What can we do to help women's boxing?

I mean this happened already. People signed girls when Martin & Ali were hot. Mia St. John. Ann Wolfe. Lucia Rijiker. F#cking Tonya Harding even had some pro fights. There are a ton of names from back in the day too that where with notable promoters & making moves. This ain't really THAT much different outside of the Olympic angle that I suspect promoters thing will have more importance to fans + the MMA's ability to translate female fighters into headliners with men on undercards for cheap. Who are the female amateurs who stayed amateur into their 30's? I'd hope it has some influence. I just can't see it having as much influence as it needs to be able to make a sustaining high level product. I'd compare female boxing to some random lil guy division. Sure there are times when that specific lil guy division is hotter than other times. But there are only like 500 guys in that division so its not deep enough to keep things at a high level all the time. Thats womens boxing. Its gonna have ups & downs. If the Olympic options is around then I think its possible things don't dip as low as it was before Christy Martin or even after Ali, but I don't think the Olympics is a given. They talk about getting rid of Olympic boxing every other Olympics almost & I won't be surprised if within the next 20yrs we've seen the last Olympic boxing tournament. Maybe something will take the place of it & it'll be w/e, but if its not then that'll impact womans & likely mens boxing to some degree. The 2 most famous female amateurs are Taylor and Adams, both Olympic gold medalists that just turned pro after the 2016 Olympics, Adams was 34 and Taylor was 30 when they turned pro, there are countless other amateurs that retired from amateur boxing without ever going pro, I'm not going to list them all, but take my word for it that there are a lot of female amateurs that never go pro, why? because they don't see an opportunity, because there wasn't any. now for the first time there is a concerted push in women's boxing, mostly in the U.K right now, and added to the fact that since 2012 women amateurs can compete at the Olympics. Nicola Adams was the first woman to win an Olympic boxing title in 2012, since women are now being recognised at a sporting level in boxing at the Olympics, that is a huge deal and why I think your comparison to the past doesn't apply. For the first time we have double gold winning women entering the pro game, and now female amateurs can win medals at the Olympics and become famous in their own right, and the attitude towards it has changed. I also think there is an attitude in the media that is encouraging women to be and do whatever they want, so if you add all that up - women winning gold medals and becoming OBE's and female amateurs now having a goal to becoming an Olympic champ, and the concerted push from every promoter in the U.K and fights on every card........ massive difference to the past that you are alluding to, and something I am certain will grow after the net Olympics..... now we have Olympic medalists with big names blazing a trail for any young girls coming up.

The premise is not well-established. OP asks, 'What can we do to help...' without asking the more relevant question of, 'Should we help...' and the answer to that question is not so easy. I'm just gonna outline what I think about a few aspects of women's boxing, in general, before giving my answer to the question of, 'Should we help women's boxing' (clue: my answer is no) Do I enjoy seeing more females in the gym? Yes, as long as they are putting the work in, there's no difference between males and females. Hell, I've seen brave-hearted tiny women who put some supposedly big'n'brawny men to shame. It takes guts to step in the ring no matter who you are. Over the years, I've seen a steady increase in numbers of females at the gym. If they earn their respect, like anyone else, it's all good. The snowflakes don't last too long, anyway Is it good for the character development of females to be involved with combat/contact sports? Undoubtedly, yes Do I watch women's boxing? Amateur: all the time. At novice-level, women are generally more skilful, actually. At pro-level, I'll watch when it seems decent (which is rare). I resent sh*t matchups, no matter whether male or female Are there particular challenges for women who want to box? Yes. This thread alone illustrates the biases people in the boxing-world can have against women's boxing. Plus, at pro-level, there just aren't the numbers of boxers around to create quality matchups all the time (hence, low income) ...So, should we help women's boxing? If by 'help', it is meant that we should make some special effort to get women's boxing off the ground and to make it more popular, etc., then my answer is a firm, 'No'. The main reason I say this is because boxing is a hard sport, probably the hardest sport going, mentally, physically, everything... if we are making allowances for people to participate, whether by 'pushing' women's boxing through campaigns and awareness and suchlike, or by lessening our standards, then that is a position that surely will only backfire in the longrun. All that can be expected is that, at grass-roots level, people are open-minded enough to allow females to come and work in the gym. If that translates, over time, to more female boxers (am & pro), then great, but if not, we should not force it There is a dangerous, insidious edge to the OP's question, in that it implies that women need our help, or that the world would be somehow better--more equal perhaps--if only there were more women seen to be boxing. As I say, the 'should' premise of the question requires careful thought. The best thing that can be done, I think, is to simply make sure women know that the door is open... as to whether women then choose to go through that door is completely up to them. Women's boxing deserves our support, but only in the same sort of way that men's boxing deserves our support Side note: F. X. Toole's short story, 'Million Dollar Baby' is a great little read, for anyone who hasn't read it, or seen the film

