winnings gloves feel super light but they do have more padding over the knuckles than reyes or the mx everlast gloves. The guy at the winning store here in cali told me that they winning started making their fight gloves more compact cuz the Japanese wanted more kos in their boxing. I dont think linares would have stopped demarco with any glove.
Just so you know, I scored it 116-113 in Manny's favor with this breakdown:
1 - PAC
2 - JMM
3 - PAC
4 - PAC
5 - JMM
6 - PAC
7 - JMM
8 - *draw
9 - PAC
10 - PAC
11 - JMM
12 - PAC
I believe you already have a copy of it. Why don't you watch it again...
lmao explain your scoring please. heres mine.
Round 1 = Marquez
eplantion: Like Max kellerman said was a high intensity round even if their wasnt
any action and the little their was Marquez won the cleaner punches and Was able
get off a 4 3 punch combo to Manny body and finished the round stronger then Pac
All pac did was look busy with his foot movement and body movement but did nothing
effective.
Round 2 = Marquez
explantion: Marquez again won the cleaner punches he had the better and effective
combo. Marquez landed a 3 punch combo body shot, upercut , over right that made
Pacquaio reset. Everytime time pacquaio attemped a body Shot he got countered with
a Overhand right. Manny tried to land serveral punches he was fast on his feet,
tried to give pacquaio angles but was unsucessful, Marquez did not even have to
reset after Pacquaio's attempts.
Round 3 = Pacquaio
explantion: Pacquaio aggresion was finnaly effective in this round, He forced
the tempo/pace of the fight to speed up and as a result he was landing the cleaner
effective punches. Pacquaio right hook was landed every time he threw it. Pacquaio
agression forced the tempo of the figth in this round and Marquez could not time
him correctly to counter effectively.
Round 4 = Pacquaio*
explaination: Agression on Pacquaio part again was effective and he was able to use
his agrresion to open up angles and score on marquez while marquez countered Instintively
rather then using timing, This was all cause cause of Manny Agression + angles was giving
marquez trouble.
* Close round could have went to either person honestly, as Not one punch went unaswered
So we look at the next option and thats who made who do what they wanted. In this round
Pacquaio agression forced marquez to fight Pacquaio fight and at a pace he didnt not want to.
Round 5 = Marquez
explaintion: Non needed. Marquez pop Pacqauio at will. Pacquaio had no agression just head movement
so he did not even seem to be busy like he normal does. marquez Landed and I wont say dominated
but controled the round.
Round 6 = Pacquaio *
explaintion: this round was extremly close. Pacquaio won for the more telling blows, meaning
he was landing hard punches on marquez but marquez looked as the more better puncher
but he punches was not landing most were blocked. But the overall feel of this round was
that it was a marquez round but he landed nothing significant where Manny landed the real
telling blows
* This round was close those who score aggresion regardless of effectiveness will give
marquez this round because he looked like the busier fighter but accomplished nothing
So I expect 50/50 form peopel on this round.
Round 7 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez round easy landed the better punches and had the better ring generalship
Manny looks amazing cause he foot work is amazing but this is boxing if that amazing foot
work is not effective it does not matter. Marquez picked up from round 6 this time he timed
Pacquaio correctly and landed the clearner punches.
Round 8 = Marquez
explationion: Marquez had him timed perfectly now, everything Pacquaio tried he got countered
this was a boxing match. pacquaio did not try to do anything except stay in the pocket and
try to land something but landed nothing of any signifcant and plus marquez after he landed
forced Manny to reset.
Round 9 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez landed a 5 combination on Pacquaio. While pacquaio was trying to look
like he is the flashy fighter with his footwork and fake pump with his punches he did nothing
effective. Every rush was countered with a better set of punches by marquez.
Round 1 = Pacquaio. But was a draw
explation: this round was a draw to be truthfulluy. Both did equally well in every aspect, Aggresion, effective
punching, and since manny is the champ you have to do a lil more if everything is tied on
the judgung criteria when things are tie, so the round is automatically manny.
Round 11 - Pacquaio
explainton: pacquaio won. was more effective and forced marquez to figth his fight.
Emmnuel gave this round to Marquez but this is not a marquez round. he was active and
counteruing but was not effect. Pacquaio was being the effictive aggresor and making
marquez reset.
Round 12 = Marquez
explantion: Maruqez won hard and smart. He beating Pacquaio in every category.
landed cleaner punches better ring generalship. Pacquaio was frustrated and unable to
do anything except keep bouncing and looking busy but un effective boxing wise. easy round
for marquez.
Overall 7-5 Marquez
the stats are up, and thers noway to justify jmm won that fight, let alone call it a robbery.
like i said jump off his sack!!! Judges never use compubox to judge a fight. Hahahahah pactards even if pac losses fair and square they cant admit it. Dude not even roach was protecting manny this much.
I have some questions that only a true pactard can answer: Why didnt manny raise his hand when the fight was over? Why did he look like the looser? He won decisively right? Why all the controversy?
