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The current Cotto could beat Berto. The old Cotto would destroy Berto. any Cotto > Berto......more entertaining too.

Your 'facts' don't indicate that he's underrated. Most have no relevance to his in ring performances. Look he's not underrated because he hasn't accomplished much to warrant the label, but at the same time he's not overrated either because most people don't believe his supposed greatness yet. He looks like a solid fighter that is getting better with proper training that suffered a hiccup in his career that he wasn't supposed to. Now when Malignaggi beats him, then you will hear him being called overrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD91QpMH5no:wtf1: How did Gonzalez's corner not riot and have a shit fit. I would have KTFO of the referee. Complete disgrace to boxing.

Looking at the fights and videos and being a Dirrell fan..... The man has horrible leg placement. I constantly looks like he's trying to make movements and move around without properly having his feet beneath him. When he goes back I noticed his legs are way too wide and he's losing balance. He really needs to clean that up. However, as far as the AA fight slip goes that one looks completely accidental. I'm not going to get into the foul which caused the DQ, but the trip that led to it did appear accidental and has people have stated it was a really poor effort that went into clearing the corner. Dirrell's style off back pedaling action/reaction type of boxing will cause him to slip often so you can expect trips, falls, and slips in his fights apparently. He got away with it in his past fights, but these hiccups in his fights will cost him in the future as he may go down simultaneously with a punch and lose points. Either way this is something that we'll all have to keep our eyes on.

Really? Personally I think it would be a fun match to watch. Of course I'd give the edge the Marquez, but Vic can make it a fun fight. It isn't the best match up, but I would be fun to see for however long it lasts.

HE didnt SUE Mayorga He put a bond against the fight happening, Don King said he is lining up a title match for Mayorga against Felix Sturm Prime Vs Prime, Mayorga by brutal KO...worse than what Margarito did to CottoMayorga is vastly overrated. His best performances came like 7 years ago against Forrest. Past Forrest he lost all big fights and pre-Forrest he was fighting bums and nobodies. I like Mayorga but even the Mayorga that fought Trinidad and de la Hoya during his 'prime' would lose to Cotto. The dude has limited skill and is a bit too macho for his own good. Cotto by KO just like de la Hoya and Trinidad.

I think this fight would be similar to the fight Cotto had with Torres..I really don't believe that Mayorga has enough left to be real competitive.

The Mayorga that fought Mosley would give Cotto hell, Mayo's strong, powerful, and tough. I wouldn't be sure on an outcome, but I might favour Mayorga... Although, I don't really know what Mayorga has left now.A current Mayorga would suffer a brutal KO. Cotto showed he still has plenty left, and Mayorga has been inactive and has lost against top tier opposition sans Forrest, but that was years ago. He didn't even get hit too much against Mosely and got hurt. He doesn't have the same resilience he had when he fought Forrest. The Trinidad and de la Hoya fights have hurt him in the long run, because they were genuine ass whoopings.

I don't see how he could miss Cotto. I don't see Cotto being too aggressive when he's beaten to the punch consistently. Even iron-chinned Mosley got shy against Mayweather. I'd give Cotto a definite chance against plenty of guys. Just not the top 5 at 154. Or the top 3 at 147.Out of curiosity what are your top 5 at 154? Cotto can probably be competitive with bulk of them.

Mayorga beating Vernon not once but TWICE is pretty much the most inexplicable thing I've ever witnessed in Boxing. Vernon was near the top of the P4P list along with Jones and Barrera and then some crude brawler bangs on him TWICE? I think he just had his number, had that style that perfectly countered Forest. Mayorga beating Forest doesn't mean he would beat Cotto in his prime. I think the difference in skill level was pretty apparent and the only negative you can say about Miguel's performance is that maybe he wasn't aggressive enough, but aside from a few right hooks and an uppercut or two and some entertaining moments, Ricardo was beaten soundly and had the life/fighting spirit whacked out of him by a classic Cotto left hook. At no point in their respective careers does Mayorga beat Cotto.Agreed. Could not have said it better myself.