GGG with no power lmfao. Tell me this girl doesn't fight like GGG with no power :rofl:

Oh no doubt there is definitely a push by promoters who've signed these notable female fighters that are invested in making womens boxing bigger & therefore they are getting more attention. Where is that attention really going though? I mean Hardy has been getting pushed by DiBella for awhile now, granted she's got no Olympic medal, & she's still decided to make a last ditch play for more success in MMA cuz she's burning daylight with her athletic career & nothing was happening in boxing. I thought YOU were saying something like that. Thats what Christy Martin & Laila Ali were back in the day. Martin was a mainstay on Tyson cards for awhile iirc. And I think Mia St. John & Butterbean were on damn near every TR card for awhile. It can change opinion. About those 2 girls in that epic fight. The sport lacks the depth to do much beyond what specific high level girls can do at the elite level in those rare opportunities when they get a chance to fight. GGG with no power lmfao. I think you are in the tiny minority of people who've been seduced with the idea of a female fight. I think whatever is more likely to present more KO's to fans is needed. If smaller gloves creates more KO's or 3min rounds or something else I'm not thinking of idk, but female boxing needs KO's by any means necessary. But there are still gonna need depth with more girls wanting to fight & since most girls don't enjoy competing in any competitive sport past HS age & even less of that segment wanna participate in a getting hit in the head sport its always gonna be a uphill climb to get females boxing anyway. Boxing might be the hardest sport to get girls interested in. At least in MMA there is still a lot of wrestling & BJJ & less hitting each other upside the head. Do you not think that gaining exposure and girls featuring on every card going forward will elevate it in some way, and possibly allow more amateurs to make the jump to the pro game? because IMO there are a lot of amateur female boxers that just stay as amateurs into their 30's to receive support, now they might actually go to one Olympics and then make the jump into the pro's. I can definitely see that as we have just had Taylor, Cameron and Savannah Marshall (Mayweather promotions, fighting on Fury/Sexton card) make that jump in the last year. After the next Olympics in 2020 I can imagine a lot of the female amateurs moving into the pro's if Taylor, Cameron and the rest are even remotely successful, and in turn I can see more females getting into boxing. I don't think that the women's game will go back to what it was 5 years ago, with hardly any female boxers or fight on cards, in fact, I think it will increase the number of boxers on the female side over time, I can see it plateauing after a while but never going back to what it was, so I think those 4 boxers will be around for a while, and more will join them in a few years.

I hope not! Shalom! Well said homie.. Shalom! May GOD bless you and everyone you meet in your journey.. Peace. Shalom.

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The easiest way to help women's boxing is to beat them into submission so they don't ever think of becoming boxers. As-Salaam-Alaikum Agreed, except for a few things, I hit and shatter my hand again on Mohomo/Allah/Islam/stupid azz punk mother ****er who glance at me side ways. Are you a Muslim?

