When floyd says "one demensional" i know exactly what he means, come read

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point. Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth. Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks. Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness. Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side. In the Mosley fight, I was happy to see Floyd try to be a bit more offensive and show another defensive style.....bad thing is that Manny/Roach has now time to analyse this other style. Possibly, Floyd will not move like El Jesus states in the early rounds (especially) and fight like he did in the Mosley fight to see what Manny is all about and see if Manny can fight going backwards. Possibly, Floyd can use his size advantage. If Manny does not buckle ala an old Mosley, then Floyd will probably revert to, his usual, more defensive position. One of several weapons that Manny has that can trouble Floyd is that he is a southpaw. Against Zab, one can never really say that Floyd was able to stop Zab's left. It was that Zab just didn't throw it as much in the 2nd half of the fight. One can say, it was a combination of Floyd's effective counter punching that slowed the already slow work rate of Zab AND that Zab got tired and just slowed down in the 2nd half of the fight. Well, we all know that Zab has been prone to slow down his workrate as the fight goes on but I can say it was a bit of both. Still, even in the later rounds, when Zab would pull the trigger, Floyd got hit! So what if Floyd can't slow Manny down? This leads me to the next point..... Who will be able to get respect? This is the most important factor and hardest to know. Floyd is a good defensive minded boxer who likes to play chess with you but if you notice, he does not prefer to play Kasparov type chess. Floyd prefers to play more of a 1, 2 (maybe 3?) move chess game while a true chess player thinks 5 and more moves ahead. Many of Floyd's opponents were brought down to that 1-2 move chess game. If Floyd can get enough respect with his defensive work and counter punching then he should win by reducing Manny's work rate to that comfortable 1-2 move chess game. If Manny can manage to break thru and go full press then it will be a Manny advantage and he will probably win because he has the stamina to do it for 12 rounds. - Castillo was able to get thru this 1-2 chess move and that gave Floyd big trouble. - Hatton managed to get thru too but didn't have the weapons to do it. - Delahoya partially did early too but at his age, wasn't as effective at pulling the trigger and lost the stamina(got tired) to do it consistently for 12 rounds..... once tired it was that 1-2 chess match. Manny will be missing the Castillo/Delahoya size advantage unfortunately but Manny has the weapons that Hatton didn't have. If you add that southpaw stance, Manny has the chance to do get thru Floyd's defense. Yes movement such as Cotto will definitely help Floyd. Still just looking at the fight, it was a point where Manny was winning by such a wide margin that one can't say if Manny really can or can't cut the ring..... plus did that make Cotto win rounds or even survive? It's true that Floyd will need to use or at least observe what was effective in the Manny vs Morales I and II and Marquez fights. The difference is that Floyd does not do what Morales and Marquez does when Manny comes in with more than 1-2 (chess match) combinations. Morales and Marquez fought back! Floyd's instinct/tendency is to go defensive.

great analysis so when will floyd start retiring again and let these other one dimensional fighters rule the ring and KTFO other fighters?

I disagree that this is what Floyd meant when he said that TS. IMO, it is trash talk nothing more. But great analysis.

There are some many ways to analyze their fight. Pacquiao is a bonafide fighter and Mayweather is a cerebral boxer. Before Mayweather fought Castillo he was a masterful boxer, he jabbed more often and definately attacked more but I think he lost confidence in his power the higher up in weight he went. Before Castillo he was 26-0/20ko's and then after he became the cerebral boxer solely relying on defense, reflexes, pulled counters. Not the most crowd pleasing but it's what he's evolved into. Is it his hands or his confindense b/c I think he could have and should have stopped Shane Mosley. floyd can still go back in his former self anytime he wants, imo. it's just that he's more comfortable with his style now, considering that its a much safer style not to lose his zero.

