I think if they had enforced matches between the best fighters they would start to get more attention, especially from people who are annoyed with "ducking" in men's boxing.
Charlo iirc. But he's had a ton of dumb lil mishaps & bs thats f#cking up fights & his career in general.
You could write a solid Playboy caliber feature length article about the bs with Andrade outside the ring & lots of it just seems to come down to him being kinda f#cking stupid &/or making bad decisions.
shame... he's got talent and quite a lot of charisma. He could have been a minor PPV fighter imo but it's prob too late for him now.
Yea trust me I know. I call him the dumbest guy in boxing outside of James Kirkland. If I saw a "Boxer shoots himself in the foot" headline my assumption is its a high % chance its Andrade related.
What's he turned down before? I always thought he was just one of those unlucky guys signed to a cr*ppy promoter.
If a guy retires and stays retired..it's not a duck. Period.
Isn't the point of this to name fighters that have been *accused* of ducking?
I think you have a good point there though...
60-40 is a fair split. The fight will be huge. I would expect about 2 million PPV buys in the Us alone. We could see comparable numbers in the UK. Joshua would easily pocket 50 million.
I think it'll be a lot lower. Hearn said himself he expects between 500k and 1 million, so you can expect it to be on the low end of that range.
In the UK I expect it to be between 1 - 1.5 million, similar numbers to Klitschko but maybe a bit less because Wilder's not as well known over here.
I honestly I think the main problem was he wasn't showing enough variety in attack so Linares was able to time him. Like Loma said after the fight "he knew about that shot" (obviously) but he just got careless.
He might be the biggest waste of talent in boxing.
Are you talking about Jack? If you are, what makes you say that?
If you're talking about Stevenson though then I'd probably agree.
Maybe when he was on PEDs he could have. But he was so aggressive before the Marquez KO, there was a chance Mayweather could have KO'd him too.
Would have been much more exciting if it happened back then.
Eddie Hearn has stated that he will be flying to New York next week to have a meeting with Wilder's team to go over the negotiations for the Joshua/Wilder fight. Hearn has said that the flat fee offer to Wilder in the amount of 12.5 million is a fair offer, and that would give Wilder a career high payday, which equates to around 5 times his highest ever purse. Hearn also stated that the fight should generate 40 million, which would give Joshua's side 27.5 million and would net Joshua 50% over his highest ever purse. That would equate to a 69/31 purse split if it was by percentages. If the fight did in fact do 40 million, and they agreed on a 60/40 purse split, that would net each team 24 million and 16 million, respectively. That's not far off, but the problem with the flat fee offer is the upside potential if the fight generates more. Hearn knows this fight is worth more than 40 million and that is why he is offering a flat fee. The only fair way to negotiate this fight is with a purse split, so each fighter can reap rewards if the fight earns more.
Do you agree that Hearn wants the fight to happen then?
I agree that he hasn't been great with Virgil, but that doesn't mean his old style was brilliant, though.
He'd be better going in a new direction but it's probably too late for that at his age.
Bit unfair to Brook. He went to USA and took Porter's belt when Porter was being very hyped. Brook can mix it at a high level, he's no joke and never a hype job.
He also had some sh1t mandatories given to him when IBF title holder, again, not really his fault.
I think Brook's legit, probably only behind Spence (and Crawford now) at 147. But the opponents he faced between Porter and GGG made him look like Sugar Ray Robinson, that's all I'm saying.
You're a ****ing mong.. not a single example you listed actually fit your accusations lol.
Brook got easy meat early in his career with FRANK WARREN...
When he signed with Eddie he beat porter..faced poor opposition in MANDATORIES and then fought golovkin and spence back to back
Crolla got easy meat and got beaten with FRANK WARREN...when he went with Eddie he fought Farley's Perez twice back to back.. then took on barroso when everyone said he'd lose. Lol. He then lost against Linares twice. .so how is that easy touches?!?
When has Callum Smith been fed buns that are well beneath his stature at any point in his career that others haven't? You think it was uncle Eddie that got him his opponents to reach the final of WBSS?
Quigg? Wtf are you about? He literally just fought and lost in a title fight and only fought fringe levels after hiatus'. Funnily enough after getting injuries like in his frampton loss.
Dillian Whyte signed to matchroom after he fought AJ... Since then he's had shoulder surgery and two fights to ease that injury back in..then fought a known gatekeeper chisora in a FOTY contender... Then fought a multiple time EBU champion who never wanted to throw and a former world champion that people on here thought would be a challenge before they saw his belly. Who else is he supposed to fight in his position when he's now WBC #1 and could fight for mandatory for the IBF?
Fair enough youre a Hearn hater.. but at least back it up with solid facts.
Frankie Gavin, Diego Chavez (who they tried to fight at one point) and Rabchenko were not mandatories. They were fights at a level and a style to make Brook look good, that's it.
Why did you think Barosso and Perez were so dangerous? What have they really done before or since? Of course people thought that they would win because Hearn hyped them up so much. That's my point!
Look, you can disagree with me about style matchups but I think Fielding, Mohoumadi, Rebrasse were perfectly made for Smith. And, yes you're right, Hearn probably didn't have a hand in picking the WBSS opponents, but you can't exactly say Smith has looked *good* in those fights can you? So doesn't that just demonstrate my point?
I don't know why you wrote that paragraph about Whyte. What I was talking about just comes down to whether you thought Browne was any good before the fight. He could have fought Miller instead which would have been harder fight for him style wise imo. If he fights Pulev next that will be a good fight though. :boxing:
No. He got knocked out by the guy jacobs is fighting who people considered 'trash' opponent. If Sulecki is a trash opponent for Jacobs then Centeno must be a tomato can, but people won't say that because Cubs Only.