Dude will be fine. I've only seen a handful of Hatton fights but from what I can tell Canelo has him beat in all aspects. Unless Hatton pulls off some intangible gutsy performance or Canelo royally screws up this should be a nice coming out victory for him.

I was knee deep into boxing back then, but why don't you answer my question, Mr. Boxing Scholar, and post a win that warrented the hype. I say this because since "I don't know sh1t about boxing", maybe you can enlighten me on this subject.I think the point that they are trying to make is that despite the fact that you call his opposition bums many were veterans, had experience, and he was a champ at the time. The fact that he was a KO artist warranted him all the hype. Much like Pavlik today. Prior to the Taylor fight he was supposed to be a monster. He had unwarranted hype and exposure due to the sole reason he had power.

1) Hatton lost his undefeated mindset , big career hit for a brawler . 2) Hatton lost his punch resistance also effected by above . 3) Hatton lost his old trainer and tried to reinvent himself , he did this looking for somebody to blame for his KO loss to Floyd , the first time he got clipped he was wobbled struggling with a lightweight journeyman they dragged out of retirement . 4) His weight problems went ballistic after Floyd , if you look at Hattons body in the Floyd fight and look at Hattons body in the Pac fight there is a world of difference , with Floyd he was pumped with Pac he looked rung out , yet he weighed the same fight night 152-3 When Hatton fought Floyd he was a beast that was carrying his country on his back he was so confident he felt invincible and more Hatton was hyped by the media the more steel minded he got ,,,, but then he got demoralized by Floyd , mentally raped beaten at his own rough house game and then beat up and finally the coup de gra KOed ,,, it was a huge loss for Hatton and it took a part of his soul , the part that wins fights for brawlers . Hatton was not near the same animal after Floyd enough of this bullshit that Hatton was still tip top .1. Undefeated mindset? In his fights after the Mayweather fight he still very much had a hungry mindset. He stopped Paulie in the match and limited his movements, not easily done. He was also hungry in the Pac and tried too hard to go for the KO. Did not have a deflated mentality. 2. Punch resistance issue came from an accumulation of things. 46 prior fights and a lack of defense probably doesn't do much to help your resistance. Plus, I don't care who Pacquiao fought. Any boxer who gets hit with those punches is going to sleep. That was a lack of defense that caused that KO, not 'punch resistance'. 3. Boxers often try to reinvent themselves. Especially after a loss. Cotto for instance is reinventing himself with Manny going back to the basics. Currently Khan has undergone a complete transition both technically and physically. Just happens his is going well. 4. Hatton has always had weight issues. That was brought on by himself, and the Mayweather fight has nothing to do with how he treats his body.

I can understand people saying Hatton is shot mentally, but the fact is he lost to 2 of the best fighters in the world. He needs to take better care of himself though. Wouldnt be suprised if he didnt fight again. Margarito I dont think is shot, he was damaged mentally/distracted during the Mosley fight due to the situation with the wraps also Mosley fought a great gameplan hold and smother Marg then load up full force on punches. Cotto while I thought was shot at first but now although he is damaged the loss of his father and hiring Steward may revitalize him, well see. All are still good fighters.I agree 100%. Hatton was not shot when he faced Pacquiao. Margarito is not shot, but I will wager anything that he is definitely on the decline. The Cotto and Mosely fight took something away from him, and the long layoff will not help his cause. He is however now exposed completely and a fight with Pacquiao will all but finish him off IMO. Cotto is far from shot also. He is fought well against Clottey even with the eye issue and was simply exposed technically by Pac/Roach. His lone 2 losses came at the hands of a supposed cheat(who was ranked P4P at the time) and a P4P great and Fighter of the Decade. Nothing to be too bummed about.

