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AFTER hatton lost to mayweather and had a tough fight with lazcano lol read my 2 previous post please==== epic failure on this analysis my friend......you stated that pac fought fighter who is coming off a lose or had a tough fight and yet pac defeats them easily while floyd against cotto who lost and beaten terribly to pacquiao then comes off a win and yet floyd wasn't able to disposed cotto like pac did and also had the worst performance except the castillo 1 of his career.

if he pays arum that much per fight he is dumber then i thought that was not a dumb move.. it's reality when a boxer is under a promotional company. only a dumb promoter who'll spent his own money will allow an upstart boxer to dictate how much % will a promoter will take.

every fighter ducks certain fights you cant fight everyone, but mayweather always ducked the biggest challenges if he was all about the money he could have set up a money fight with tszyu or take 8 millions to fight margarito, or rematch dlh for millions etc.... but ill give mayweather his due at least he is not jones jr, that guy cherrypicking was ludicrous, did u heard his rap all he talks is about beating cab drivers nobody knows about exactly!..zeus comparison of floyd to pacquiao ducking guzman is somewhat ridiculous because even if pac didn't fought guzman pac fought guys that are more dangerous and bigger than guzman at higher weightclass.

Fight would've happen already had Bob Arum got on his horse and took off after his son died... Boxing as a whole becomes better when Bob Arum is no longer an authority figure in it.======== its a lame excuse using arum as the caused of floyd not wanting to fight pac...pac fought de la hoya whom arum despises(note that arum think its a mismatch against pac in the first place but pac insisted on it) so, floydfans reason that arum is protecting pac is moot and finally, how about floyd ducking and reneging his owned agreement with canelo? canelo is not with bob arum?

quote: So that afternoon, I asked George Peterson, the trainer and manager of Paul Williams, who he believed would win the hypothetical Pacquiao-Mayweather clash of welterweight titans? His responses were stunning. Here is the official transcript... Scoop: Who do you see winning Pacquiao vs. Floyd? Peterson: “It’s not gonna happen.” Scoop: You don’t think so? Peterson: “No.” Scoop: Why not? Peterson: “It’s not a fight that’s meant to be made. That fight’s just not meant to be made.” Scoop: Why not? Everyone wants to see it? Peterson: “A lot of people want to see it BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.” Scoop: Mayweather doesn’t want it does he? Peterson: “Ah, that fight is not gonna be made.” Scoop: You’re saying it with a lot of certainty in your voice. Peterson: “Yes sir. Yes sir. If it was gonna be made it would be made by now.” Scoop: Who doesn’t want to pull the trigger? (I know Mayweather is the chicken here, just want to try to get more from the source.) Peterson: “I just don’t see it being made.” Scoop: You know something but won’t say it. Peterson: . Scoop: Who would win, if it was made? Hypothetical. Just for fun? Peterson: “It’s not gonna be made. That fight is not gonna be made.” Scoop: I hear you, it’s not even worth wasting the energy on a fight that is fantasy. Peterson: “It’s not gonna happen.”----more from "http://www.examiner.com/article/the-man-who-knew-2009-that-mayweather-would-never-fight-pacquiao"

Floyd made around $40 million for his last fight against the 3rd highest draw as far as opponent goes. Manny got around $28 million. You have yet to convince me how one should deserve to go from $40 million to over $100 million with the potential of making a lot more while Manny would only go up to $40 million with "NO PPV MONEY". Manny also gets a deal where he usually gets a guarantee .... YES that is also relevant to how big that fight is ... BUT he also gets a piece of the PPV money and whatever else is in his contract. So the deal is less on the back end ... in fact it would be 0 if he agreed with Floyd!!! .... that is laughable to think that is what Manny should get. You seem to be saying Floyd should get whatever he wants because he has a deal with GB and Al Haymon and it doesn't matter that Manny has his own deal where he gets more than the guaranteed up front money. As far as Oscar vs Manny most thought Oscar was going to win. You are trying to change history here. Imagine Arum was going to let GB beat his top fighter. Just having GB get that chance shoots down the point that Arum doesn't let his fighters fight outside his stable. No pivot here. Just trying to prove to you that Arum does let his top fighters fight outside his stable and where there is a good chance that they would lose. So it didn't matter if Cotto was with or not with Arum. Cotto vs Floyd was just a pay day for Floyd ...+++++++++actually, floyd's 40 million usd take on his last fight is almost the same with pacman's 28 million usd.. add bob arum's fee of around 27% of pac's purse since pac works under bob arum and you'll notice that both have almost the same fight purse.

