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it was probably stated, but roy weighed 193 fully clothed with weights on, wasn't a true heavyweight by any stretch. it's the reason they jacked it up to 200 lbs. and lol @ "john ruiz was legit." ruiz was horrible, mediocre on his best day. that isn't to knock him, just the truth. it's still impressive that jones beat him, definitely. and prime jones was better than pacquiao. but pac vs. dlh, marg, cotto, mosley, even clottey = more impressive than john ruiz. given everything, i find pac's rise more impressive though. jones had the advantages that pac didn't and SHOULD have had the gold medal in the seoul olympics. jones got to cherry pick opponents more than pac did, that can't be denied. where's benn, eubank, collins, or jackson on Jones' resume? Maybe Jones would've beat them all, but the point is he didn't fight them. Pac has more big names on his resume imo. Jones was given the chance to fight #1 P4P Toney, one of the rare times where we got to see #1 vs. #2 P4P. Too bad Floyd won't let us see it again. It wouldn't shock the ever living hell out of me if we eventually saw Jones vs. Pacquiao.

They're talking about two totally different things. Hopkins mistook Atlas for trying to take credit away from him. Granted, Atlas should've made himself more clear. His point was young guys should really learn boxing technique/fundamentals. Jean Pascal is one of these Roy Jones types. The "athlete" fighter type without the traditional fundamental base. It's a style that looks flashy. He fights in spurts. David Haye is another one that does it. When you take that away from them, they're screwed. Look at Roy Jones. As an older fighter, he just didn't have the ability to do it, most of us here realize that. What Hopkins has done, and what Atlas was saying, is expose Pascal and that basic style type. Roy Jones was clever enough and gifted enough to get away with his style, and perhaps equally as importantly, tenacious enough (he had the stamina). Nobody else has truly been able to emulate that. Jones' fighting style has been sort of rendered obsolete by Hopkins. Well, unless it's Prime Jones. It's like Tyson in his prime, nobody has been able to do that again. Kevin Rooney seemed to only train fighters in that way, trying to find "the next Tyson." When someone of Pascal's way of fighting goes against a smart boxer, their capacity to win is low. Against someone as advanced as Hopkins, particularly in a rematch, Pascal didn't stand a chance. The only reason Pascal was in the fight at all is because of Hopkins' age. Hopkins already solved the Pascal puzzle in the first fight. In the rematch, the puzzle didn't change very much. Hopkins himself has had a transformation, a learning process throughout his career. He doesn't fight just as he did when he fought Jones I, or Echols, or Trinidad. There was a period there where Hopkins was sort of trying to emulate Jones, at least in spots. However, Hopkins realized that he shouldn't try to fight like Jones. Had he tried adopting Jones' style completely, he wouldn't have still been fighting today. I don't see Dawson vs. Hopkins as very appealing because Dawson has a similar "fight in spurts" kind of style. As Hopkins said, he's designed to disarm a fighter of their best weapon. It takes either a really smart boxer or a really "stupid"/unpredictable boxer to beat someone like Hopkins. Calzaghe just gave Hopkins zero respect and was hard for Hopkins to predict, not to mention probably stronger and more rough-housing that Hopkins expected. Same with Taylor. Taylor did so many things wrong that it threw Hopkins off. His jab disappeared, he came out with wild shots, and it was the first time Hopkins had lost rounds basically since Roy Jones, yet it was still close and many still had Hopkins winning both Taylor fights. I don't know.

i refuse to watch anymore roy jones fights, live at least. people around him need to tell him no, it's time to f'n stop. it's like he's on a suicide mission trying to punish himself. sickening to see one of the all-time greats going on like this. he's got to find another way to earn a living. human punching bag isn't the way to go.

I have to go by what I have seen. I have only seen Jones Jr. in person out of this list. Even before then, I would list him as the fastest I have ever seen, the second being Shane Mosley. They say Ray Robinson at welterweight was the fastest, but this is relying on old memories of people. I believe Robinson was definitely the fastest of his era, but there's simply no proof of his speed against today's stars.