Erik Morales is dominated by Zahir Raheem...BOOM Pacquiao fights him Oscar Larrios is KO'd in 3 rds by Israel Vasquez...BOOM Pacquiao fights him Oscar De La Hoya is beaten convincingly by Floyd Mayweather....BOOM Pacquiao fights him at a weight he hasnt fought at in several years Ricky Hatton is knocked out by Floyd Mayweather....BOOM Pacquiao fights him Miguel Cotto is beaten to a pulp by Margarito....BOOM Pacquiao fights him See the pattern?To his defense of the Morales fight. I believe that the Raheem fight occurred during a night where they were already scheduled to fight and they both fought that night as a sort of build up where they were both supposed to win. Pacquiao took care of business where Morales was already on the decline. Let's not forget that Morales had beaten Pacquiao in his prior fight. The others are iffy.....Hatton had 2 convincing wins before he fought, Cotto had one good win and then a hell of a fight in which he had to give his all under grueling circumstances, ODLH screwed himself really with the whole weight issue and the BS that drama that surrounded that fight. Larios wasn't an elite in my book in the first place....but he did have to move up to 130 from 122 to fight him. Other than the ODLH, Pacquiao can't really be discredited. And the DLH fight was Oscar's fault anyway.

Probably have to say Mayorga. He was pretty mean at 147, but would probably have to score a KO. Pac has a pretty good chin himself. Would be a great hypothetical fight though, good old fashioned war.

hold up hold up hold up lol.... i HAD to say something, plain out said "no one cares about heavies having skill"...common now thats ur opinion if u think that no one cares about heavies having skill lol... shit 50,000 people in europe watch wlad do work on chambers...but i dont think that many people cared...nah thats ur opinion...relax...u said something...i disagreed...keep it movingThe Klits are celebrities in Germany not Europe. If they fought anywhere else the number would be much slimmer. Don't you ever notice that house fighters always have a big crowd? If they were straight up punchers with their record they would skill still have a fan base. Their skill is completely irrelevent to the fact that they have a large fan base in again Germany where they are the best thing since the hamburger. And I didn't say no one care about heavies not having skill just that when you see a heavyweight fight you expecting a KO aren't you?

Jesus Christ man what is it with you? Im not asking Wlad to fight aggressive. Im not asking him to change his style. I dont give a fukk if he changes his style or not. That doesnt mean I have to watch it? It doesnt mean I cant watch Adamek-Haye instead. Just because I find Floyds amazing skill and technique exciting doesnt mean I have to find watching a guy who is bigger, faster, stronger then everyone he fights with KO power in both hands and who JABS for 12 rounds exciting. I rather see Adamek-Haye since when is that a crime?I'll just add that its also more than just punching display with Floyd. Its fun watching Floyd's defense and crazy reflexes. Counter punches also give you something else to watch. Whereas the Klits are just jab-jab, ha you can't reach my head, jab-jab, punch, still can't physically reach me........7-12 rounds later KO.

I agree 100%. He wins. More power to him. I dont expect him to change his style. I just rather watch Haye fight Adamek.Yeah I agree. I would also have to say that the dimensions of the Klits make for boring fights and they can't be held accountable for that. They are not going to fight on the inside, so the whole jab-jab punch thing is all they really need to keep off these much smaller dudes. Haye/Adamek would be a whole lot more exciting as they would have the chance to really get at each other. O, the Haye/Valuev fight sucked because of my first reason. Dimensions made for a crappy fight, Haye did his thing but looked bad.

How are the Klit bros bad? It's not their fault that the rest of the HW division cannot beat them. And moreover, fighters like Chris Arreola make fights with them *for money* when they are not ready to take them on yet. If the rest of the HW division would try to maybe fight each other, gain some experience, and produce 2 or 3 top contenders, then maybe one of them would have a chance to beat one of the Klit bros.This topic has been beaten several times. TS is pointing out that he believes the Klits are boring NOT bad he praises them several times for doing their thing but he does not find their fights entertaining. That is all.

