Why doesn't Floyd do business with Bob Arum

Good point made about Floyd being the historic first and ONLY fighter to ever refuse negotiations because of the opponent's promoter. Regarding the bold highlight in your comment, that's an intriguing question to contemplate. His decision could either backfire on him or expose him. It would be a backfire if he considers Bradley no threat to his health or his "O" and be an easy-work easy-payday, but he's forced to deny the fight & lose out on the easy money just to keep up appearances of hating Arum; or, he would be exposed as a liar if he does flip-flop and negotiate for the easy money fight. It's a lose-lose situation for him either way. It's only a win for him if he considers Tim a similar threat as Manny to his health and/or losing that O.Yeah, it puts him in a quandary because if were to deny another top contender other than Pac a shot, then he is controlling a part of the sport he has no right to control and if he were to fight another top contender from the TR stable, then it would look like he simply doesn't like Pac or leary of him for some reason. It's a catch-22.

that's why floyd had loses in the amateur because you can't ducked in the amateur league you have to fight the best to earned medals. ^^^^^^^^^^^ best post :headbang:

BOOM! Another Floydiot owned. Another lemming following the gospel of Floyd's word, led to believing that boxing is no longer the noble art/sweet science where The Best Fight The Best. "Prize fighting" for Floydiots has become redefined as "maximizing the money made for fighting the least threat to one's health and the big "O"... fcuk legacy." "Legacy don't pay bills."--FMJr that's why floyd had loses in the amateur because you can't ducked in the amateur league you have to fight the best to earned medals.

There's no sure way to know the answer to your question unless you are Floyd Mayweather Jr., one can only speculate.

One of the dumbest things you've read because you have no concept of what a true champion is or what it takes to be one. Let me take you back young buck. To the era of true boxing. Where legacies were made and boxers fought for the pride and the sport. Real champs like Super ray, Hagler, Duran, the hit man Herns. You tube it and you'll learn what boxing truly is.They took the risk and gave the people what they wanted. What do we have now? A so called champion fighting for himself and picking b and c class fighters? Promotional camps in disagreement? Fans yearning for a mega fight? It's a frigging joke. This day and age of boxing is not prize fighting. That's where you are missing guided and confused. It's become a business more than anything. It's turned into that and fmj is at helm. Definition of a champion=a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a sport. Feel free to be educated anytime. Lol. BOOM! Another Floydiot owned. Another lemming following the gospel of Floyd's word, led to believing that boxing is no longer the noble art/sweet science where The Best Fight The Best. "Prize fighting" for Floydiots has become redefined as "maximizing the money made for fighting the least threat to one's health and the big "O"... fcuk legacy." "Legacy don't pay bills."--FMJr

Floyd is just using Arum as an excuse. He wants Pac to sign a long-term contract with him, wear 16 oz gloves, fight in a 32 foot ring, have Roger and Floyd Senior as judges, Haymon as the ref, get a 90-10 split and all the PPV sales, Pac can't weigh more than 148 on fight night, has to take 2 blood tests every day and immediately before and after the fight, Pac can't have water between rounds, Roach can't enter the ring at any time and must work the corner from the press row, and Pac can't use the straight left. Yeah, I think the fight is pretty easy to make, all Arum has to do is step aside. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.434177!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-pacquaio-belt-jpg.jpg Name calling...delusional logic...mirroring Floyd Sr.'s unproven steroids accusation...making a lengthy two paragraph rant without even answering dman4093's quote that you're replying to...and finally playing the RACE CARD...you epically FAIL all around, dude! LOL...Major Floydiot. You're as bad as the Pac-tards. Why don't you leave the discussions to the real FloydFans and PacFans and spare yourself further embarrassment. Yup...back onto the short yellow bus you go, back to Floydiot Town, bless your heart. http://www.************.com/wp-content/uploads/mayweather56753343.jpg

I'll make it easy for you. Floyd is the ONLY fighter in the world who is unwilling to fight fighters from a specific promotional company. There are NO other fighters who have said they will not work with Arum, GBP, or any other promotional company. Floyd is the only one. Not that difficult of a concept to grasp, really. If Bradley was mandatory right now, Bradley would be denied a fight. Simple! Good point made about Floyd being the historic first and ONLY fighter to ever refuse negotiations because of the opponent's promoter. Regarding the bold highlight in your comment, that's an intriguing question to contemplate. His decision could either backfire on him or expose him. It would be a backfire if he considers Bradley no threat to his health or his "O" and be an easy-work easy-payday, but he's forced to deny the fight & lose out on the easy money just to keep up appearances of hating Arum; or, he would be exposed as a liar if he does flip-flop and negotiate for the easy money fight. It's a lose-lose situation for him either way. It's only a win for him if he considers Tim a similar threat as Manny to his health and/or losing that O.

