Should Boxers Leave Religion Out The Ring?

keep thy religion to thyself...and we will have a better place to live in

this thread is for points.

I think they should leave it out of the ring, but I'm not about to ask for it to be banned or anything. It's up to them and should be up to them, just saying it's annoying and disrespectful to the real people who helped you get into that position, such as your trainer and family.

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I'd love to see a boxer thank the devil for his win............that would get some complaints! How about Qui Gon, for his wise but unorthodox guidance?

it doesnt matter, i dont think God even interferes with the outcome of any sport.training,skills, gameplan,talent wins the fight.

I think you're overthinking it. Its become common in our culture for believers to praise a God if they accomplish something. You can say it rubs you the wrong way all you want, as you have that right also, but that still doesnt stop them from saying what they want. I think when they praise God, they do it becasue they belive a God gave them strength, not that God favors them. "I want to thank the Lord for this victory" means the Lord provided the other guy with a defeat. I realize it's common in our culture and will continue to be, but I think that point is neither here nor there. There are things about this culture I like and other things I could do without.

They can praise God if they like, but some of us have a First Amendment right to say it rubs us the wrong way. Even if I were a believer, I think it would bother me, because it implies that God had it in for the opponent, that He wanted him to lose. I mean the other guy could be a hard-training boxer who wanted to do right by his kids and so forth. I think you're overthinking it. Its become common in our culture for believers to praise a God if they accomplish something. You can say it rubs you the wrong way all you want, as you have that right also, but that still doesnt stop them from saying what they want. I think when they praise God, they do it becasue they belive a God gave them strength, not that God favors them.

We, in America, have the First Amendment. so basically anyone who tells you not to say what you want to is a douchebag. I'm not saying that they should go and preach to the audience, but who cares if they praise their God? They can praise God if they like, but some of us have a First Amendment right to say it rubs us the wrong way. Even if I were a believer, I think it would bother me, because it implies that God had it in for the opponent, that He wanted him to lose. I mean the other guy could be a hard-training boxer who wanted to do right by his kids and so forth.

We, in America, have the First Amendment. so basically anyone who tells you not to say what you want to is a douchebag. I'm not saying that they should go and preach to the audience, but who cares if they praise their God?

Now religion by definition is a set of beliefs held by an individual or group. By definition Atheism is a religion, a religion who's main tenet is that there is no god. Is it organized, some argue yes and some argue no, but this isn't the point. Commonly atheism is coined as anti-religion and it is not. Academic research on the subject simply proves that. To give an adequate response to this post, we shouldn't confuse people's religious beliefs with whether or not God exists. These are entirely two different subjects all together. The term religion was used to simplify the post but if specifics are required we are referring to polytheistic, pantheistic, panentheistic and monotheistic religions. In short: theistic religions.. Religions which involve a number of deities, or a single omnipotent, omnipresent deity. Some of the most aggressive propagators of religion are atheists, who seem to want to convert every person on the earth. It's kind of funny that atheists benefit from 'Freedom of Religion' and 'Freedom of Speech', yet they seem to want to promote some Orwellian Society in which there is no 'Freedom of Speech' Or 'Religion' when outside of the atheistic framework. I feel that this post is straight out of the book, "1984". Hypocritical. The Abrahamic faiths have been forced upon populations for millennia. Ever heard of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition or the Ottoman Empire? Millions of people have been tortured or killed for not believing in one theistic religion or another but we find ourselves now in an age where discussing the opposing view isn't risking life and limb. "1984" happened time and time again in the past and it happened in the name of theistic religions. Perhaps your criticism of a 1984 type of society should begin with exploring the history of theistic religions? With this post, a poll was included which allowed people to vote on the subject which is effectively democracy in action. So far, roughly a third of people have a problem with the underlying issue, and 2 thirds have no problem with it. Do you want the government to control everything?...including what a boxers says after a fight? Do you want to see a good fight or make sure that he is an atheist...or make sure he doesn't say anything about religion? What is your goal by this post? Really? There was no real goal behind the post. I was a little bored by the religious talk I heard from a few different fighters around that same day so I decided to make a post about the topic. Don't worry, there's no hidden agenda or government conspiracy. This is a boxing forum, so keep it on boxing and EVERYTHING that comes with it! Who cares about what the fighter believes in....we want to see a good fight. We want to see the sweet science at it's best. Boxers who mention their gods or religions are a fairly regular occurrence within the sport. It's a part of boxing and deserves discussion like any other subject. I can remember many times when a boxer thanks his god character after a fight. Sense the post mentioned science. Science is relative to the individual scientist. Science is not monolithic in the sense that it is hardcore without a doubt unrefutable. One scientist says this and another says the opposite. Use your brain and pick your own path...stop being sheeple and do some real academic research and then cross reference...if you are able. Youtube and wikipedia aren't valid academic sources of knowledge, although there may be some truth therein. Science is continually open to scrutiny, it can be updated and improved upon. However, there are certain conclusions that science reaches which go beyond dispute. For example the fact that the earth is round, or that gravity will affect how a mass falls to earth. Certain established scientific facts directly contradict many theistic religions. As you mentioned, it would be a good idea to stop being sheeple and do some real research about it..