Considering Manny later re-canted that statement when he found out Floyd had a fractured hand. So we move on........ Why did Manny tell him to FIGHT? Why? Why are you comparing a guy with 1 punch KO power in both hands to Mayweather? Wait why the hell are we talking about Floyd anyway? Im on a heavyweight high right now my dude. Maybe tomorrow,I understand your argument and ranting about the Klits bro, but seriously they fight the fight they have to. They have been beating ass in a strategy that works for them and have had good results. 84% and 90% KO percentage is pretty damn impressive also for guys who are 'boring'.

hold up hold up hold up lol.... i HAD to say something, plain out said "no one cares about heavies having skill"...common now thats ur opinion if u think that no one cares about heavies having skill lol... shit 50,000 people in europe watch wlad do work on chambers...but i dont think that many people cared...nah thats ur opinion...relax...u said something...i disagreed...keep it movingBTW if you noticed my examples both of those men had a good degree of skill and were quite good. Tyson was very skilled but still managed to deliver the KO. You still haven't given me any current heavyweights that can fit the mold of Ali or Frazier who can use a skill above everyone else and be exciting at the same time.

Even the very skilled Ali went to war when he had to his fights were very exciting. His argument holds no weight once you realize that Floyd is not bigger and stronger then everyone he faces and he doesnt have 1 punch power in both hands. I like My Heavies to bang.Think we all do man. Like I said we have come to expect KO's at Heavyweight. If you not even trying then you do not belong on a televised heavyweight bout. However, like I had said the Klits do deliver KO's, they just use a methodical way that doesn't look quite highlight reel material.

your a ******, u mad cause they cant be beat? Look I would like to see haye beat wlad and tomas fight viti. 2 quality fights. dont get jealous cause american heavyweights are lazy slobs and dont want to put the hard work in. instead they eat fried foods and amercian fast foodsHey dummy he's praising 2 European boxers and would love to see those two same European boxers go at it. Has nothing to do with where they are from. Though Adamek as you probably know fights out of New Jersey.

I thought the last minute icing of Eddie Chambers was entertaining as hell. Other than the Sultan, Wlady has laid out everyone of his opponents since Samuel Peter. (Now, that was an entertaining fight. A scared Wladimir, but eventually cracking Sams head pretty good. I'm glad Emanuel Lewis polished him and turned his career around). I think it's more that we get bored by a foregone conclusion. That the Klitchos will win.I agree. BTW I personally like the Klits, I was just making the point of the TS.

Let me try this again: Since when is Floyd 6-6, 245 Pounds with 1 punch power in both hands? "You're a big man, fight like one dammit!!" ------Manny Steward Why are you comparing him to a 5-9 dude with glass hands? :thinking: Makes NO sense. Believe he's saying that since you enjoy Floyd's fights and he isn't a known all action kind of guy and relies on skill then you should also enjoy the Klits because they rely on skill as well. Therefore if you find skill sets to be exciting then you would like the Klits as well. However, no one watches heavyweights for skill.....we want Tyson and Foreman type s**t.

thats not what people thought about frazier and ali...or holmesDo you see anyone in the current heavyweight picture with skill sets that can even come close to the mentioned boxers? I wait while you do.

With recent news of boxers dying after taking shots they probably shouldn't have I have no problem with Cotto opting to bow out and give Margarito his props. I for one have just started boxing and currently sparring and I can tell you that taking shots even with headgear on is not fun. Doing what you have to do to preserve your life and career is nothing to criticize a boxer about. Had Cotto been injured during the fight permanently all the people making fun of him would probably be singing a different tune and saying the fight should have stopped.

Cotto is definetly a better boxer, but I'd say Gatti was the better fighter. Gatti has the ability to stay in the pocket and trade hard shots, whereas Cotto chooses his time and spots. Close call however in my humble opinion.

lightweight, superfeather, junior welter, former flyweight...he could fit all those descriptions...a full-on welter? not so much and goin back to the amateurs, it doesnt really count...Roy fought at FW but it's not even a valid argument...i was talkin about pro fights with pro titles...not 13 year olds battling each otherCotto was 20 at that time. He started heavier than Pacquiao, but just because the boxer is a former champ at a weight doesn't mean that, thats their 'weight'. Pacquiao is a JWW at the moment. He's the lineal champ and whether he likes it or not he'll be competing with men that are naturally bigger than him and that shouldn't be an excuse used against boxers who try and fight him.