Holy shit...these dudes are serious...lmfao.
:). I have no idea how strong a gorilla really is nor how capable it is of fighting or even grabbing Tyson while Tyson is attacking. And neither do you.
This was actually a somewhat interesting topic and I did a tiny bit of research just now. Silverbacks act very threatening and if you run away they could possibly chase you and hurt you. But if you don't back down, they will back down. So what happens when you hit him very hard? Sometimes silverbacks fight each other to gain or keep control of a group of gorillas. And sometimes a silverback gives up and just walks away. They then go on to lead a solitary life while the other silverback takes over the group. The hands and feet of a big species of gorilla are not that much bigger than the average human's. Even less so of a heavyweight's:
http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/fragpics/haende.jpg http://www.berggorilla.org/english/faq/fragpics/fuesse.jpg
Here's a good post about the strength of a gorilla compared to a human. The author suspects a silverback (the most powerful of gorilla's) is about 4-5 times stronger than a human. However, that's only in certain motions like pulling and gripping. And that's assuming a similar muscle structure to chimpanzees, the most powerful animals pound for pound.
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1376&m=16#25
yeah, my coach used to tell me to pull my punchs too....tell your coach not to be lazy, unless you aren't pulling all your punchs?
i tend to do that. reason my coaches dont work the pads with me
ok girls, the problem is not your punching power. The problem is either your coach's manicured soft hands or your horrible aim. I hit harder than both of you combined and my trainers never get hurt. I used to hurt them though when I hit the bottom of their palms or otherwise didn't hit the mitts properly. But that was my fault, not my power.
Everybody's very quick to assume a gorilla would sweep 1 arm and knock tyson's head off. The comment about 1st round death for gorilla was pretty funny. But after reading the suprisingly readable article by Gene Tunney I'm not so sure. How many heavyweights today can write an article like that? I like his points about a boxer being tremendously more intelligent (even today's boxers) and trained in how to fight and where to punch.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla, "Adult males range in height from 165-175 cm (5'4"-5'7"), and in weight from 140-165 kg (310-365 lbs.)" Furthermore, a higher portion of their weight is in their stomachs as plant food. So they're not really that much bigger than humans. Because they walk on their knuckles, they're actually very short for a boxer. Especially today's 6'5"-7' heavyweight.
Gorillas are actually not violent either. Silverbacks will beat their chest, make loud noises, etc to fend off attackers. Only if really provoked will they charge.
So I'm siding with Gene Tunney and I say Tyson knocks out or scares a gorilla away.
According to http://www.gorilla-haven.org/ghneighbors.htm::
There are NO documented cases of a gorilla killing or causing a life-threatening injury to a human being! When being attacked by poachers in Africa, gorillas will fight to the death to protect their family, and can/do cause serious harm to their attackers, possibly even death, although no one can confirm this.
Gorillas will NOT attack, unless directly provoked. Even then, they’ll most likely just swat at or bite the offender and run away, hoping that will be enough to get them to leave.
What would be the perfect system? Do you need 2 counters per fighter watching it at half speed slow motion? 1 counter does the first minute of a fighter, the other counter does the second minute and by that time the first counter is done and he starts the 3rd minute? 1 extra person is needed to choose the exact second to cut over otherwise the cut might be right in the middle of punches counting them twice or not at all. That way we get the stats only 1 minute after a round ends and they're pretty accurate. 3 counters per fighter gives you the stats 30 seconds after a round ends and without the need for an extra person. Stats can be discussed in between rounds then.
Or is it still too difficult to get close to accurate punch stats by TV? Live accurate punch stats definitely seem impossible without slow motion.
Compubox is a computer that actually watches the boxers throw punches. It can determine a jab, hook, and uppercut by itself. It requires no people. It counts the punches and puts them in all the assigned categories like landed, thrown, hook, jab, uppercut, percentage, head, and body. Some guy invented it a while back. Its almost like what they do in movies where they have someone make a movement, then the computer scans the movement and puts it in a computerized version a person doing the same movement, except compubox counts punches. I think it determines the kind of punches by the degree of angle from the boxers shoulder. I heard all this from Jim Lampley on HBO. Don't remember what fight though, it was like two years ago.
what a moron. Lampley must of been joking.
Although Tyson would probably be able to take on a gorilla, a rhinoceros is too big and dangerous. According to http://www.junglephotos.com/africa/afanimals/mammals/rhino.shtml, rhinoceroses are "second in size only to the elephant among all land animals." Typically they weigh about 2,000 pounds. They actually cause a large number of human deaths in the areas they populate. Mostly because humans approach them thinking they're cute when they really are dangerous. Though they're herbivores and wouldn't eat a human.
