Wilder vs Stiverne purses (Stiverne won't get the step-aside money)

HOW RING MAGAZINE HAS CHANGED RULES TO BENEFIT HBO FIGHTERS AND HARM SHOWTIME FIGHTERS ....Thanks for this illuminating post. I think most long time fans are accustomed to the corruption within the sport, but it's still deeply sobering and frustrating nonetheless.

HOW RING MAGAZINE HAS CHANGED RULES TO BENEFIT HBO FIGHTERS AND HARM SHOWTIME FIGHTERS 1. HBO desperately wanted the lengthy build towards Ward vs Kovalev to culminate in establishing a new lineal champion after being embarrassed when Adonis Stevenson left for Showtime. So they leaned on their trusty lead promoter Oscar De La Hoya to figure out how to crown Andre Ward or Sergey Kovalev as lineal champion when Adonis Stevenson was already the lineal champion. So Ring magazine created a new rule that violated the very nature of the lineal championship. Ring magazine instituted mandatory defenses. If you don't fight a top 5 contender from their rankings, they can strip you (if it benefits HBO). Keep in mind all of the rules, new and old, are selectively enforced to benefit HBO and harm Showtime. But wait, this new rule would result in Canelo being stripped as well, so they made the rule even more ridiculous, you had to defend against a top 5 contender FROM ANY WEIGHT CLASS. Why? So that Amir Khan would qualify as Canelo's "mandatory" and allow Canelo to keep the title, while ridiculously stripping Adonis Stevenson of the lineal title. That's right. Canelo is middleweight champion despite never ever winning a fight with a 160 pound limit, but Adonis was stripped without losing, while remaining active, and sure enough, HBO got their wish and Andre Ward was crowned Ring magazine champion. 2. HBO is scared to death of Showtime being able to crown a lineal world heavyweight champion, so to make sure that Joshua vs Wilder can't be for the Ring title, Tyson Fury continues to be recognized as Ring champion. Doing so has required Ring to break several rules in an effort to benefit HBO and harm Showtime. #1 - TYSON FURY PUBLICLY RETIRED!!! That's right. The very thing that has always caused a lineal title to become vacant, retirement, was blatantly ignored by Ring magazine to ensure that Showtime couldn't have the heavyweight champion. But since Andre Ward is now a free agent and not obligated to HBO, he was stripped upon retirement so that HBO can try to crown a new "lineal" champion if/when Kovalev fights Barrera next year. That's right, never forget that Ring can have #2 fight #5 for the vacant "lineal" title if HBO wants them to. There is no journalistic integrity anymore, which is why every respected journalist quit the Ring ratings panel and started TBRB instead. #2 - Not only did Tyson Fury retire, he hasn't fulfilled Ring's mandatory rule about top 5 contenders. Has he been stripped like Adonis Stevenson? Nope. #3 - Tyson Fury hasn't fought in TWO YEARS. Ring rules say you are stripped after 18 months if you don't fight. Why is Fury still the champion?! #4 - Tyson Fury failed a drug test, which under Ring rules should result in you being stripped. Tyson Fury, based on FOUR DIFFERENT violations of Ring policy, was supposed to be stripped, but they haven't done it because HBO doesn't want them to. This is what happens when you allow "independent" rankings to be PURCHASED BY HBO'S LEAD PROMOTER!!! So Ring magazine says Tyson Fury is heavyweight champion, despite Tysons' public retirement, drug test failure, failure to fight a top contender in two years and failure to fight anyone at all in 18 months. Ring magazine says Canelo is middleweight champion despite Canelo publicly declaring he wasn't middleweight champion anymore and never actually winning a fight contracted at the middleweight limit. Meanwhile, Adonis Stevenson, who is the clear lineal champion, and knocked out Tony Bellew in a mandatory defense who went on to win the CRUISERWEIGHT championship and become a big name at HEAVYWEIGHT, was stripped of his Ring title for not fighting their mandatory, making them just as corrupt as any sanctioning body. Any poster who points to Ring rankings as an unbiased source should be immediately banned from this site. 2017 NSB Best Post of the Year

damn...he would have gotten more just to fvck off Lmaoooo this reminds me of the wire with Orlando and they pay this dude NOT to sell drugs and he does it anyway and gets arrested.