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The easiest way to help women's boxing is to beat them into submission so they don't ever think of becoming boxers. As-Salaam-Alaikum

Topless boxing? I'm all for that... :beerchug: :boobies: Might I suggest g strings, high heels, jello and me as the ref? Jhonny rolling blunts, my woman saying z is gonna be Z. I don't like seeing chicks fighting, unless they are both naked and sleeping next to me... Ay dios mio is what my momma said when I disrespect the house I bought her and had to fine Japanese wimmin with me. My dad was never prouder of me. I used to have it like that... Not no more.. Never again. My dong rocks up, but I can't pull wimmin like I used to... Time. That's the nature of time. Peace brother...

Not much can be done, either you in to womans boxing or you are not.

Honestly i dont want to help womens pro boxing. Its weak beyond belief. I'd like to see it die and see them stick to the amateurs. Winning a gold medal for your country at the olympics is a beautiful thing. They should be satisfied with that. Why aren't they satisfied with that?

There might be more overall women boxers, but amateur boxing is a niche of a niche of a niche sport lol. And idk that there IS more pro female fighters. If there is its by a small %. You are optimistic as f#ck I'll give you that. But there are divisions on the mens side who people complain are garbage divisions that have more fighters than ALL OF womens boxing. This is a decades long journey best case. And I just don't see womens boxing getting THAT big with the realities & likeliness of needed changes taking place. Okay so you got a fight that might get some attention across the pond, but then what? Whats the next fight? There is no next fight when the divisions are so shallow. You need 1,000-2,000 boxers in a division for there to be some cream that rises to the top that can create a sustainable product for the fans to watch. There currently is only one female division that has over 150 girls (Flyweight). Thats honestly where they need to be building there stars from not these big girl divisions where most of the names are at. Hell those names aren't probably THAT strong. They are just the clear leader in a weaker division thus they now got a name. Almost a third of the girls who box are at 112-126. Thats where promoters should be focusing their energies. Thats where iron is gonna sharpen iron. But my main point is this is a long journey for female boxing that the girls currently boxing will be long retired before they see it IF it ever can become enough of a thing to be worldwide popular in the first place. I agree with what you are saying but I just think there is a change going on, I've watched 20+ press conferences that had a women on the panel in the last year, before it was 0, once in a blue moon. I think that you're maybe thinking that I think the female side of the sport will be a success some day, and that it will become even remotely as popular as the mens game.....nope, I don't. What I have been seeing is 1 female fight per card in most UK shows, and a few from the U.S. Guaranteed you will see Cameron on a Josh Taylor (or Frampton before) card, I've watched her live twice now, and she has won me over. Same with Taylor, she has been on AJ cards and has actually headlined a card...... my point is that I don't see the women getting big exposure, or there being many fights, but I definitely think it is on the up and can maybe be accepted as a regular feature on most undercards, at least one fight.... I still maintain that an epic fight between two women can change opinion... but like you said it needs 3 minute rounds and smaller gloves, until then there is no danger, even when there is a big skill gap I see the other surviving for 10+ rounds taking loads of shots (women are tough, they just can't punch hard) I still think the women's game is in it's early phase and just getting started, I can name and will watch 3 fighters in the U.K currently, whereas I was against it a few years ago. Cameron especially has changed my mind, she reminds me of GGG with no power lol and I believe she beats Taylor, and that is the only fight I want to see......but at least I want to see a fight? It all hinges on them giving them smaller gloves and 3 minute rounds, I truly believe that. It's the same reason why I don't watch a women's tennis final that finishes in 2 rounds, it's ****e......but I believe it can be good at least, and become a regular feature on every undercard with the occasional main event when a decent rivalry is built in the same weight class.

Kill it off. Its ugly and trash.