LOL damn it...yeah I meant Mitchell. Won't even try explaining the logic on that one. My mistake! Floyd is making more than anybody on this site, he could buy this site. What do I really know? Just another bum on the internet right. But I really believe he'd make more money as a nice classy guy. Right, Mosley doesn't have charisma. Mosley isn't a good interview. He won't even friggin' defend his wife when the whole boxing world is ripping on her! Mayweather, on the other hand, DOES have charisma and charm if he wants. He's got the ability to play up his good guy side and he would make much more money. Think about it, if he's a nice guy and basically takes the DLH blueprint ON TOP OF Dominating the sport like DLH couldn't do, that'd be more sponsors, higher paying sponsors, more TV coverage, etc. The guy could be another Ray Leonard, another Ali, another George Foreman (think old smiling George hawking grills, not the classic bad ass George). Those guys are more or less beloved by everybody. Instead, Floyd is going the Tyson sort of route, and he doesn't have to do that. Why wouldn't you want to fight all these guys? He resists fighting who the fans want him to fight, and it makes no damn sense! I don't believe for a second that he's scared of them. Why wouldn't he fight Margarito? Fear? Now maybe there is something to him wanting to protect that zero, that's a plausible theory. The thing is Floyd could still turn it around and do this NOW before it's too late. If Mike Tyson has shown us anything, it's that fans are willing to forgive. Tyson has turned himself around pretty well publicly, especially considering how bad he used to act. He's got a friggin' reality show on Animal Planet with his pidgeons! Lol. Probably petting and riding tigers too, who knows? Anyhow, the old saying is true that you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. Some guys GOTTA do the bad guy thing. Other guys can and make more money. Styles do determine the kind of personality that affect your profitability. A slick guy that's not really a knockout artist can't pull off the bad guy thing as well as a freight train nightmare like Tyson. Then someone like Mayorga who makes Charlie Zelenoff look skilled does the bad guy thing and he's got some built in charm that makes it just work. It's not working for Floyd. It's just obnoxious and not in the good way. That's my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first or last. Forbes lol.

There was this nice humble kid named Oscar De La Hoya that made more money than anybody. Floyd doesn't have the right style for a bad guy role. He's doing it wrong, and it IS hurting his bottom line. Nice guys get better sponsorship deals and DO make more money if they've got the talent or the charisma to back it up. Mike Tyson had it. He could be the Baddest Man on the Planet and make people love him. Floyd can't. People tune in hoping he'll lose. He'd be making A LOT more money if he were wearing the good guy hat (and, ya know, clearing out the divisions). The only reason Pacquiao isn't a bigger star (yet) is because his English speaking is ****. Get him sounding fluent and he'll easily surpass Floyd in the star department. Only a couple of years ago, most would've said Pacquiao vs. Mosley/Cotto/Marg/etc was too dangerous for Manny. Now, everyone says it's a mismatch in his favor, lol. Who would've ever thought? Manny is doing it RIGHT and Floyd is doing it WRONG. People wanna criticize him for making the Mosley and Clottey fights. Clottey would've beat Margarito had he not broken his hand and Mosley KNOCKED OUT Margarito, and rocked Floyd with the best punch to ever hit Floyd thus far in Floyd's career. Besides, it's not like he's fighting gimmies like Baldomir or Forbes. Clottey is a very good fighter who just happened to fight one of the worst performances of his life because he happened to be in against the filipino buzzsaw.