I enjoy these threads about boxers vs animals unlike many of you here. Fun to guess how boxers or even certain boxers would fare against wild animals.
Jermain needs to take a page from Winky's book...he doesnt need to be so damn gracious after a fight(thats 3 fights in a row he has kissed his opponents ass and his opponenets has cried)...he needs to start making his case as to why he won because a case can certainly be made.
Excellent point. I'm not really a Taylor fan. Not that I don't like him, but he hasn't blown me away. However, I did think that he beat hopkins both times and, by a decent margin, wright last saturday too. Hopkins simply started way too late in both fights. As a HUGE Hopkins fan, it was disappointing to see him lose 2 fights in a row to someone who was clearly less skilled than him. But it was his own fault.
I didn't even think about the Hopkins fights since Taylor's fight with Winky. But now that you mention it, you're correct. Taylor is always too nice after the fights. At least from my perspective, he clearly won all 3. People differ with me on this, but Taylor shouldn't be one of them!!
i think winky could beat JC. taylor power slowed winky down in some rounds, and i dont think JC has the power that taylor does
Winky got beat by a guy throwing many hard power punches. Calzaghe throws, my guess, just as hard but more frequently. Calzaghe wouldn't get caught on the ropes throwing nothing in return like Taylor repeatedly did tonight. 160 is too big for Wright, the best at 168? Wright would be knocked out, I have no doubt about that. Really, Wright needs to move back down to 154 and I think he realized that tonight.
How about you defend what happened to Taylor's left eye genius.
You really think there's any other explanation to Taylor's eye than a headbutt? Wright's jabs are good, but not that good :p.
I guess it's a matter of perspective. I didn't have any bias going into this fight, but I thought it was odd how the commentators, including lampley, were favoring Wright so much throughout the fight. Then I thought Steward is normally in there with them commentating and now he's training the other guy and in his corner. They were probably trying to overly avoid appearing biased for Taylor for that reason.
ESPN had almost the exact same round by round I did for this fight. Except I gave the 3rd round to Taylor, what seemed like an obvious round for him. I'll have to watch that round again.
I thought there would be all this outrage in the forums as to why Taylor didn't get the decision. Instead, oddly enough, I see a lot of Wright outrage. What's going on? Taylor clearly landed the more damaging punches. Look at Winky's face, 12th round and unwillingness to rematch the champion for his belt! Wright's pitty pats, although he was able to land them pretty often in a few of the rounds, don't compare to Taylor's blows. I was actually impressed with Wright's chin and ability to come back after getting hurt, but that's about it.
if winky fights calzaghe his dead if he fights taylor his dead, i think he might go back down to 154
his = he's, but yes I agree. Wright needs to go back down to 154. 160 is too big for him. He isn't able to keep off the bigger guys with just his jab and occassional straight left. Very impressive in making the opponent hit his gloves, but like tonight his opponent can just keep hitting his gloves until some get through and hurt him. His style just doesn't work at 160 and above.
If i'm not mistaken isn't Tenn right next to Arkansas on the map? Was this not a HUGE Taylor crowd?
Hometown if you ask me. It wasn't directly in Taylor's home city, but close enough. It's like Lacy fighting Calz in England, when Wales is not THAT far away.
I think he means, that the decision was unfair to Taylor. So it's not a hometown decision because it favored the guy who's not from the hometown...
The croud was chanting both names throughout the fight. Probably because crouds love underdogs and Winky kept coming back after the momentum seemingly going solidly in Taylor's favor.
i don't think winky needs to move down. he showed his stones tonight - the man's got alot of guts.
Absolutely winky showed guts. But guts alone will make you not only lose fights, but lose your senses by the end of your career. Where does Winky go from here? Even if he can beat the other guys at middleweight, he's not going to beat the champion. Unless he waits until Taylor loses...
Yeah, i guess thats fair enough.
I just think anyone who had wright winnning is delusional.
Maybe i have to watch the round again, but i just dont get it.
I'm going to watch the whole fight again, something is very odd here. Why are so many people thinking the fight was a draw or even having winky winning it? It was very clear to me Taylor won. Some close rounds definitely, but 7 of the rounds undoubtedly for Taylor. I'm coming in this with no bias, just disappointment at the end for unfair judging. I really thought there would be a lot of outrage over this decision.
Hi guys, I'm having the same rebuffering/pausing issues as everyone else with sopcast. I tried the localhost:8902 thing with VLC and it works seemingly better. But then I hear audio twice, from VLC and from sopcast. Can I stop the display of sopcast while keeping vlc running?
