Enough beating around the bush - as an AJ fan I do NOT want to see Wilder next

i posted something similar in another thread. AJ is still improving and with only 20 pro fights under his belt, it would be a shame to see him ruined vargas style. that said, i still would rather see them fight each other next over any other opponent.

First off two years is two years. The fact that both guys are late starters, actually puts more emphasis on those two years not less. Secondly - professional experience is key here, and there is a huge gulf in that department in terms of fights and more importantly training camps, which again are even more important for late starters. Wilder may continue to improve, but you would think at age 32, 9 years pro, he is very much at his peak right now, whereas AJ with only 20 pro fights and a short amateur career, is probably not. The amateur program is where you learn all your fundamentals, you're given protective head gear and introduced to all sorts of styles to learn from. Joshua had 5 years of that, Wilder just 2. Joshua has also had more time to dedicate to boxing in general, he was still living with his parents in the London suburbs, I'm not even sure he's held an actual job before. Wilder was working 2 jobs as a 19 year old trying to support his daughter. The two men come from very different backgrounds. Wilder is getting up there in age, but has taken very little punishment, his skills, body, it all looks more polished than ever and will continue to improve. Whether the fight is right now or 2 years from now, the result will be the same.

I respect your honesty.

Wilder only has 2 years of total experience on him, he started boxing in late 2005, AJ in 2007. Wilder isn't as experienced as you think and will continue to improve. First off two years is two years. The fact that both guys are late starters, actually puts more emphasis on those two years not less. Secondly - professional experience is key here, and there is a huge gulf in that department in terms of fights and more importantly training camps, which again are even more important for late starters. Wilder may continue to improve, but you would think at age 32, 9 years pro, he is very much at his peak right now, whereas AJ with only 20 pro fights and a short amateur career, is probably not.

Wlad even at that age, is ten times better than anyone wilder has beat So. He was old and Joshua beat the old guy. So why won't he sign to fight Wilder? Lol

I bet you don't want to see that beating that AJ will receive lol

Wilder only has 2 years of total experience on him, he started boxing in late 2005, AJ in 2007. Wilder isn't as experienced as you think and will continue to improve.

Wlad even at that age, is ten times better than anyone wilder has beat Of course, can you explain the basis for your measurement? No heavyweight even at their peak is 10 times better than anyone.

Martin was a ****en bum and Wlad was old. You're just like the rest of the Joshua fans, but at least you're admitting that you know that Wilder would whip his ass a and that he isn't ready for Wilder. Wlad even at that age, is ten times better than anyone wilder has beat

Agree to disagree. Wlad looked good, as I said maybe not the Wlad from 2012-2014 but he was far from a shot fighter. A shot fighter you can see from a mile off. Cool... guess we agree to disagree. I don't think the Wlad of 2012 - 2014 even looked good. He was terrible at that stage - leaning on Povetkin shoving him, lucky against Pulev and terrible against Jennings. He did not look good at all. Then, Tyson Fury tortured him even more mentally and then played with him.

Wlad did not have it. AJ's level made it seem like Wlad was special. He wasn't in that fight. He was not his former self at all. Agree to disagree. Wlad looked good, as I said maybe not the Wlad from 2012-2014 but he was far from a shot fighter. A shot fighter you can see from a mile off.

It doesn't matter if Wlad was old, he still had it, even if he was over the hill. Like I said in my original post, Martin was not the problem. I am not sure who wins out of Wilder-Joshua, don't put words in my mouth. I think I can see how both guys could win the fight, tactics and preparation will be the key. Wlad did not have it. AJ's level made it seem like Wlad was special. He wasn't in that fight. He was not his former self at all.

As someone who wants the fight next, i have to admit this is the most reasonable, truthful argument an AJ fan has posted. I appreciate you saying what no other AJ fan will admit. It would be a great fight next, but for the reasons I have stated, I think you guys have to wait 12 months, and I think AJ has probably earned that 12 months. Its not like he has been hanging around fighting nobodies.