I don't like their new championship policy but 1 little deal about Hopkins don't think proves bias.I mean Canelo is their cash cow and he has never been overrated.Just have seen no real bias.Buit we will see going forward because they just fired M Rosenthal and put Dougie Fisher in charge from what I hear and he is really biased. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18193413&postcount=71

http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature-articles/14560-occupy-the-ring I don't like their new championship policy but 1 little deal about Hopkins don't think proves bias.I mean Canelo is their cash cow and he has never been overrated.Just have seen no real bias.Buit we will see going forward because they just fired M Rosenthal and put Dougie Fisher in charge from what I hear and he is really biased.

Turned down $4 mil to make $1.4 mil. Not scared though. :rofl:What do you not understand about mandatory challenges? Besides, he had nothing to prove against Dillian Whyte. He would've stopped or knocked him out in less than three rounds anyhow.

Not a problem. It's nice to be able to have a civilized discussion between two reasonable adults. Very rare on this site unfortunately. Indeed! At first, I thought there would be a possibility for him to keep the "step aside money" depending on how that contract was written. For example, "you keep the money as soon as Wilder vs Ortiz is signed regardless of what happens afterwards"

HOW RING MAGAZINE HAS CHANGED RULES TO BENEFIT HBO FIGHTERS AND HARM SHOWTIME FIGHTERS 1. HBO desperately wanted the lengthy build towards Ward vs Kovalev to culminate in establishing a new lineal champion after being embarrassed when Adonis Stevenson left for Showtime. So they leaned on their trusty lead promoter Oscar De La Hoya to figure out how to crown Andre Ward or Sergey Kovalev as lineal champion when Adonis Stevenson was already the lineal champion. So Ring magazine created a new rule that violated the very nature of the lineal championship. Ring magazine instituted mandatory defenses. If you don't fight a top 5 contender from their rankings, they can strip you (if it benefits HBO). Keep in mind all of the rules, new and old, are selectively enforced to benefit HBO and harm Showtime. But wait, this new rule would result in Canelo being stripped as well, so they made the rule even more ridiculous, you had to defend against a top 5 contender FROM ANY WEIGHT CLASS. Why? So that Amir Khan would qualify as Canelo's "mandatory" and allow Canelo to keep the title, while ridiculously stripping Adonis Stevenson of the lineal title. That's right. Canelo is middleweight champion despite never ever winning a fight with a 160 pound limit, but Adonis was stripped without losing, while remaining active, and sure enough, HBO got their wish and Andre Ward was crowned Ring magazine champion. 2. HBO is scared to death of Showtime being able to crown a lineal world heavyweight champion, so to make sure that Joshua vs Wilder can't be for the Ring title, Tyson Fury continues to be recognized as Ring champion. Doing so has required Ring to break several rules in an effort to benefit HBO and harm Showtime. #1 - TYSON FURY PUBLICLY RETIRED!!! That's right. The very thing that has always caused a lineal title to become vacant, retirement, was blatantly ignored by Ring magazine to ensure that Showtime couldn't have the heavyweight champion. But since Andre Ward is now a free agent and not obligated to HBO, he was stripped upon retirement so that HBO can try to crown a new "lineal" champion if/when Kovalev fights Barrera next year. That's right, never forget that Ring can have #2 fight #5 for the vacant "lineal" title if HBO wants them to. There is no journalistic integrity anymore, which is why every respected journalist quit the Ring ratings panel and started TBRB instead. #2 - Not only did Tyson Fury retire, he hasn't fulfilled Ring's mandatory rule about top 5 contenders. Has he been stripped like Adonis Stevenson? Nope. #3 - Tyson Fury hasn't fought in TWO YEARS. Ring rules say you are stripped after 18 months if you don't fight. Why is Fury still the champion?! #4 - Tyson Fury failed a drug test, which under Ring rules should result in you being stripped. Tyson Fury, based on FOUR DIFFERENT violations of Ring policy, was supposed to be stripped, but they haven't done it because HBO doesn't want them to. This is what happens when you allow "independent" rankings to be PURCHASED BY HBO'S LEAD PROMOTER!!! So Ring magazine says Tyson Fury is heavyweight champion, despite Tysons' public retirement, drug test failure, failure to fight a top contender in two years and failure to fight anyone at all in 18 months. Ring magazine says Canelo is middleweight champion despite Canelo publicly declaring he wasn't middleweight champion anymore and never actually winning a fight contracted at the middleweight limit. Meanwhile, Adonis Stevenson, who is the clear lineal champion, and knocked out Tony Bellew in a mandatory defense who went on to win the CRUISERWEIGHT championship and become a big name at HEAVYWEIGHT, was stripped of his Ring title for not fighting their mandatory, making them just as corrupt as any sanctioning body. Any poster who points to Ring rankings as an unbiased source should be immediately banned from this site.