If this is true then why was floyd willing to do business with arum during the first round of negotiations up until both fighters couldn't agree on a cutoff date? If this is true then why was floyd willing to do business with arum during his low ball offer of a $40 flat fee to fight Pac. Seems as if Floyd had no problem dealing with arum back then nor was it even a reason why he didn't want to fight Pac. Now all of a sudden "Arum is the reason". Cmon man. It's plain as day that Floyd doesn't want to fight Pacquiao. Floyd doesn't even have to see or shake arums hand. All he has to do is let Al haymon and his team deal directly with arum. Once that's done all floyd has to do is step in the ring with pac and handle his business. He didn't. He didn't contact Arum at all. However, its "plain as day" that Mayweather is trolling the hell out of people like you. I'm still trying to figure out what makes people think Mayweather is physically scared to fight Pacquiao. There's nothing about Pacquiao's fighting style, especially in 2014, that Mayweather would be scared of. Can someone please breakdown what it is that they think Pacquiao would beat Mayweather with? Its pretty obvious that there is a promotional war between everybody involved, and Mayweather probably feels at this point that he can generate just as much, if not more, money fighting someone else than he would with Pacquiao, especially considering Pacquiao would command more PPV revenue than anyone else he could potentially fight. He's probably looking at this situation as an unnecessary hassle and borderline irrelevant at this point, considering the moment he beats Pacquiao all any of you people on this forum would say is that Pacquiao was washed up and Floyd cherry picked him to, just like you do for anybody else he fights.

The man is the top dog in boxing and if you ever been number one at anything it's very simple to understand. For starters the fight not happening isn't at the least Floyd's fault. Pacroid had an opportunity to do two things that people refuse to even acknowledge. One, that he was a clean fighter, but instead showed me he isn't by not taking a simple little test. Two, that he could beat Floyd, something I know he can't do without juicing and even then I still see Pacroid losing. People love to point the finger at Floyd mainly because he's undefeated and as I will always say, that Americans love a winner so long as that winner isn't black. Floyd offered the juicer $40million & after Pacroid went on the record saying he would take less money to make the fight for the fans he turned right around and ran from that offer. That to me make him not only a juicing cheater but a liar as well. Its my opinion that Pacroid knew that taking the test would be his downfall in the world of boxing since it would be discovered he was in fact using roids. So when the testing issue came up he pretty much s**t his pants until he could get Bobby boy to pull another rabbit out his hat & make fans think its Floyd's fault this fight hasn't happen. Name calling...delusional logic...mirroring Floyd Sr.'s unproven steroids accusation...making a lengthy two paragraph rant without even answering dman4093's quote that you're replying to...and finally playing the RACE CARD...you epically FAIL all around, dude! LOL...Major Floydiot. You're as bad as the Pac-tards. Why don't you leave the discussions to the real FloydFans and PacFans and spare yourself further embarrassment. Yup...back onto the short yellow bus you go, back to Floydiot Town, bless your heart.

Not long ago... 'Take the test and we have a fight'..Floyd Maynever Jr.:lol1:

floyd said that when he was with top rank Bob Arum held millions of dollars that was due to him. That's why when his contract was over he left and swore to NEVER do business with him...EVER. I don't understand what's so hard to understand. If I owed you money, would you allow me to make history off you?? You guys can't be that slow. Everyone said floyd ducked cotto but the moment cotto left top rank floyd fought him.... If this is true then why was floyd willing to do business with arum during the first round of negotiations up until both fighters couldn't agree on a cutoff date? If this is true then why was floyd willing to do business with arum during his low ball offer of a $40 flat fee to fight Pac. Seems as if Floyd had no problem dealing with arum back then nor was it even a reason why he didn't want to fight Pac. Now all of a sudden "Arum is the reason". Cmon man. It's plain as day that Floyd doesn't want to fight Pacquiao. Floyd doesn't even have to see or shake arums hand. All he has to do is let Al haymon and his team deal directly with arum. Once that's done all floyd has to do is step in the ring with pac and handle his business.

