I feel Pacquiao should retire if Arum doesn't allow Pacquiao to fight the Elite fighters in the division that's what Porter should've said.
Who are the elite fighters? Most of them are so-so fighters.
Can the mods please save this thread. It's going to be interesting to see all the people who say they are not watching it comment on the fight the next day.
Surely, many will watch the fight in free streaming.
De la hoya looked like a holocaust victim that night and had only re-hydrated 3 pounds by fight time.
Regarding Cotto, if those 2 lbs didn't matter didn't matter, why would Roach even implement the catch-weight in the first place.
Look at the weight in for Pac-Cotto, Cotto's eye's are sunken in because he was weight drained.
What's bull**** is that Cotto's belt was at stake for a catch-weight fight.
what kind of **** was that?
The bottom line is, Marquez can't win against any of them even if they are weight drained.
Martinez is full of crap. He should fight the bigger guys not a midget. Martinez is being protected by his handlers. They want an easier fight by calling Pacquiao. Pacquiao is no middleweight. He is not even a welterweight. Martinez is a coward just like Mayweather by not fighting bigger guys. But we can't Pacquiao out. He is a beast in the ring. If he accepts the fight, another P4P wannabe and pretender will be in for another nightmare. This will his pass for retirement. Martinez should think otherwise. He will become a laughing stock and another Pacquiao victim. Believe it for I have believed Pacquiao a long time ago.
Pacman has a slim chance? Spence can't even knocked down a bloated lightweight. Spence might be be exposed against Pacquiao. Even at 40, I still give Pacquiao the edge against Spence.
These are all excuses. Even though Hatton was in the greatest shape of his life, he won't have won against Pacquiao. Pacquiao was too much for him on that night. I would say, Hatton is not on or near Pacquiao's league.
First off let me state I'm a Manny Pacquiao fan. Now, anyone that really believes Manny "improved" since he fought Marquez the second time is an idiot. Roach, and especially Arum have been cherry picking Mannys opposition since he got schooled by Morales. The ONLY boxer Manny has beat while he was still at the best, and the boxer he should get the biggest credit for beating, Marco Antonio Barrera.
You're full of crap bro. You're a Pacquiao hater not a fan! You're full of envy. You Mayweather fans should petiton you're idol to fight Pacquiao. Geee whiz bro. Get a life!!!
Do you know what Ortiz, Guerrero, and Andre Berto all have in common, that Algeri doesn't? They were all WELTERWEIGHT title holders. That's who we expect Pacquiao (and Floyd) to fight, WW title holders. I would give Manny a pass if it were Danny Garcia, but not Algeri. However, I do understand that Manny has limited options:
November 13, 2014 (Bleacher Report):
Not including himself, six of the nine fighters on ESPN's top 10 ranking for the welterweight division are unavailable to Manny Pacquiao because of the politics surrounding the sport of boxing today.
Floyd Mayweather Jr., Keith Thurman, Marcos Maidana, Shawn Porter, Devon Alexander and Robert Guerrero are all signed with Al Haymon who Pacquiao's people—Top Rank and HBO—refuse to work with at the current time.
Two other names on the top 10 list are Timothy Bradley and Juan Manuel Marquez, a pair that Pacquiao has fought a combined six times. Besides Kell Brook, there isn't a single compelling matchup available to Pacquiao in the welterweight division.
Some of you might be thinking that a move back down to junior welterweight might make matchmaking a little easier, but many of the top guys in that division like Danny Garcia, Adrien Broner, Lucas Matthysse and Lamont Peterson are also signed with Haymon, which makes all of those matchups dead on arrival as well.
Pacquiao is already a lock for the Hall of Fame in my view and I'm sure in the view of most others, so he doesn't have much if anything left to prove. But it is a shame that years of his career are being wasted on fighting the likes of Brandon Rios and Chris Algieri.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2264522-boxers-who-are-being-held-back-by-lack-of-quality-opponents#articles/2264522-boxers-who-are-being-held-back-by-lack-of-quality-opponents
Pacquiao in his twighlight years should also be given a break. His fights are almost all hard fought and brutal wars. Rios and Algiere, if you might call them as such, are breaks from all of these.
Final say of course, but I wonder what options they even present him. He didn't sign yet for Vargas, I think Vargas is the only one they are even presenting an offer to Pacquiao with.
Vargas will be a more fan friendly fight than Crawford. I can see Crawford running all night, away from Pacquiao bombs, just like in the Postol fight. Sad to say, Crawford is boring.
Your immature attempts at insult aside :lol1: You appear to be defending Roach's actions (And let's dismiss the physical ailment right here) If another so-called world-class trainer were to make the same BS statements constantly (let's say Floyd Sr.) the undercover racists on this forum would be screaming bloody murder. But, Roach seems to always get a pass for spewing BS on the regular.
Roach (Disease & training ability aside) is full of shit, and he doesn't get a pass in my book. Its all too common that the fighter's he trains have to back up his BS -- While he hovers around the apron with his mouth open.
Roach was hyping the fight dumbo. Talking trash is part of boxing if you don't know. Just watch football. It's better for you.
Paquiao and his fans are delusional , no respected trainer or boxer has come forward saying they thought paquiao won, well*except holyfield but he has been delusional for more than a decade .the consensus among trainers/boxers around the world except asia and countries with no boxing tradition is that mayweather won 9 rounds to 3 and it wasn't even competitive .like my mexican friends would say "tienes que ver mas box"
Create a poll and will see who really won in the eyes of everyone who watched the fight.