I don't agree I hated it when ODLA brought mag.BUT have not SEEN ANY fav with GB fighters in their rankings.And NO WAY can you compare them to ANY alpha bit group much less WBU I don't even like writing their name.But really I can see why people will,could think that but look at their ratings and show me one that has no buis being there.I think the worst dec right now is that they have not takin Fury out as champ(although I think its coming real soon) but he has nothing to do with GB. http://www.thesweetscience.com/feature-articles/14560-occupy-the-ring

After tax that’s like 300k... Don king probably takes 30% That’s 200k left...trainer, cutman,travel,food,camp expenses etc prob 100k left after everything... that was a serious beating for 100k. most fighter get about 30% net after everthing maybe little less.If they are dumb and sign with two promoters at same time(like pac with GB when ODLH pulled the old Don King trick and showed up with bag full of cash)then maybe 25%.Guys like Joshua and esp Floyd get more closer to 40%.

Ring magazine, unfortunately, was purchased by Oscar De La Hoya. Ever since, he has interfered with the ratings, causing all of the reputable journalists to quit the magazine. Ring has broken their rules whenever it benefited an HBO fighter or harmed a Showtime fighter. Ring has changed their rules whenever it benefited an HBO fighter or harmed a Showtime fighter. At this point, Ring is less credible than the WBU. I don't agree I hated it when ODLA brought mag.BUT have not SEEN ANY fav with GB fighters in their rankings.And NO WAY can you compare them to ANY alpha bit group much less WBU I don't even like writing their name.But really I can see why people will,could think that but look at their ratings and show me one that has no buis being there.I think the worst dec right now is that they have not takin Fury out as champ(although I think its coming real soon) but he has nothing to do with GB.

According to Dan Rafael Purses for the Showtime card on Saturday night at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York: Deontay Wilder $1.4 million Bermane Stiverne $506,250 Shawn Porter $500k Adrian Granados $200k Sergei Lipinets $75k Akihiro Kondo $15k Dominic Breazeale $250k Eric Molina $90k. And reading Dan's twitter timeline, it appears as if Stiverne won't get the step aside money: https://twitter.com/danrafaelespn/status/926642194689048577 After tax that’s like 300k... Don king probably takes 30% That’s 200k left...trainer, cutman,travel,food,camp expenses etc prob 100k left after everything... that was a serious beating for 100k.

If the BWAA agreed to not name any of them and just went with THE RING or Trans con would be huge.And I see no reason unless they are being paid by these crooks not to do it. Ring magazine, unfortunately, was purchased by Oscar De La Hoya. Ever since, he has interfered with the ratings, causing all of the reputable journalists to quit the magazine. Ring has broken their rules whenever it benefited an HBO fighter or harmed a Showtime fighter. Ring has changed their rules whenever it benefited an HBO fighter or harmed a Showtime fighter. At this point, Ring is less credible than the WBU.

The best thing that could be done is for fans to become more educated about the sanctioning bodies. The media has done a terrible job of honestly covering the sport and that is a large reason why we have so many recognized bodies. If fans better understood why the bodies exist and how they operate and if the media covered them honestly, before long you would only have one or two recognized bodies (most likely the WBC and IBF). Even if we could just go back to three bodies, it would be a huge improvement for the sport. But two is ideal. I know fans say ONE CHAMPION! ONE CHAMPION! But it's not realistic. There's never been one champion in the history of boxing, going all the way back to IBU, NYSAC, NBA, etc. The best chance for "one champion" was actually five champions. Indivudal WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO champions, with the four organizations agreeing to NEVER refer to their champions as world champion and then a separate undisputed world champion agreed upon by all four bodies. It sucks that the WBO wouldn't do it. It would work for all the writer of the bigger sites like ESPM,ect because they are not talkin any money from alph bit boys at least not on top of table.