You waste a lot of time thinking. There's only two answers you need to be concerned with -- yes or no. Floyd's answer today is NO. Anything to explain that is just blah blah because the only answer that matters is NO. I'll have to disagree with you this time on this. Millions of boxing fans are "thinking" about this, asking "Why?" Whenever the answer is a flat outright "NO," it's human nature to ask why that's the answer. Lingering questions remain unresolved. We've all seen the universality of children asking Why? Why? Why? It's human nature to search for TRUTH. I've come to form the opinion that those who don't want to hear any explanation or resolution of the questions are those who are afraid to face the embarrassing truth, preferring to stay in denial. Ignorance would be bliss. There's a contingent of those who feel that Floyd is "making the brothers look bad," so they'd prefer to squash anymore talk and explanation of the subject, not wanting to hear anything else that could prove embarrassing. I understand now why you said you'd prefer Floyd would just retire. It makes sense if staying out of the limelight and not doing anymore talking would spare the brothers further embarrassment. Sometimes the truth hurts. You have my sympathies. 'Nuff said.

That's the odd thing. We never get a satisfactory answer for this. Even Espinoza comes out and says the fight can't happen while Pac is with Arum. OK. Why? Because Floyd doesn't like Arum? I mean, is that a good enough reason? Really? If this was anyone but Floyd, it'd be a completely unacceptable answer. Imagine if Pac didn't want to fight Floyd because for example, let's say Floyd was with Murad Muhammed. However, because it's Floyd, somehow it's OK that he doesn't want to fight a guy because of who the other guy's promoter is. Can anyone think of another example of this? I mean, really....it comes down to this. Floyd doesn't want Pac or Arum making a dime off him. Remember what 50 Cent (yeah, I know, I'm quoting 50) - that Floyd is obsessed with not just how much money HE makes, but how much money OTHERS make. I don't think he's scared of Pac but I think the idea Pac and Arum making a killing in a fight of his burns him up. Of course, he lacks the emotional maturity to understand that Pac is a fundamental part of the money that would generate. But he just doesn't want to give Pac/Arum a payday. And I think that's what it comes down to. And that's not acceptable to me. But hey, I'm not one of his millions of enablers. Well said. It's kind of sad how an obsession with money/business overrides the idealism of a true prize-fighting legacy. But like the boy says, "Legacy don't pay bills."

Business with Bob Arum equals= Short change, Linen on all property's, Bank Accounts Frozen, Debt to multiple governments. Who would do business with Bob Arum? For a fact Floyd will not see 100m working with that Con Artist. Bed linens, bath linens or kitchen linens? I suppose most properties need all three types to enable one to live comfortably. LOL