Martin was a ****en bum and Wlad was old. You're just like the rest of the Joshua fans, but at least you're admitting that you know that Wilder would whip his ass a and that he isn't ready for Wilder. It doesn't matter if Wlad was old, he still had it, even if he was over the hill. Like I said in my original post, Martin was not the problem. I am not sure who wins out of Wilder-Joshua, don't put words in my mouth. I think I can see how both guys could win the fight, tactics and preparation will be the key.

Reason being? He hasn't peaked and is still improving. To be honest I didn't think he was ready for the world title but I guess him and Hearn weighed up the pro's and cons' and took a gamble. The problem as I see it was not Charles Martin, but more the fact they knew there would be public pressure to take on the real challenges and potentially (some are, some not) dangerous mandatories once he had the belt. The second gamble they took, was the Klitschko fight, a dangerous fight where they probably would have preferred it a year down the road, but again I think they jumped because they feared Klitschko age 41 might not hang around that long, it is a huge fight in terms of legacy/ financially, and IF he lost they could definitely rebuild him and it certainly would not have been the end of the world. As it stands now, why do they need to take the risk? For my money AJ still can improve in a lot of areas, I think the Takam fight was a great fight for him, it was a learning fight, against a durable well rounded fighter albeit not top level. AJ is not the finished article - Wilder is, he ain't getting any better. He has had nearly 40 professional training camps, has had nearly double the fights, double the experience, even if you consider that the level AJ has moved up at has been much quicker and arguably has a better resume at the sharp end, there is no replacement for experience and training camps. The fact they are entertaining it for 2018 is just about how AJ's career has developed up to this point, FAST. The financial's just adds to the above argument, of course they don't want to take the risk for a fight that really isn't that much bigger than any other AJ fight, but much more dangerous. Having said all that, I think it will happen at years end 2018, AJ would have had 2 more training camps, Wilder would not have got any worse and you'll probably get the best version of the fight it could be. So... Stop all the dick measuring and trying to get one up on each other. This is boxing, its a sport and a business. If you are a Wilder fan you want the fight now, in boxing terms AJ is still a baby, and the longer they wait the harder he's going to be to beat, you guys need to admit that part of it! As someone who wants the fight next, i have to admit this is the most reasonable, truthful argument an AJ fan has posted. I appreciate you saying what no other AJ fan will admit.

Reason being? He hasn't peaked and is still improving. To be honest I didn't think he was ready for the world title but I guess him and Hearn weighed up the pro's and cons' and took a gamble. The problem as I see it was not Charles Martin, but more the fact they knew there would be public pressure to take on the real challenges and potentially (some are, some not) dangerous mandatories once he had the belt. The second gamble they took, was the Klitschko fight, a dangerous fight where they probably would have preferred it a year down the road, but again I think they jumped because they feared Klitschko age 41 might not hang around that long, it is a huge fight in terms of legacy/ financially, and IF he lost they could definitely rebuild him and it certainly would not have been the end of the world. As it stands now, why do they need to take the risk? For my money AJ still can improve in a lot of areas, I think the Takam fight was a great fight for him, it was a learning fight, against a durable well rounded fighter albeit not top level. AJ is not the finished article - Wilder is, he ain't getting any better. He has had nearly 40 professional training camps, has had nearly double the fights, double the experience, even if you consider that the level AJ has moved up at has been much quicker and arguably has a better resume at the sharp end, there is no replacement for experience and training camps. The fact they are entertaining it for 2018 is just about how AJ's career has developed up to this point, FAST. The financial's just adds to the above argument, of course they don't want to take the risk for a fight that really isn't that much bigger than any other AJ fight, but much more dangerous. Having said all that, I think it will happen at years end 2018, AJ would have had 2 more training camps, Wilder would not have got any worse and you'll probably get the best version of the fight it could be. So... Stop all the dick measuring and trying to get one up on each other. This is boxing, its a sport and a business. If you are a Wilder fan you want the fight now, in boxing terms AJ is still a baby, and the longer they wait the harder he's going to be to beat, you guys need to admit that part of it! Martin was a ****en bum and Wlad was old. You're just like the rest of the Joshua fans, but at least you're admitting that you know that Wilder would whip his ass a and that he isn't ready for Wilder.