quote: So that afternoon, I asked George Peterson, the trainer and manager of Paul Williams, who he believed would win the hypothetical Pacquiao-Mayweather clash of welterweight titans? His responses were stunning. Here is the official transcript... Scoop: Who do you see winning Pacquiao vs. Floyd? Peterson: “It’s not gonna happen.” Scoop: You don’t think so? Peterson: “No.” Scoop: Why not? Peterson: “It’s not a fight that’s meant to be made. That fight’s just not meant to be made.” Scoop: Why not? Everyone wants to see it? Peterson: “A lot of people want to see it BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE IT.” Scoop: Mayweather doesn’t want it does he? Peterson: “Ah, that fight is not gonna be made.” Scoop: You’re saying it with a lot of certainty in your voice. Peterson: “Yes sir. Yes sir. If it was gonna be made it would be made by now.” Scoop: Who doesn’t want to pull the trigger? (I know Mayweather is the chicken here, just want to try to get more from the source.) Peterson: “I just don’t see it being made.” Scoop: You know something but won’t say it. Peterson: . Scoop: Who would win, if it was made? Hypothetical. Just for fun? Peterson: “It’s not gonna be made. That fight is not gonna be made.” Scoop: I hear you, it’s not even worth wasting the energy on a fight that is fantasy. Peterson: “It’s not gonna happen.”----more from "http://www.examiner.com/article/the-man-who-knew-2009-that-mayweather-would-never-fight-pacquiao"

I wouldn't hold my breath. Marquez confronted Pac in the Philippines after their second fight, and Pac also responded to that challenge by saying he'd fight him "anytime, anywhere", however, it took over three years of Marquez publicly calling him out before Pac finally agreed to itknow why? it's bcoz of marquez silly demands

why do diehard floydfans still uses "pac is still under arum" as the reason why floyd is ducking pac when in fact the latest interview with bob costa on floyd is that floyd ducking pac bcoz "his health is more important than to anything"..if so, then he should quit boxing and just play bowling since bowling is one of his sport.

Can't agree to this, a guy who is suspect of juicing and that lost his last fight on the eyes of many unbias fans can't be the #1 P4P in the World. It's very clear that Mayweather earned the seat and so has Martinez. Pacquiao was #1 before He started to fight inhouse bums and his last fight. Less get real here....failed! if you say that pac only fights inhouse so does mayweather (gbp boxers)...and if you say what about cotto now a free agent about to fight floyd ...so is jmm also a free agent when he fought pac!.

The issue here is the weight. Between Cotto and Bradley, Cotto is the more valuable win only because he is a jrMW champion. Bradley, while being a very good boxer himself, is a step down in weight. Regardless of how well Bradley boxes, weight counts in boxing. If it didn't, it wouldn't have been so important for Pacquiao to demand weight stipulations during his campaign at WW. Cotto as a boxer isn't being touted as a threat. The fact that Miguel has campaigned as a jrMW, won a title and is now a natural 154lb'er is what makes him a credible opponent, but there have been too many questions raised about his stock to count him as a true threat aside from simply having a puncher's chance. Bradley, who has never been labeled elite or a phenomenal talent, is a step down because he is a jrWW in a time where Pacquiao is supposed to be dominating much bigger men. Tim's credible because he is #1 in his division and is undefeated, but being that he's "soooooo small" ... an excuse that Team Pacquiao has presented before every WW match in case he lost ... the value of such a win would be significantly lower than a win over a jrMW. As I said, its all about the size and weight. Mayweather is fighting Cotto without stipulating that he cut weight. That alone makes his possible win over Cotto greater than Pacquiao's own. A champion should NOT have to weaken his opponent BEFORE a match in order to gain an advantage. lol! you need to research first before posting.. bcoz if you think that bradley is step down bcoz he is a jrmw is wrong! go look at his boxrec..bradley has fought at welterweight(about 10 fights or about 33% of all his fight) since 04 and his debut as a professional boxer is also at welterweight.

Pactards use to say all black fighters suck and were overhyped and bums. (Started around the time Berto lost) and now all of a sudden Bradley doesn't suck. bcoz pactards wanted to prove that for the second time bcoz the flomos is not yet satisfied with the first one by beating mosley

because people already know who he is, they dont need to google him floyd - odlh 2,4 mil ppv buys if pacquio is more famous how come he hasnt come close to that? it was de la hoya who carried that ppv

floyd already is more famous than pacquiao in that case, then why floyd's is not even mention???/

Pactards are always googling him to confirm his record and to know about his idol....and flomos doing the same thing (googling) but still nowhere near pac's popularity..shows that floyd's not popular at all.

when it came down to the last staw...all other negotiations dont matter. It is what it is. Even if he does go 50/50...Floyd will say 154lbs is where it will happen. Knowing Manny dont want and said hes not . Thats speculation. Floyd can make this fight happen. All he has to do is fairly agree to everyone splitting the$$$ . Manny will take the test. All Floyd can do now is talk. Its obvious now. Blaming Arum or Manny is a cry for help and a show of denial... 154lbs is not yet on the line for floyd's ducking move..the latest is - "The only way I think a fight the guy with three losses and I-don't-know-how-many draws, the only way that fight happens is he has to leave Bob Arum," Mayweather said. from http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/boxing/post/_/id/1116/floyd-pacquaio-must-leave-arum-for-manny-money-to-happen