It was a one-fight deal, not an actual endorsement. That came straight from the official Reebok (and AT&T) spokesperson, but like the head of HBO Sports, they're liars only because he contradicts Floyd :lol1: "Reebok does not currently have an endorsement contract with Floyd Mayweather Jr. We had a relationship with him in 2009 and earlier this year, which was centered around two specific fights". -Reebok spokesman Daniel Sarro "AT&T does not sponsor Floyd Mayweather Jr. We have sponsored several boxing matches, including one that Mr. Mayweather fought in, but AT&T hasn’t and currently does not sponsor Mr. Mayweather personally . . . . The initial media report stating that we sponsored him was wrong and we are in the process of correcting that". -AT&T Spokesman Steve Schwadron The 'Money' persona he created with Haymon and Ellerbe has paid dividends in PPV (when he fights once every year or every other year), but it torpedoed what could've been a very lucrative and long-standing endorsement portfolio. Could've been like Ali, living off of Gatorade/Nike/etc residuals forever but once he runs out of money, which is inevitable, he'll have to fight for it when he has no business in a boxing ring. He is commercial acid and no self-respecting company would want to be associated with him. hahahaha, exactly my point! how many foreman grills would Big George have sold if he had been like "screw the fans, I'm not fighting Moorer and Holyfield. I'm fighting Butterbean and Bobby Czyz, then I demand Ali come out of retirement so I can get my rematch!" Not many. He'd be trying to sell foreman "grillz" at the flea market instead.

Bradley's last arena is one of the biggest in the US. The Pontiac Silverdome is capable of holding over 93,000 fans...just not for Bradley vs. Alexander. Maybe if Pacquiao, Mayweather, Hatton, and Da La Hoya had a tag team match.

I don't believe Haye is scared or ducking anybody. It's about angling for more money ultimately. It's easily the biggest fight at heavyweight, nothing else comes very close. Haye vs. the Klitschkos. He's got the style and the mouth to capture the public's imagination. Here's a guy that can trash talk and bang, but has a questionable chin. That's cause for high drama, as you feel like Haye vs. Wlad is guaranteed to end in an exciting knockout.

quite amusing to me that people think the Klitschkos would stand a chance against the greatest of all-time. Ali would've dominated both. Foreman would've knocked their heads off. Do people actually watch the older fights before commenting or just base it off video games or something? Lennox Lewis, known/believed to have a bad chin, who was clearly losing badly to Vitali in the first couple rounds of their fight, managed to turn the tide and seemed on his way to stopping Vitali by true KO had cuts not stopped the fight. Had Lewis rematched Vitali, I think it's apparent Lewis would've won in dominating fashion, and a fight with Wlad would've been over fairly quickly. The Klitschkos are certainly good fighters, the best of their "era." There's still little evidence for the case of the Klitschkos being the best heavyweights of all-time. If Ross Purrity, LEMON Brewster, and Corrie Sanders figured out how to whip Wlad, I'm pretty sure guys like Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, and Tyson would figure something out. Seriously, Foreman would knock both their heads clear off their shoulders, and possibly their shoulders off their bodies with those uber telegraphed hooks of his. Wlad wouldn't make it out of the first 3 rounds. The much more durable Vitali would only last 7-8 at most I think.

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Reply to OP: lolse? is that like goatse? hmm...I'll assume ya meant lose. The answer: by fighting him.

if he did that, kellerman would interject with, "you know, roy, i started rapping before you" wouldn't put it past that little prick. He'd be right... *Not sure how to embed youtube vids here, new here. **ok they won't let me post links because I'm new. YouTube search "Young Man Rumble Max" it's Max Kellerman's rap video from the early 90s. Great stuff. Someone embed it or link to it. Kellerman is my favorite boxing analyst. He's not great at calling a fight. Roy Jones is easily my favorite person I'd heard call a fight. The Max line wasn't meant as an insult to Jones. What many probably don't realize, especially newer fans, is that Max is one of the biggest Roy Jones fans and supporters. I don't know Max's exact tops list, but I'd guess it's Whitaker #1, Floyd or Roy at #2 or #3, Tyson at #4. those four have almost certainly gotta be in Kellerman's top 10 of all-time favorites. So anyhow, while Max's line was poorly-ish timed, heck, I thought it was funny, and I'm also a huge fan of Jones. I took it as an attempt at a light joke. Jones and/or the viewers may have taken it as an attempt at a huge disrespectful insult. Max's views on Cotto didn't bother me. It was an opinion. HBO sucks. Heart and Soul of boxing my ass. Why don't they have a weekly, or at least monthly boxing talk program? I'd gladly sacrifice a little less Entourage or Big Love or whatever for that. Have Max host with various in-studio guest boxers/personalities. There's enough material out there for an hour every week, or certainly every month. Meh. Tarver is pretty horrible, although he's certainly improved some. Hyping a fight and calling/analyzing a fight are different things. Tarver was a master trash talker, but it clearly didn't translate to a natural boxing out-of-ring personality. Roy Jones brings such an awareness of everything going on to the table, and such a fluidity with talking about it that it's all insightful, informative, and entertaining to hear.

