume stands out so they should fight eachother.It seems like we've been saying this **** forever and Joshua's fans are still talking like Hearn about building the fight.
The whole U.K. Saw Wilder Saturday night. They know the danger Wilder brings.
Not sure why people can't be objective beyond their fandom for certain fighters. For the record I believe Wilder beats Joshua by knock out but it is beyond me how anyone can even remotely defend Wilder's resume, although he deserves credit for stepping up to Povetkin and Ortiz but for obvious reasons those fights not occur.
Joshua has already beaten a game Wladmir in his young career and handled the likes of Martin and Brezeale guys who I don't really rate to be fair. But deserves credit for the Whyte victory as well, he's another name worth mentioning. Wilder's best win to date was against Artur Szpilka for me, but that doesn't compare to a victory over Wlad and we're talking about a man who has been the world champion for a while now but has not hunted the big names until now. There's a reason for that, Joshua is an easier fight then Wlad would have been.
And now there's criticism being directed at Joshua for not facing Wilder, are you guys kidding me? he stepped up to face Wladmir Klitchko, there's more reason to poise this question at Wilder given his resume. But from what I gauge both are very keen on doing battle, both will be paid extremely well and both will get a shot at unifying the titles. So this point scoring is extremely childish from Wilder and Joshua fans. The fight will happen in 2018 or 2019 at the very latest, there's no doubt about that and I can't wait because I will be there at Wembley, cheering my guy Wilder on even though am a Brit.
the bottom line is that the best fight to be made is wilder vs Joshua. bringing up an old wlad has nothing to do with that. wilder vs Joshua needs to happen, any boxing fan should be calling for this fight, nobody as heavyweight has an amazing resume so please stop. the wlad victory was decent but he was inactive and coming off a loss outside of that, nothing on anyones resume stands out so they should fight eachother.
why are Joshua fans so dead set on seeing wilder vs whyte if they argue they are tired of wilder fighting bums???????? they claim they want to see him vs top competition yet they are screaming for wilder to fight Whyte??????? im lost can anyone explain? and please miss me with the money aspect, ur a boxing fan not an accountant.
Not sure why people can't be objective beyond their fandom for certain fighters. For the record I believe Wilder beats Joshua by knock out but it is beyond me how anyone can even remotely defend Wilder's resume, although he deserves credit for stepping up to Povetkin and Ortiz but for obvious reasons those fights not occur.
Joshua has already beaten a game Wladmir in his young career and handled the likes of Martin and Brezeale guys who I don't really rate to be fair. But deserves credit for the Whyte victory as well, he's another name worth mentioning. Wilder's best win to date was against Artur Szpilka for me, but that doesn't compare to a victory over Wlad and we're talking about a man who has been the world champion for a while now but has not hunted the big names until now. There's a reason for that, Joshua is an easier fight then Wlad would have been.
And now there's criticism being directed at Joshua for not facing Wilder, are you guys kidding me? he stepped up to face Wladmir Klitchko, there's more reason to poise this question at Wilder given his resume. But from what I gauge both are very keen on doing battle, both will be paid extremely well and both will get a shot at unifying the titles. So this point scoring is extremely childish from Wilder and Joshua fans. The fight will happen in 2018 or 2019 at the very latest, there's no doubt about that and I can't wait because I will be there at Wembley, cheering my guy Wilder on even though am a Brit.Mike Tysons career says otherwise to what you're saying. And he was younger than AJ and Wilder when he fought his first unification fight. And if the Wilder/Joshua fight happens in 2019 I'd call Joshua a ***** to his face and probably wouldn't receive any repercussions from his almost ***** ass.
Good point made here, but how can we conclude he beat a game Wlad? Wlad's effort was there but even he cannot overcome the huge age difference. Also, AJ went the Wlad route because it was mid-risk, high reward for him. AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, because it was high-risk, mid-reward for him. AJ, in my opinion, is not as keen as Wilder to fight the latter. This is because his team is telling him that Wilder could potentially limit AJ's earning potential if AJ gets knocked out and destroy AJ's mystique. Part of why AJ is popular is because of the wins, i.e., the Olympics, undefeated, looks the part, perfect knockout ratio, etc.
If Wilder beats him, that mystique is gone. AJ will still make good money but not as much and will not have the reputation he is trying to hold on to as the baddest man which he isn't. Further, Tyson Fury is the man who beat the man legitimately, not a man who beat a man coming from a loss. Just saying...
Well said.
Not sure why people can't be objective beyond their fandom for certain fighters. For the record I believe Wilder beats Joshua by knock out but it is beyond me how anyone can even remotely defend Wilder's resume, although he deserves credit for stepping up to Povetkin and Ortiz but for obvious reasons those fights not occur.
Joshua has already beaten a game Wladmir in his young career and handled the likes of Martin and Brezeale guys who I don't really rate to be fair. But deserves credit for the Whyte victory as well, he's another name worth mentioning. Wilder's best win to date was against Artur Szpilka for me, but that doesn't compare to a victory over Wlad and we're talking about a man who has been the world champion for a while now but has not hunted the big names until now. There's a reason for that, Joshua is an easier fight then Wlad would have been.
And now there's criticism being directed at Joshua for not facing Wilder, are you guys kidding me? he stepped up to face Wladmir Klitchko, there's more reason to poise this question at Wilder given his resume. But from what I gauge both are very keen on doing battle, both will be paid extremely well and both will get a shot at unifying the titles. So this point scoring is extremely childish from Wilder and Joshua fans. The fight will happen in 2018 or 2019 at the very latest, there's no doubt about that and I can't wait because I will be there at Wembley, cheering my guy Wilder on even though am a Brit.
Good point made here, but how can we conclude he beat a game Wlad? Wlad's effort was there but even he cannot overcome the huge age difference. Also, AJ went the Wlad route because it was mid-risk, high reward for him. AJ did not want to go the Wilder route, because it was high-risk, mid-reward for him. AJ, in my opinion, is not as keen as Wilder to fight the latter. This is because his team is telling him that Wilder could potentially limit AJ's earning potential if AJ gets knocked out and destroy AJ's mystique. Part of why AJ is popular is because of the wins, i.e., the Olympics, undefeated, looks the part, perfect knockout ratio, etc.
If Wilder beats him, that mystique is gone. AJ will still make good money but not as much and will not have the reputation he is trying to hold on to as the baddest man which he isn't. Further, Tyson Fury is the man who beat the man legitimately, not a man who beat a man coming from a loss. Just saying...