Sulecki is good though, I think he's being a bit underated.
Shows how clueless some of the morons are on here. Eddie doesn't pick the opponents, the trainers and managers do. Eddie says I can pay you x for that opponent and y for that opponent and then the fighter, trainer and manager will choose the opponent. Virgil Hunter picked Lo Greco for Khan, not Eddie. Eddie is about the only promoter who works for his fighters and not vice versa and that's why he's the best in the game.
They work together to pick the opponents which is actually what you said, so I'm not sure why you're calling other people morons.
Clearly its a tactic of his to help hype his fighters which is why it happens for lots of them who have different trainers / managers.
Khan was coming off a two year lay off and a couple of hand operations. It was never labelled as anything more than what it was.
that however has nothing to do with the examples you gave and you shot yourself in the foot by naming Crolla, WHyte and Smith, all men fighting on or around the world level continuously.
Whyte actually has a better claim to fighting for the wbc title than moobzilla, yet your man wilder aint fighting him. Showtime will use fatzeale and promote him as some sort of top contender and a threat.
So concentrate on your own son and be a little bit smarter next time.
Look, you can fight "around world level" and still choose the fights that are stylistically the easiest for you. And, I talked about those fighters in response to another post btw.
WTF? I'm not even a Wilder fan, I've never said that I am. FYI I think Joshua KO's him in 3 rounds. I'm just tired of predictable, risk free fights from Hearn and the over the top hype that follows, that's all I've spoken about.
What's annoying is you probably agree in part about that, but you think we're having an argument about something else...
Khan was coming off a two year lay off and a couple of hand operations. It was never labelled as anything more than what it was.
EDIT: I've just remembered Hearn actually did call Lo Greco "world class/ fringe world class" after the fight:
https://twitter.com/UKBoxingHub/status/987837782595907585?s=19
Your right, he tried to line up Wilder for Whyte for this season. Unfortunately he is #AndStillNo1BumFighter so didn't take the bait
Wilder should have fought Whyte imo. But even so, there were better fights out there for Whyte than Browne at the same level e.g. Jarrell Miller but he probably would have been stylistically a tougher fight so they went with Browne.
I think you're in danger of criticising him for doing his job!
He has to perform a balancing act like any promoter. He has to give his boxers fights that will help them progress and not damage their marketability, or more importantly their health.
He also has to deliver fights that boxing fans want to see, which inevitably involve risk.
The two are not neccesarily aligned but he has to please both if he's to be a lasting success.
On the whole as the list posted above suggests he's doing a good job of providing some very entertaining, high profile matchups. The price that the fan pays is the occasional stinker like that London beef rubbish or feeding that guy to Conor benn.
Although having said all that, this weekend Frank warren delivered a far stronger nights entertainment, so although I think you're a little harsh on EH he's definitely not beyond criticism...
This is fair, things are the way they are in boxing and he's very good at making the most out of it for him/ his top fighters.
I just get bored of the predictable cycle of poor mismatches followed by ridiculous hype that surrounds all his fighters. And I dread to think what will happen if he gets more influence.
And this thread in the wake of one of the most one sided cards in recent times over on Haymon world. Charlo, since facing Trout has had 3 cake walks, one against a disable man. Davis just fought a man coming out of retirement...the top dogs at welter are yet to fight each other and the claim is Hearn is the worst at cherry picking opponents? cmon man
I'm not just criticising the mismatches though, I criticising the fact that Hearn's mismatches are labelled as credible fights and for some reason fans lap it up.
When Haymon puts on bad fights, his fighters get sl*gged off constantly as being cherries ect. F*ck, even when he puts on good fights they called mismatches, sometimes!
Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if Haymon put on Khan vs Lo Greco in the US? Or do you think if he knocked him out that would have make him a legit contender at 147? People were called Thurman a cherry picker for Alexander after more than a year out the ring (and he was actually seriously injured, unlike Khan).
and haymons is so much better? tank and charlo had great opponents didnt they :lol1:
I don't really know what to say to this except yes, their opponents were better.
This is BS. He builds his fighters. It's only because he has so many shows and so many fighters that you think this.
Bellew v Haye
Brook v Spence
Brook v Golovkin
Campbell v Linares
Joshua v Klitschko
Joshua v Parker
Crolla v Burns
Whyte v Browne
Allen v Thomas
Eggington v Mimoune
Buglioni v Johnson
That's just in the last 12/18 months where he has matched his fighters hard, and I'm sure there's some examples I'm forgetting.
If they don't win it's because they are not good enough, not because he hasn't matched them hard enough in their upbringing. But he has done his job by making them headliners and making them lots of money.
I'm not saying he doesn't put on good fights. Of course he does, he has to because those are usually the ones where he gets paid. The problem is all the cr*ppy fights he uses to build up those fights. e.g every Brook fight (except for Spence/ Golovkin) are against mostly the same style of sh*t come forward Eastern Europeans who can't box.
I'm not hating on him, he does have a lot of restrictions on who he can get over here, so that makes it hard. But it's just so boring when the sport is so formulaic and predictable.
I agree with the bit in bold btw, my point was just that his fighters mostly don't live up to the hype that he manages to create in some people.
I agree with that.
But I think that's set to change with some of the younger prospects he's got coming through like Kelly, Burnett, Fowler and Buatsi.
He's getting alot of fighters with big amateur pedigree now.
I think they're good youngsters but that probably means the hype around them is going to stratospheric. For example Kelly's a good prospect, but calling him the next Lomachenko after the fights he's had is pushing things to the extreme.