I don't think there are enough women for some worldwide movement. There are like 1,500 female boxers. And about 15% of them are in dead divisions with less than 50 people in them. That sounds well & good, but the end game with all this is the same. There are no fights for these girls or there are few fights for these girls. So womans boxing is gonna be a niche market in a niche sport til they do something to get more women in boxing & most importantly to make it more entertaining so they will attract more fans who wanna see specific womens fights. This is a decades long process best case so yea they ARE just starting out if you believe this can be a worldwide sport on the level of mens boxing or other sports. I'd vote against that happening. One thing I seldom hear is "oh sh^t I can't wait til the next Katie Taylor/Claressa Shields/Heather Hardy (or whoever) fight". You need that to be a thing & thats not close to being a thing cuz none of the ladies who could get attention like that right now can punch & there are no fights to make or there is a 1 off Ali vs Frazier type situation fight to make. You're right, there isn't a lot of female boxers right now, but there is a lot more than there was 2 years ago, lots of amateurs now becoming pro's and getting on major cards and being viewed by a lot of people. I couldn't name 1 female boxer a few years ago, now, through Taylor, Cameron and Adams I have seen more women fights than ever in my 20+ years of wayching boxing regularly. Of course there is no fights for them, becase it's just getting started, the trail blazed by Admas. Taylor etc has made more woman and amateurs make the jump to the pro game with more and more women now believing they have a chance, it all comes down to opportunity, before, they never thought it was a worthwhile career, now there is a glimmer of hope with a few names out there. In my previous comment I said there was 2 of the 3 names in British boxing in the same division. I truly believe we have a future fight that could headline or co-headline a big event with Taylor vs Cameron, it's not a British fight but Ireland vs Britain and will be just as big. These two will clash, and it could be the spark that is needed in the womens game (I would definitely tune in if they fought, and I have never been interested in the womens game). All it will take is lighter gloves, 3 minute rounds and a defining fight like taylor/cameron to make people get on board.

Thats not true women's boxing has had ups & downs in the past. Christy Martin was the first female boxier I remember seeing getting attention back in the day (mid 90's til early 00's). Then things transitioned to Laila Ali when she came around. Ali had the torched passed to her via a W over Martin + had a PPV fight vs Joe Frazier's daughter (think it did around 100k buys). Then after she left in 2007 its been dead ever since. Now they are trying to reboot womans boxing at the more mainstream level Martin & Ali reached off of the Olympic girls who've been able to make names for themselves + I believe the success MMA has had with female fighters. Problem is it took Martin YEARS to first get attention & Ali had her name + the ability to get the rub from beating Martin. And these girls where knocking b^tches out. Ali ended her career with a 24-0 (21) record. Martin ended her career at 49-7-3 (31). Meanwhile the leading names around today can't punch for sh^t. Cecilia Braekhus, 32-0 (9) Christina Hammer, 22-0 (10) Heather Hardy, 20-0 (4) Katie Taylor, 8-0 (4) Claressa Shields, 5-0 (2) Nicola Adams, 3-0 (2), she's the only one looking like she can hit thus far, but she's And people like their KO's. And people who aren't big KO punchers often lack in exciting the public on the mens side so its a solid bet to do the same on the womens side since there is no evidence there is some game changing huge audience of females watching female boxing that could alter the standard of what excites fans. But it has never been "up" apart from a couple fights in one country that the rest of the world didn't care about, that proves to me that women's boxing has never been accepted (if that was women's boxing ceiling then just forget about it, scrap it)......so, I believe in the current climate, with women's rights and the current movement, that women's boxing is just getting started. Like I said before, you have the main boxing country in the world right now with every major promoter pushing a woman, I believe it is gaining traction, and the more publicity it gets then the more women will take up the sport, that's obvious. I believe a lot of girls would look at Ali's daughter or Frazier's daughter in a one-off event and think "well my dad isn't a famous boxer, what's the point?", whereas now, we see Taylor on Sky Sports on AJ cards, Cameron on Ch5, Adams on BT, at nearly every event, so there is a concerted movement going on and, therefore, I believe womens boxing is just getting started - by that I mean it was never popular or mainstream, and now it is becoming the norm.

Quite simple and i'm being serious,Dress like how the men do.Obviously wear shorts to cover downstairs,however upstairs,NO.It will make millioms for the Female Boxers though,so is it worth it ?

what if the winners puzzy is full of blood? Then it's a blood bath :boxing:

Pretend we want to see it and force ourselves to watch.

What if the losers mouth is all bloody doe? Wouldn't be into that. what if the winners puzzy is full of blood?