I bet this reply also gets BRONER'ed floyd said that when he was with top rank Bob Arum held millions of dollars that was due to him. That's why when his contract was over he left and swore to NEVER do business with him...EVER. I don't understand what's so hard to understand. If I owed you money, would you allow me to make history off you?? You guys can't be that slow. Everyone said floyd ducked cotto but the moment cotto left top rank floyd fought him.... PrinceCharlez, you say you "don't understand what's so hard to understand"...and it's funny to us, who do understand, observing how you don't understand and see the truth through the BS. I think it's apparent that you're just willing to "understand" what "Floyd said"... accepting it as gospel truth, blindly accepting his smoke screen without any critical thinking. Okay, you present two issues to discuss and raise questions: 1. If Bob Arum owes Floyd money, why isn't there any ongoing litigation/court case to recover that money? I see people going to court suing to recover so much less, how much more for Floyd's "millions of dollars that was due to him"? You go on to say that, "when his contract was over he left..." I thought Floyd bought out the remainder of his contract with Bob for $750,000 in 2006. If Bob owes Floyd "millions of dollars," why would Floyd throw an additional $750,000 into his pockets? 2. You say Floyd "swore to NEVER do business with him...EVER." As Stephen Espinoza relayed to the boxing public recently, that IS the current excuse/roadblock. Yeah, we NOW have a "promotional issue" that's preventing Floyd from meeting Manny "anytime, anywhere." And yet, back in 2009/2010, there were "official and serious" negotiations going on...even though you-know-WHO was Manny's promoter. Funny how that fact is conveniently forgotten or ignored. Why was there no "promotional issue" blocking the earlier negotiations, but now it is an issue? Do you notice the pattern here? In conclusion, you're absolutely correct...we "can't be that slow"...as slow as YOU and everyone else who blindly buys into everything that "Floyd said" as gospel truth, conveniently ignoring facts and twisting reality to justify your delusional rants. Don't worry, PrinceCharlez, I'll understand if you're too embarrassed to answer the questions posed here. I'm getting used to it. Everyone else on your level whom I've questioned has pulled the BRONER on me, making the quick vanishing act in exiting the ring to jump back onto the short yellow bus back to Floydiot Town. So it's okay, you're not alone, bro...you're in good company, bless your little heart. Peace.

I thought it's always been about testing issues. For 4 years. Now it's Arum. :D Why tf didn't he say so? And his floydiots are once again all over the place justifying the new excuse. Worst fanbase in history. :FlagCanad

One of the dumbest things you've read because you have no concept of what a true champion is or what it takes to be one. Let me take you back young buck. To the era of true boxing. Where legacies were made and boxers fought for the pride and the sport. Real champs like Super ray, Hagler, Duran, the hit man Herns. You tube it and you'll learn what boxing truly is.They took the risk and gave the people what they wanted. What do we have now? A so called champion fighting for himself and picking b and c class fighters? Promotional camps in disagreement? Fans yearning for a mega fight? It's a frigging joke. This day and age of boxing is not prize fighting. That's where you are missing guided and confused. It's become a business more than anything. It's turned into that and fmj is at helm. Definition of a champion=a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a sport. Feel free to be educated anytime. Lol. The bold print again. Grow up - LOL, Hilarious

The bold printed statement was one of the dumbest things I have ever read. This is prize fighting. One of the dumbest things you've read because you have no concept of what a true champion is or what it takes to be one. Let me take you back young buck. To the era of true boxing. Where legacies were made and boxers fought for the pride and the sport. Real champs like Super ray, Hagler, Duran, the hit man Herns. You tube it and you'll learn what boxing truly is.They took the risk and gave the people what they wanted. What do we have now? A so called champion fighting for himself and picking b and c class fighters? Promotional camps in disagreement? Fans yearning for a mega fight? It's a frigging joke. This day and age of boxing is not prize fighting. That's where you are missing guided and confused. It's become a business more than anything. It's turned into that and fmj is at helm. Definition of a champion=a person who has defeated or surpassed all rivals in a sport. Feel free to be educated anytime. Lol.

The thing about Arum is that he's doing exactly what he learned over the course of his long life and its how he's learned to do business. He isn't a counselor or a social worker, his obligations are to his bottom line, profit. So as a result its clear he doesn't care about his fighters on a basic human level. He's shown time and again he will not bargain in good faith if it doesn't absolutely benefit him, totally logical from a businessman's perspective. I'm not hating on Arum, on the contrary his business model makes money, its a proven fact. I think Arum's or Schaefer's involvement in promotion confuses fans because we just want good fights and don't much care for the reasons why they don't happen. The complexity and unfairness of the business gets lost in this.

Floyd is just using Arum as an excuse. He wants Pac to sign a long-term contract with him, wear 16 oz gloves, fight in a 32 foot ring, have Roger and Floyd Senior as judges, Haymon as the ref, get a 90-10 split and all the PPV sales, Pac can't weigh more than 148 on fight night, has to take 2 blood tests every day and immediately before and after the fight, Pac can't have water between rounds, Roach can't enter the ring at any time and must work the corner from the press row, and Pac can't use the straight left. Yeah, I think the fight is pretty easy to make, all Arum has to do is step aside.