I watched the fight with out sound the first time and just rewatched it with the hbo commentary and now I see where the pactards are getting their ideas from.
marquez beat pacquiao with ring general ship(pivoting to take manny left hand away) and clean effective counter punching.
NOT ONE ROUND DID MARQUEZ FIGHT PACQUIAOS FIGHT! MANNY WAS FORCED TO FIGHT JMMS FIGHT. ALL OF YOU CLINGING OFF OF MANNYS JOCK JUMP OFF RIGHT ABOUT NOW!
there's no such thing as the "cleaner" punches... you either land a clean punch which is not blocked or partially blocked or partially dodge or you didnt which doesnt count
wtf r u smoking man
compubox tabulated which are clean and which isnt.. and if you dont agree with it, i dare you to count which punches were clean and werent and im pretty sure you'll end up seeing that manny landed more clean punches cus from the way you post you got jmm's dick down your throat thinking he landed "cleaner" punches while pac landed the less cleaner punches
glancing blows < flush punches. compubox scores glancing blows too. I thought you guys knew your boxing? stick to the ufc *******
Round 1 = Marquez
eplantion: Like Max kellerman said was a high intensity round even if their wasnt
any action and the little their was Marquez won the cleaner punches and Was able
get off a 4 3 punch combo to Manny body and finished the round stronger then Pac
All pac did was look busy with his foot movement and body movement but did nothing
effective.
Round 2 = Marquez
explantion: Marquez again won the cleaner punches he had the better and effective
combo. Marquez landed a 3 punch combo body shot, upercut , over right that made
Pacquaio reset. Everytime time pacquaio attemped a body Shot he got countered with
a Overhand right. Manny tried to land serveral punches he was fast on his feet,
tried to give pacquaio angles but was unsucessful, Marquez did not even have to
reset after Pacquaio's attempts.
Round 3 = Pacquaio
explantion: Pacquaio aggresion was finnaly effective in this round, He forced
the tempo/pace of the fight to speed up and as a result he was landing the cleaner
effective punches. Pacquaio right hook was landed every time he threw it. Pacquaio
agression forced the tempo of the figth in this round and Marquez could not time
him correctly to counter effectively.
Round 4 = Pacquaio*
explaination: Agression on Pacquaio part again was effective and he was able to use
his agrresion to open up angles and score on marquez while marquez countered Instintively
rather then using timing, This was all cause cause of Manny Agression + angles was giving
marquez trouble.
* Close round could have went to either person honestly, as Not one punch went unaswered
So we look at the next option and thats who made who do what they wanted. In this round
Pacquaio agression forced marquez to fight Pacquaio fight and at a pace he didnt not want to.
Round 5 = Marquez
explaintion: Non needed. Marquez pop Pacqauio at will. Pacquaio had no agression just head movement
so he did not even seem to be busy like he normal does. marquez Landed and I wont say dominated
but controled the round.
Round 6 = Pacquaio *
explaintion: this round was extremly close. Pacquaio won for the more telling blows, meaning
he was landing hard punches on marquez but marquez looked as the more better puncher
but he punches was not landing most were blocked. But the overall feel of this round was
that it was a marquez round but he landed nothing significant where Manny landed the real
telling blows
* This round was close those who score aggresion regardless of effectiveness will give
marquez this round because he looked like the busier fighter but accomplished nothing
So I expect 50/50 form peopel on this round.
Round 7 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez round easy landed the better punches and had the better ring generalship
Manny looks amazing cause he foot work is amazing but this is boxing if that amazing foot
work is not effective it does not matter. Marquez picked up from round 6 this time he timed
Pacquaio correctly and landed the clearner punches.
Round 8 = Marquez
explationion: Marquez had him timed perfectly now, everything Pacquaio tried he got countered
this was a boxing match. pacquaio did not try to do anything except stay in the pocket and
try to land something but landed nothing of any signifcant and plus marquez after he landed
forced Manny to reset.
Round 9 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez landed a 5 combination on Pacquaio. While pacquaio was trying to look
like he is the flashy fighter with his footwork and fake pump with his punches he did nothing
effective. Every rush was countered with a better set of punches by marquez.
Round 1 = Pacquaio. But was a draw
explation: this round was a draw to be truthfulluy. Both did equally well in every aspect, Aggresion, effective
punching, and since manny is the champ you have to do a lil more if everything is tied on
the judgung criteria when things are tie, so the round is automatically manny.
Round 11 - Pacquaio
explainton: pacquaio won. was more effective and forced marquez to figth his fight.
Emmnuel gave this round to Marquez but this is not a marquez round. he was active and
counteruing but was not effect. Pacquaio was being the effictive aggresor and making
marquez reset.
Round 12 = Marquez
explantion: Maruqez won hard and smart. He beating Pacquaio in every category.
landed cleaner punches better ring generalship. Pacquaio was frustrated and unable to
do anything except keep bouncing and looking busy but un effective boxing wise. easy round
for marquez.