There are some many ways to analyze their fight. Pacquiao is a bonafide fighter and Mayweather is a cerebral boxer. Before Mayweather fought Castillo he was a masterful boxer, he jabbed more often and definately attacked more but I think he lost confidence in his power the higher up in weight he went. Before Castillo he was 26-0/20ko's and then after he became the cerebral boxer solely relying on defense, reflexes, pulled counters. Not the most crowd pleasing but it's what he's evolved into. Is it his hands or his confindense b/c I think he could have and should have stopped Shane Mosley. floyd can still go back in his former self anytime he wants, imo. it's just that he's more comfortable with his style now, considering that its a much safer style not to lose his zero.

Every southpaw that has faced Mayweather has been lucky enough to stun Mayweather with that left I think the worst mistake Roach can make is trying to turn Pacquiao into a right handed fighter, he better turn Rocky off and let him press the attack he can get lucky with that left hand! woah, not too fast man, i didn't say anything bout that. i just reacted to the comment of my real-friend that floyd couldn't ko pac, which i think is very false to ever think of. but i do see your point. pac has been practising the orthodox stance since hatton fight though, so i wouldn't be surprise if he turns orthodox in some corners of the fight if he needed to. pac being a southpaw is clearly one of his advantage agains floyd.

take note pac's chin aint greater than mosley's. pac will get himself KOed if he gets too careless thinking floyd is that easy to hit.. and i strongly believed he can't make those 1300 punches he did against clottey. Every southpaw that has faced Mayweather has been lucky enough to stun Mayweather with that left I think the worst mistake Roach can make is trying to turn Pacquiao into a right handed fighter, he better turn Rocky off and let him press the attack he can get lucky with that left hand!

nice post! but i believed that there could be a better explanation than this from "with-sense-fans" but they're just tired to write it off because of pactards and flomos. for me, pac is not one dimensional, but he just doesn't or couldn't adjust his style the way floyd can. if floyd really meant this one-dimensional pac thing i believe that it really refers to pac's style, if pac's enemy is against his style, he only make adjustments on his style and not trying to shift it to a completely counter style like floyd can. There are some many ways to analyze their fight. Pacquiao is a bonafide fighter and Mayweather is a cerebral boxer. Before Mayweather fought Castillo he was a masterful boxer, he jabbed more often and definately attacked more but I think he lost confidence in his power the higher up in weight he went. Before Castillo he was 26-0/20ko's and then after he became the cerebral boxer solely relying on defense, reflexes, pulled counters. Not the most crowd pleasing but it's what he's evolved into. Is it his hands or his confindense b/c I think he could have and should have stopped Shane Mosley.

no brainer...he cant ko pac..... take note pac's chin aint greater than mosley's. pac will get himself KOed if he gets too careless thinking floyd is that easy to hit.. and i strongly believed he can't make those 1300 punches he did against clottey.

goodpost, green K. i think floyd will tko or ko pac from accumulation. Pac chin can withstand some good punishment. but that doesnt mean his brain can withstand the punishment of consistent, clean, hard, accurate blows connecting above 50% especially if floyd opens up and throws punches like he did against Gatti no brainer...he cant ko pac.....

nice post! but i believed that there could be a better explanation than this from "with-sense-fans" but they're just tired to write it off because of pactards and flomos. for me, pac is not one dimensional, but he just doesn't or couldn't adjust his style the way floyd can. if floyd really meant this one-dimensional pac thing i believe that it really refers to pac's style, if pac's enemy is against his style, he only make adjustments on his style and not trying to shift it to a completely counter style like floyd can.

Not gonna read that.. But did u see how pac cut the ring so effectively? Cotto was backpedalling from the 6th on but still could not avoid pacs fury.. If pac is one dimensional then WTF does it say to all the opponents that have been KTFO by him?? if your not going to bother reading a few paragraphs....don't reply to the TS.......

The one thing about Pacquiao is that he cannot adjust in fights. And Mayweather adjusts and adapts better than any fighter I have ever seen. I think Pacquiao's style would make an easy night's work for Floyd but we'll have to wait and see if the fight happens

I think you gotta be tough to beat Pac too. You gotta be able to spordically mix it up Not really. Everyone who tried to mix it up with Pac, loss. EM the first time did none of that, beat him convincingly. Second and Third times, EM did what you said and loss horribly. Like I say. Pacquiao is pretty easy to figure out. He is very linear. If you can match his speed. You can have a field day on him, specially if your a great defensive minded, counter puncher.