Because Manny wants a 14 day cut of from taking blood for PEDS testing because it makes him weak , remember that was his excuse he used to get out of the fight . But not with Rios , Manny ONLY gets weak when its its Floyd. Answer it kid ? --"But not with Rios"-this only shows that full testing is not a problem with pac. even floyd stated during his rant back in 2010 that "pac's will take the test"..since then, floyd keeps on moving the goal post. like -- its because of bob arum (until osdt is agreed upon bob is not a problem in the 1st nego), 40million flat rate for pac w/out ppv (but gave % share of ppv to cotto) and a 45 mllion counter offer from pac with ppv share to floyd but floyd never answered this offer (that time floyd is making about 30million and pac at 26million fight purse) and finally pac should fight 1st under his promotion before facing him knowing that pac is under contract with toprank and even branded pac as a has been(makes you dumb if you think about this kind of excuses because why would floyd wanted a "has been" fighter fights under his promotion).

The fighting under his promotion wasn't a real offer you clown, he was just ****ing about with the press.how do you know? do you work under floyd?then prove me that he wasn't ????? if you can't then you're the clown.

.....I'm not black. Please don't be that guy. And for the record, Floyd will pick the Filipino apart. how can floyd pick apart pac? floyd cannot even challenge pac to a fight without creating roadblocks.

BOOM! Another Floydiot owned. Another lemming following the gospel of Floyd's word, led to believing that boxing is no longer the noble art/sweet science where The Best Fight The Best. "Prize fighting" for Floydiots has become redefined as "maximizing the money made for fighting the least threat to one's health and the big "O"... fcuk legacy." "Legacy don't pay bills."--FMJr that's why floyd had loses in the amateur because you can't ducked in the amateur league you have to fight the best to earned medals.

nope! oscar can't pull the trigger anymore according to roach..roach knew it already when he trained oscar for the fight with mayweather.

yup just ask chatchai sasakul, ledwaba, barrera, and de la hoya.. agree....diehard floydfans doesn't know the fact that its all about economics..pac winning as an underdog against floyd will give bigtime gamblers on pac's entourage a huge return on their bets..

its a stupid demand, i dont defend it and you never heard it come out of floyds mouth. just like yall claimed floyd was going to fight paulie, matt hatton and now spaddy based on rumors. if it did come out of floyds mouth, theres nothing to believe and it should be taken with a grain of salt...easy work so is pacquiao, when he publicly stated in interviews that he agreed to all of floyds osdt demand.

Flomos should rejoice themselves as their own very words will be used against the accusers as evidences. When the jury read their threads after threads praising Pac. They should realize now that indeed the Mayweather's accusation changed people perception. Pac will thank you for your kindly words for him and support! you're right......i've been lmao when the defamation suit was filed and seeing posts after posts from flomos regarding pacs alleged peds usage in different articles(comments) and forums that they (flomos) didn't even think that what they are doing is detrimental to floyd jr. et.al. case.

pac having 4 lineal title belts in his resume defeats this opening thread.

Balco drugs, cream, clear, EPO, were unknown to USADA/WADA at the time Marion Jones and other Olympic athletes were taking them. Thats why they weren't detected. U cant test for something u dont know exists so, now that they already know those drugs.. then, whats the differences between nsac and usada when both of them didn't detected those drugs before and now, if there's newer undetectable drugs that are being use now.

Check mate? MM are you referring to me? Because all he did was further supported my point. People have known to cheat yet still past drug tests, e.g. Mosley, Marion Jones... OSDT is another alternative to counter act that doubt. you were asking on why nsac wasn't able to catch mosley and yet osdt wasn't able to catch marion jones in the olympics either so whats the point of not letting nsac to do the job of testing when osdt doesn't do any better?

How do you know it can't do any better? It certainly can't do any worse.. it can't hurt. You're basically telling me NSAC is useless and therefore we should try and not make it harder for boxers on steroids.. I'm not suggesting Manny's on steroids but he could end any shred of doubt just by taking the tests with no cutoff, it's not even proper OSDT its just for the period before the fight. you didn't get what i was saying and am not saying nsac is useless..what i'm trying to say and the poster that i supported on previous post is that if mosley was not caught by nsac then its the same with osdt bcoz it didn't caught marion jones either so why insist on osdt?..and by the way, pac already agreed to all floyd's flawed osdt recquirement(no cut off) when he was asked by scribe last november and was on youtube and if floyd and company really wants the fight done then all they should do is initiate and throw back the ball on pac's court regarding testing(pac's interview) and we'll know who's really bluffing but we didn't heard anything from floyd's camp.

Quote: Originally Posted by Phil Ivey How many tests has Mosley failed? Oh wait....... None. How many Olympic Drug Tests did Marion Jones fail? Now, answer his question. ++++++++++++++++CHECKMATE+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

koncz disproved this pac lie. please stop misleading posters with pactard lies. the same "KONCZ" who stated before that the fight with clottey will be held below the welterweight limit..right? lol! you failed ..try again.