The best thing that could be done is for fans to become more educated about the sanctioning bodies. The media has done a terrible job of honestly covering the sport and that is a large reason why we have so many recognized bodies. If fans better understood why the bodies exist and how they operate and if the media covered them honestly, before long you would only have one or two recognized bodies (most likely the WBC and IBF). Even if we could just go back to three bodies, it would be a huge improvement for the sport. But two is ideal. I know fans say ONE CHAMPION! ONE CHAMPION! But it's not realistic. There's never been one champion in the history of boxing, going all the way back to IBU, NYSAC, NBA, etc. The best chance for "one champion" was actually five champions. Indivudal WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO champions, with the four organizations agreeing to NEVER refer to their champions as world champion and then a separate undisputed world champion agreed upon by all four bodies. It sucks that the WBO wouldn't do it. I agree with a lot you say and I know all about NBA and even NY title ect.But for most part there was one clear champ until what 70s.But I could not agree more about anyway to get less title's.And I do think pressure from fans can help.I know the RING,KO and few other did not name WBO and it was along time before they got any real foothold.If the BWAA agreed to not name any of them and just went with THE RING or Trans con would be huge.And I see no reason unless they are being paid by these crooks not to do it.

Well if we really stuck together and their HITS went way down it would hurt all of their ad money.But I know it almost surly never happen because people don't do s hite anymore but *****.But WE are more powerfull then WE think. oh well I can dream. The best thing that could be done is for fans to become more educated about the sanctioning bodies. The media has done a terrible job of honestly covering the sport and that is a large reason why we have so many recognized bodies. If fans better understood why the bodies exist and how they operate and if the media covered them honestly, before long you would only have one or two recognized bodies (most likely the WBC and IBF). Even if we could just go back to three bodies, it would be a huge improvement for the sport. But two is ideal. I know fans say ONE CHAMPION! ONE CHAMPION! But it's not realistic. There's never been one champion in the history of boxing, going all the way back to IBU, NYSAC, NBA, etc. The best chance for "one champion" was actually five champions. Indivudal WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO champions, with the four organizations agreeing to NEVER refer to their champions as world champion and then a separate undisputed world champion agreed upon by all four bodies. It sucks that the WBO wouldn't do it.

I'm no calling for either fight, they're both terrible IMO I just give him a pass fighting for 4m then fulfilling a mandatory obligation thereafter. I think it kinda come down to"we are not going to let you tell us who we HAVE to fight.I mean Wilders and his people are not just gonna let Hearn tell them what to do.And like I think we both agree Whtye is not somone who NEEDS to be takin care of at least not yet.I really think Hearn is scared to put such a monster cash cow in with Wilder,whyte he has and plus his boy already beat him so a loss to Whyte would not be nearly as bad from Hearn's standpoint.I think Joshua would fight him next.But he the thing he IS BIG enough now that he COULD tell Hearn"make fight now".So we will have to see

Well this site isn't going to stop recognizing the IBO as long as the IBO is paying them for recognition. Well if we really stuck together and their HITS went way down it would hurt all of their ad money.But I know it almost surly never happen because people don't do s hite anymore but *****.But WE are more powerfull then WE think. oh well I can dream.

do joshua and hearn realize the wbc is the best belt and worth 50 million dollars?

Whyte is not any better then Breazeale.Matter a fact I think that would be great fight(or close).Breazeale has beat a few top 15-20 guys that izo kid was good just did not have stamina(maybe heart)to beat him.Breazeale has shown a lot of heart at least and does have some skill too.Whyte has prob 2 top 15-20 guys(Hell,Chisora which could have been draw easy. I'm no calling for either fight, they're both terrible IMO I just give him a pass fighting for 4m then fulfilling a mandatory obligation thereafter.