Overall 7-5 Marquez
Round 1 = Marquez
eplantion: Like Max kellerman said was a high intensity round even if their wasnt
any action and the little their was Marquez won the cleaner punches and Was able
get off a 4 3 punch combo to Manny body and finished the round stronger then Pac
All pac did was look busy with his foot movement and body movement but did nothing
effective.
Round 2 = Marquez
explantion: Marquez again won the cleaner punches he had the better and effective
combo. Marquez landed a 3 punch combo body shot, upercut , over right that made
Pacquaio reset. Everytime time pacquaio attemped a body Shot he got countered with
a Overhand right. Manny tried to land serveral punches he was fast on his feet,
tried to give pacquaio angles but was unsucessful, Marquez did not even have to
reset after Pacquaio's attempts.
Round 3 = Pacquaio
explantion: Pacquaio aggresion was finnaly effective in this round, He forced
the tempo/pace of the fight to speed up and as a result he was landing the cleaner
effective punches. Pacquaio right hook was landed every time he threw it. Pacquaio
agression forced the tempo of the figth in this round and Marquez could not time
him correctly to counter effectively.
Round 4 = Pacquaio*
explaination: Agression on Pacquaio part again was effective and he was able to use
his agrresion to open up angles and score on marquez while marquez countered Instintively
rather then using timing, This was all cause cause of Manny Agression + angles was giving
marquez trouble.
* Close round could have went to either person honestly, as Not one punch went unaswered
So we look at the next option and thats who made who do what they wanted. In this round
Pacquaio agression forced marquez to fight Pacquaio fight and at a pace he didnt not want to.
Round 5 = Marquez
explaintion: Non needed. Marquez pop Pacqauio at will. Pacquaio had no agression just head movement
so he did not even seem to be busy like he normal does. marquez Landed and I wont say dominated
but controled the round.
Round 6 = Pacquaio *
explaintion: this round was extremly close. Pacquaio won for the more telling blows, meaning
he was landing hard punches on marquez but marquez looked as the more better puncher
but he punches was not landing most were blocked. But the overall feel of this round was
that it was a marquez round but he landed nothing significant where Manny landed the real
telling blows
* This round was close those who score aggresion regardless of effectiveness will give
marquez this round because he looked like the busier fighter but accomplished nothing
So I expect 50/50 form peopel on this round.
Round 7 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez round easy landed the better punches and had the better ring generalship
Manny looks amazing cause he foot work is amazing but this is boxing if that amazing foot
work is not effective it does not matter. Marquez picked up from round 6 this time he timed
Pacquaio correctly and landed the clearner punches.
Round 8 = Marquez
explationion: Marquez had him timed perfectly now, everything Pacquaio tried he got countered
this was a boxing match. pacquaio did not try to do anything except stay in the pocket and
try to land something but landed nothing of any signifcant and plus marquez after he landed
forced Manny to reset.
Round 9 = Marquez
explaintion: Marquez landed a 5 combination on Pacquaio. While pacquaio was trying to look
like he is the flashy fighter with his footwork and fake pump with his punches he did nothing
effective. Every rush was countered with a better set of punches by marquez.
Round 1 = Pacquaio. But was a draw
explation: this round was a draw to be truthfulluy. Both did equally well in every aspect, Aggresion, effective
punching, and since manny is the champ you have to do a lil more if everything is tied on
the judgung criteria when things are tie, so the round is automatically manny.
Round 11 - Pacquaio
explainton: pacquaio won. was more effective and forced marquez to figth his fight.
Emmnuel gave this round to Marquez but this is not a marquez round. he was active and
counteruing but was not effect. Pacquaio was being the effictive aggresor and making
marquez reset.
Round 12 = Marquez
explantion: Maruqez won hard and smart. He beating Pacquaio in every category.
landed cleaner punches better ring generalship. Pacquaio was frustrated and unable to
do anything except keep bouncing and looking busy but un effective boxing wise. easy round
for marquez.
Overall 7-5 Marquez
try watching it with out the biased opinions of the hbo commentary team.
lol he linked this thread to his facebook account.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/seckbach
if you guys wondered whether he reads this there is your answer
thanks I just added him.
Its not that hard to interview boxers, most gyms will just let you right in. His advantage is living in LA, there are a hand full of gyms/am tourneys/fights/press conf./ ect. if you have a camera and are down to interview and you live in LA (or somewhere with lots of access to game) then you can do what eli is doing. I LIKE HIS VIDEOS by the way.
Please...that's practically pain killers...if he didn't have it---he probably could'nt continue training....PED for life.
its not a ped its for his bad hands.
I had a friend who told pacquiao in an open work out at the wild card for the hatton fight that he was gonna be koed. lol manny looked over at him mad and my buddy just rephrased it by saying "youre gonna knock him out." lol he then signed my head gear.
I wouldnt talk shit but I probably would let them know what I think about them.