I think his workrate will drop in this fight with Mayweather. A great or a good counterpuncher will drop the workrate of his opponent. true, people look at the punch stats for the clottey fight and think hes gonna throw that many punches at mayweather.

This isnt a disrespect to pac, Pacs legacy is currently ahead of floyds. If you know me, im not a hater, i have respected and followed pac longer than alot of you likely reading this thread . But when he says one demensional, i know what he means. Pacs diversity and angles are almost entirely offensive, and most of them come from when an opponent is stationary and attempting to trade. Alot of what he does works when an opponent is standing in front of him. For example, cotto was on the move, and jabbing, pac did absolutely nothing. All of the angles, diversity and his fantastic right hand are only effective if you are standing front of him either waiting for it or in the middle of an exchange. You take that away, and you can see floyds point. Think about this. A guy like floyd who can take you inside, outside, move and throws every punch in the book, is extremely diverse. People keep talking about the shoulder roll like its his only defense, this guy gives you a different look practically every round. Also, people talk about pacs "improved defense", im not really seeing that. What i see is a grade A chin and a mountain of punch resistence. What i also see is cotto, moved, jabbed, even when he had nothing, still snapped pacs head back, technicians like floyd see that stuff a mile away. Cotto also connected with looping arm punches that had no buisness connecting. Mayweather can also take the fight inside and he needs virtually no room to punch, ive yet to see pac in a phonebooth. Another thing that has to be noted. When pac moves his head to the right, the left hand over the top comes in every single time, cotto actually took a step back and threw a straight and stopped him in his tracks. Floyd is not going to do what cotto did which is stand in front of him and attempt to impose his will. If pac wants to have any chance against floyd, they have to prepare him for floyd to be on the move. Frankly this is a very difficult fight for pac. Ive already seen floyd adjust midfight countless times. If you are looking to the judah fight for success, dont, if thats the case, ill look to the morales fight. Both floyd and pac are improved from that time, however its pacs chin and his outstanding power that have carried him this far. also his quickness. Remember this also, floyd has a tendency to make fighters very wary of his accuracy which completely drops their punch output. Its not going to be a wipeout on either side. great great post, green k will be given when i have some, pac fans dont take this offensively actually read it, very good boxing insight.

It won't be a wipe out by stylistically Floyd is just a horrible style match up for Pac. Pac needs a stationary target to get his offense off. His speed of hand and feet allows him to hit the target and pop out before a counter attack. Counter punchers are his WORST type of opponents because if you time his incoming punch he can't get tagged. Floyd's the best in the world at this and his ability to adjust to Pac's speed will be key to victory. Once that happens it's DOMINATION. I think you gotta be tough to beat Pac too. You gotta be able to spordically mix it up

It won't be a wipe out by stylistically Floyd is just a horrible style match up for Pac. Pac needs a stationary target to get his offense off. His speed of hand and feet allows him to hit the target and pop out before a counter attack. Counter punchers are his WORST type of opponents because if you time his incoming punch he can't get tagged. Floyd's the best in the world at this and his ability to adjust to Pac's speed will be key to victory. Once that happens it's DOMINATION.

Aye I know what you mean, but Manny is also a high workrate fighter and as long as he keeps throwing, even if he's missing, he'll have a good chance at giving Floyd nightmares. I think his workrate will drop in this fight with Mayweather. A great or a good counterpuncher will drop the workrate of his opponent.

Aye I know what you mean, but Manny is also a high workrate fighter and as long as he keeps throwing, even if he's missing, he'll have a good chance at giving Floyd nightmares. True but when you start getting nailed with hard counters over an over again most would become more careful with what they throw...which equals into lower workrate... If Pac keeps coming, Floyd will keep dishing... By any means Floyd will find a way to lower Pac's workrate whether Pac wants to or not...