OP reply: If for no other reason: Money. Pac's no fool. I'll fight them both at the same time for 5% of what either one is making. And they can both do super steroids on the same day of the fight if they want. I've always said there's way too much money involved for them to walk away. No way this fight doesn't get made, barring tragedy/injury.

Pacquiao is already up 2 points on Mayweather before the bell even rings. Floyd has been ducking him with the petty steroid allegations, and Pac's already taking money directly out of Mayweather's pocket, and he should take quite a hefty sum out once the court finds in Pacquiao's favor, which it will. Karma coming to collect.

Who said the fight was going to be in Poland anyhow? I thought I'd read Germany was the frontrunner. If Wlad is willing to go to Poland to fight Adamek, why not England for a bigger payday against Haye? That doesn't make sense.

Pac vs. Cotto is the fight to compare, not Pac vs. Clottey. How did the Mayweather vs. Cotto PPV do? Ohhhh yeah...that's right, he found Cotto unworthy of a fight when he rage-quitted boxing retired.

Umm...you do realize it's only his 12th pro fight, right? Cumpillow can get his rematch later.

Mayweathers get away with murder in Vegas because of all the money Floyd brings to town. Why are people surprised by this? I had no doubt nothing would happen to Roger. A GOOD lawyer would have demanded for the trial to be moved the hell out of Nevada. Remember, Floyd tried having that guy killed, a couple of times, still walking around. Come on now. It's absolutely about the money. Think of all that money generated at the hotels, casinos, restaurants, etc when Floyd fights. That's what the courts think about. I hope she takes Roger for every last dime the bum has.

roger took time out of beating women to do the mayweather clans' other favorite thing, hate on Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao: Cover of Time Magazine Family Mayweather: Cover of Crime Magazine

why the diamond belt? why is that necessary? this is the wbc's attempt at a loophole. I'll show you why. WBC light heavyweight champ = Jean Pascal WBC light heavyweight emiritus champ = Hopkins Therefore, no need whatsoever for a Diamond belt, which was a fabricated trinket "catch weight" belt essentially for Pacquiao-Cotto. If Pascal goes ahead with the Dawson fight, as he should, the WBC has no legal right to strip Pascal, as he has AT LEAST until August to defend the WBC title against a mandatory opponent. Even by their own current ratings, Dawson is the #1 ranked mandatory, lmao. They're once again messing around with their own rules while trying to side-step lawsuits. If they strip Pascal for fighting his mandatory, the #1 ranked contender, he has every right to sue them.

WBC is a friggin' joke. I'm loving this. I hope WBC strips Pascal when he goes forward with the Dawson rematch so Pascal can sue them and knock them out once and for all. Now maybe more people will see why they have the Diamond belt. I'd be curious to see what the sanctioning fees for that are. WBC collects 3% sanctioning fee from each boxer in a championship fight. They collect some sort of fee just to rank fighters. Not to mention Sulaiman's bribe fees of course. Remember the WBC convention when Sulaiman put on that show? Fake-Quitting, crocadile tears and everything? LOL. Who were the two men with him? Don King and Ahmet Oner. Isn't it interesting that now Odlanier Solis now has a heavyweight title shot? How many other Oner fighters are getting WBC titles/shots? WBC needs to go, believe it!