Is it just me or does it seem that the more shit a fighter talks the worse their performances are? In 2019, for instance there have been fighters like Adrien Broner, M. Garcia and Danny Jacobs who had been doing a lot shit talking to build up of their fights without backing any of it up; Just to step into the ring to get their asses whupped by refusing to try and cashing out.
You forgot Amir Khan.
Pac is old, and Loma is a 130lb fighter. Fight and beat Thurman and you'll be one of the if not the best fighter in the world.
Thurman wont even beat an old pacquiao or even Timothy Bradley in my opinion.
Wow! Because he beat Chocolatito who by some boxing fans considered to be p4p, is now p4p ? you are way out there, the guy lost fight already... geeez its GGG!
Who did GGG beat? Jacobs, who is not even in the P4P list. Who beat Chocolatito the ex-P4P king? Rungvisai the new king of boxing.
Margarito doesn't need to be weight drained to lie flat on the ring. The "Pacific Storm" will ravage the tijuana tornado anyway. The cheater won't win.
1. Most of his fans were disappointed with his performance against floyd.
2. He wants a rematch but fights the jeff horns of the world, and recent performances didn't really merit that.
FYI Jeff Horn is the #2 WBO contender which Pacquiao is the champion. So what's wrong with that? Floydiots talk without sense sometimes.
He has already fought world champions and undefeated contenders and all of this before his 9th fight when those guys had double or more pro fights than him. If you cant see "what he got" by now, you need a pair of glasses, badly.
You mean he fought washed-up ex-world champions.
I am not a spence fan nor do I believe that he's the boogeyman. But I am a boxing fan who knows the sport and knows that he'd beat the hell out of pac. Porter at this point would also beat pac and Crawford certainly will as well. You seem to have forgotten how easy it was for horn and Thurman to put hands on pac. Pac won't be able to take that kind of punishment from spence. I'm not sure where you're getting this perception that people say spence is slick because he's black. That actually sounds like a racist comment from you. Spence wins because he's bigger, stronger, is a sharp puncher who goes to the body very well. Pac will be in for hell if they dare to take the fight. You better hope they don't, since it seems that pac getting crushed may hurt your soul beyond repair.
Well, many thought Thurman will crush Pacquiao. With the way Spence fought Porter, I don't see him beating Pacquiao or Thurman.
I think Showtime likes the momentum that Maidana brings to the table. His last four wins, including Broner, make him a more viable opponent. And with the huge Mexican fanbase latching on to Maidana .... means a lot.
Khan, is lacking any kind of network momentum and is a Pakistani who doesn't have a real fan-base here in the states.
Floyd fighting a Pakistani on a Mexican holiday would be a disaster!! Yet, even though Maidana isn't a Mexican ... he at least has a lot of Mexican support which is a plus.
Either Khan or Maidana it will be a disaster. Not many will buy it. It will be a waste of money.
Yeah, I agree. In his prime he always gives Pac hell or beats him but by the time they fight now he'll be 38 years old! He's not nearly as quick, sharp etc and he was in his prime and his reflexes and defense have slowed enough that moving up to 147 to fight a guy in his prime years and a good weight for him would be very hard.
The sad thing is that if Pac beats him, and I imagine he will more convincingly than before, people will remember him as having clearly won the trilogy and yet he will be facing an old, past prime version of a guy that would always give him serious trouble in his prime. Making Marquez move up to 147 is as BS as it gets. Pac would have absolutely no trouble whatsoever making 140, as Ariza and Roach always harp on about who easy he could do it when facing bigger guys, and yet in this fight they are now switching their stance as suits them and saying Pac is a 147 pounder and they don't want to drain him by going to 140? It's a damn joke.
Marquez should not fight above 140. It takes too much out of him and there is not enough left for him to really be the same as before anyway. This was a hard fight for him and being nearly forty years old, plus moving up again, to fight a guy that's still in his prime, as he was in their last fight while Marquez was just starting to move to the other side of prime, would prove a bit too much.
Whatever the case, I think we'll keep seeing Pac fighting old guys like Mosley or Marquez (Marquez is obviously still in better shape than Mosley who is now just plain shot and wouldn't prove a damn thing, but Marquez is still coming on forty years old and has been in tough fight after tough fight in recent years) or guys coming off bad losses. Before he retires he needs to prove something more than what he has so far if people are going to keep calling him an ATG of the caliber that people say he is. As it stands, he doesn't belong with the ATG guys who his fans believe he does.
While a Marquez fight would be good, all it does is prove he can beat a past it version of Marquez while he's still in his prime and that he would always struggle with a prime version. If anyone thinks he's still ins his prime, well, you don't know ****.
Whatever you say bro, Pacquiao is now an "All Time Great" or many is now calling him "The Greatest of All Time". I admire your love for Marquez. But Marquez should move on and make a name for himself and not using Pacquiao's name. He will on be a secon in Pacquiao's achievements. So if he wants to become great, he should fight bigger guys not B+ rated fighters.
PAC is the ONLY 8 time world champ in 8 different weight classes and 5 lineal championships.
Living Legend.
I agree. No one compares even mayweather. Pacquiao is the GOAT, fighting above his weight class.
Don't think you read correctly bro. He was making the point that if it does happen people will still tune in to watch, regardless of those saying that they won't support it.
The Title is misleading.