I'm getting worried with this loop of the prefight... maybe they're not going to show the main event? I checked on streamtv, but they seem to be having a problem with their payment mechanism. So I can't order a subscription :(. Any other half-decent framerate options we have? With a sucky framerate it REALLY makes it difficult for me to watch or even realize who's winning.
Round 3
Hatton lands a good uppercut on the inside. Both guys fighting hard on the inside, but Hatton has an edge. Castillo lands a couple uppercuts on the inside himself. Hatton lands a good right hook while coming inside. Hatton has a 10% edge when fighting on the inside. Unfortunately for Castillo most of the fight is in a clinching state. Castillo lands on the inside too, but his punches are more smothered than Hattons'. Uppercut knocks Hatton's head back while clinched. Great left hook to Castillo's body and Hatton throws a series of punches afterwards, some partially landed.
Round to Hatton, he has the edge on the inside where the vast majority of this round took place
30 - 28 Hatton
Round 2
Again Hatton rushes inside. Hatton starts off very speedy. Castillo lands some weak uppercuts on the inside. Castillo looks unable to get much off with Hatton smothering him so well. Castillo lands a couple good jabs with Hatton rushing inside. Good upprercut lands for Castillo when Hatton comes inside. Looks like Castillo is starting to figure out how to fight Hatton. Hatton gets mad and tries to throw many punches on Castillo. Castillo does a good job blocking and dodging and lands 1 good uppercut. Hatton lands a a hard right hook to the body. Hatton lands a nice hook while bobbing upward. Hatton lands a few good punches right before the bell.
Round even, both guys had their minimal moments, too difficult for me to award
20 - 19 Hatton
Emmanuel Steward is pretending he knew Castillo was a shot fighter from the first moment he entered the ring and says Hatton shouldn't get credit for this. I disagree. Castillo was simply unable to deal with the smothering clinching style of Hatton. Hatton used his style effectively. Might not have been fight of the year, but he did what he came to do.
This was the best intro to a fight I've ever seen. HBO started it by showing a group of friends headed by a die-hard Hatton fan travelling to Vegas from England reality TV style. They continually show all the Hatton fans in Vegas singing Hatton songs. Then they give a little tribute to Corrales showing the rivalry between him and Castillo with people, include Max Kellerman, saying it was the best fight they've ever seen in the history of boxing.
Round 1
Immediately both guys clinch and fight each other with 1 hand on the inside. Hand lands a punch and Castillo wings a wild missing shot and goes down from tripping. Castillo lands a decent uppercut/hook on the inside while Hatton tries fighting while clinching. Hatton lands a serious of smothered punches on the inside. Hatton is continually trying to immediately clinch whenever they break up. But is somewhat effective even with smothered punches on the inside. Both guys are firing away, but they're so close that none of these punches can be that damaging. Uppercut partially lands for Hatton followed by a left hook.
Round to Hatton, Castillo seems a little unable to deal with the very close fighting by Hatton
10 - 9 Hatton
Round 4
This is no Castillo-Corrales. Both guys' punches are too smothered for that kind of action. Hatton clinches too much for him to be involved in a fight of the year. Hatton is doing well with his clinching style. At times, brief periods, it seems like Castillo has figured out what to do. But then falls into the clinching where Hatton has the advantage. Referee just deducted a point from Castillo for a low blow. Didn't notice it. Hatton lands a series of good body hooks. One huge additional left hook to Castillo's body and Castillo spins around and takes a knee! Castillo STAYS ON HIS KNEE while the referee counts to 10!
Hatton KO4 Castillo
Max Kellerman asks Hatton what he thinks of his performance. Hatton says his first 2 fights in the states he was disappoint in, but this fight he was pleased with his performance. Kellerman asks Hatton why his best performances are against his toughest opponents. Hatton says he just trains hard for every opponent. Max asks Hatton what he says to critics who say maybe Castillo is not the fighter he was after wars with Diego Corrales. Hatton starts talking about Corrales and says he likes to think of himself as an exciting fighter like Corrales was and that he thinks he's built from the same mold as Corrales, like a warrior. He then said he wanted to dedicate this fight to Corrales and his family. He singled out Diego's "lovely wife" and went 2 steps over to give her a hug and kiss while she cried. Kellerman then repeated his original question about whether Castillo may just have been shot and the fans booed. Hatton gave a smirk and just said he trained for the best Castillo. Kellerman finally asks about a potential matchup with Floyd Mayweather. Hatton paused with a smile while the crowd goes wild and states that fans saw more action in the 4 rounds tonight than they've seen in all of Floyd's career. "That's all I have to say about that."
Max Kellerman announces his opinion is that Castillo is simply a shot fighter.