I hope the WBC orders an immediate rematch so Pascal can refuse, get wrongfully stripped, then sue the WBC and shut that crooked organization down once and for all. WBC has no right to order an immediate rematch because Pascal's last mandatory, assuming the Hopkins fight doesn't count, was in August against Dawson. Therefore, Pascal has until August to defend against anybody the WBC mandates. Not a big Pascal fan. He's pretty good, decent, but I'm not a huge fan. Still, he was clearly robbed. I don't know what kool-aid everyone else is sipping to say Hopkins was robbed, but it sure isn't mega moutain twist. I guess people just wanted to see history made so badly that they're willing to lie or let it cloud their judgement in watching this fight. Take away the two knockdowns and a draw is arguable. There's no way Hopkins won 7 rounds, let alone 8 rounds like the one American judge had it.

Don't make me go get Breidis Prescott to KUTFO 1 again, Khan. So is it this guy's plan to become even more obnoxious than Floyd?

people can be idiots. it is clear that povetkin never ducked klitschko. it was others behind the scenes, such as teddy atlas, not wanting to send povetkin to the slaughter. the guy only has 21 fights total right now. you really think he's even ready for wlad now? let alone 3 years ago? it's not like he was "fast-tracked" or anything. he's a victim of a ****ty heavyweight division and of his own success (decent US TV exposure and decent wins). Povetkin wouldn't beat Haye, let alone Klitschko.

lol @ all the fools sucking HBO's dick. HBO is one of the problems with boxing today. So many just don't get it. SMH

Of course I want the fight to happen, I always win money on floyd why would I not want it to happen? Why would I not want him to fight a fighter that doesnt even have a jab? with a 66" reach, no counter punching ability whatsoever, and that loves to brawl?? This is easy money for me. But the reality of it is this. It will not happen IF PACQUIAO THINKS HES GOING TO HAVE THE ONE UP THIS TIME IN NEGOTIATIONS. HE EVEN KNOWS THIS, HENCE HE'S NOW REACHING AND BEGGING FOR THE FIGHT. Who else can he fight? Cotto again? I would love to see the pay per view numbers on that. Well, Pac vs. Cotto PPV numbers were reportedly between 1.25 million and 1.5 million. After Cotto coming hot off his big win and Pac's stock up even higher, I bet they AT LEAST match Mayweather vs. Mosley's 1.4 million buys (as reported by Ellerbe), and comfortably more internationally. Pacquiao is reaching for the biggest payday of his life, yes, so better Mayweather because he won't get one bigger than the Pacquiao fight for all the remainder of his career no matter who he fights. I have no doubt whatsoever that this fight gets made. There is entirely too much money on the table for them to walk away. I don't care for Mayweather's brand of marketing. You still usually attract more flies with honey. De La Hoya was a much bigger star than Mayweather despite being less talented. Kill them with kindness, it's typically more profitable. To get away with the Tyson "bad guy" routine, you gotta have an aggressive KO type of style, I believe. Ultimately, I just want to see the two best fighters in the world go at it, matching their unique types of skills with each other. Scientifically, Mayweather should easily win, but Pacquiao's been there before. Most will likely favor Pacquiao even if they really believe Mayweather will win in the back of their minds. I can't wait.

Wlad most certainly would not MURDER Holyfield. He'd pansy ass jab Holyfield from the outside and either jump way back or clinch anytime Holyfield came within 2 feet of him. 12 round decision over someone he SHOULD take apart in a round or two.

LL is much better than Purrity, Sanders and Brwester who all knocked out Wlad, but of course Wlad is much better than Rahman and McCall who KOd LL. It would come down to who lands their big punch first. Bad stoppage in the McCall fight. Definitely not in the Rahman fight. Lewis avenged his losses himself in absolutely dominating fashion, sending McCall into a nervous breakdown and stretching Rahman out on his back in four rounds. Wladimir never avenged the Purrity or Sanders fights and he took longer to beat Brewster than Brewster took to beat him.

I hope Judah knocks Khan Artist the hell out. That is all.