I don't really have a problem with it BUT, I would like to see a boxer in a Satanic Cult thank Satan for his win. No doubt there would be a big uproar over that by the religious nuts. That would be cool :lol1:.

The difference, esl, is that you can't prove a negative. The onus is on those who believe in God to show evidence He exists beyond the banal "nature is so beautiful, life is miraculous." So atheism isn't quite a religion in the sense that supernatural or superstitious belief is.

Re:Should Boxers leave Religion out of the ring? Recent examples of boxers bringing up their gods in the ring include Andre Ward after the Kessler fight where he refers to the Christian faith and Anthony Small where he refers to the Muslim faith during the build up of his most recent fight. Of course Pacquiao is probably the most prominent boxer now who regularly refers to a god, again conditioned under the Christian religion. With many religious precepts now debunked by science, more and more people are beginning to realize that all religions are likely to be purely superstition, with no real evidence to support them other than a collection of far-fetched stories which compare quite readily to any other work of fiction. Is it time that boxers leave religion out of the ring for good? Interesting interview on the "god delusion" psychological condition: Now religion by definition is a set of beliefs held by an individual or group. By definition Atheism is a religion, a religion who's main tenet is that there is no god. Is it organized, some argue yes and some argue no, but this isn't the point. Commonly atheism is coined as anti-religion and it is not. Academic research on the subject simply proves that. To give an adequate response to this post, we shouldn't confuse people's religious beliefs with whether or not God exists. These are entirely two different subjects all together. Some of the most aggressive propagators of religion are atheists, who seem to want to convert every person on the earth. It's kind of funny that atheists benefit from 'Freedom of Religion' and 'Freedom of Speech', yet they seem to want to promote some Orwellian Society in which there is no 'Freedom of Speech' Or 'Religion' when outside of the atheistic framework. I feel that this post is straight out of the book, "1984". Do you want the government to control everything?...including what a boxers says after a fight? Do you want to see a good fight or make sure that he is an atheist...or make sure he doesn't say anything about religion? What is your goal by this post? Really? This is a boxing forum, so keep it on boxing and EVERYTHING that comes with it! Who cares about what the fighter believes in....we want to see a good fight. We want to see the sweet science at it's best. Sense the post mentioned science. Science is relative to the individual scientist. Science is not monolithic in the sense that it is hardcore without a doubt unrefutable. One scientist says this and another says the opposite. Use your brain and pick your own path...stop being sheeple and do some real academic research and then cross reference...if you are able. Youtube and wikipedia aren't valid academic sources of knowledge, although there may be some truth therein.

What made you think this is true?.... Just because you could not see God does not mean God do not exist...... Reread what you just posted and try to understand it's context. Religion should be in everything that we do.be in spirit or virtue. Which religion? Or all of the currently existing religions? Check the big religion comparison chart > http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm Those 42 religions currently listed are just an extremely small percentage of religions which have existed throughout human history.. It just goes to show the depth of human imagination in my opinion.

What made you think this is true?.... Just because you could not see God does not mean God do not exist...... True, but it doesn't necessarily mean He does exist either. :)

No, its fine by me. Let them believe in what they want to believe in, nothing wrong with speaking out on there faith. They are thanking there god because they believe in it.

I don't really have a problem with it BUT, I would like to see a boxer in a Satanic Cult thank Satan for his win. No doubt there would be a big uproar over that by the religious nuts.

Recent examples of boxers bringing up their gods in the ring include Andre Ward after the Kessler fight where he refers to the Christian faith and Anthony Small where he refers to the Muslim faith during the build up of his most recent fight. Of course Pacquiao is probably the most prominent boxer now who regularly refers to a god, again conditioned under the Christian religion. With many religious precepts now debunked by science, more and more people are beginning to realize that all religions are likely to be purely superstition, with no real evidence to support them other than a collection of far-fetched stories which compare quite readily to any other work of fiction. Is it time that boxers leave religion out of the ring for good? Interesting interview on the "god delusion" psychological condition: "With many religious precepts now debunked by science, more and more people are beginning to realize that all religions are likely to be purely superstition, with no real evidence to support them other than a collection of far-fetched stories which compare quite readily to any other work of fiction. Is it time that boxers leave religion out of the ring for good?" What made you think this is true?.... Just because you could not see God does not mean God do not exist...... Reread what you just posted and try to understand it's context. Religion should be in everything that we do.be in spirit or virtue.