i think his chin is as strong as it ever was. he just didn't see the the shot coming. all this "he tripped" bs is just that......BULL****
he lunged.....he got caught.....deal with it
i don't think it will be bernard like, but i do believe bradley can beat him convincingly
pac avoided primed, quick, young, athletic, boxers for a reason
'09 jmm was closer to his prime
'12 jmm was a bit stronger and few years older
i think the best way to look at it is this. should floyd face jmm again he'd most likely shut him out a second time. maybe jmm gets a charity round this time
fact is jmm's footwork has gotten worse while floyd's is just about the same. and for those who believe that "floyd's legs are gone" crap? that's a bunch of nonsense
shoot....if jmm managed to beat floyd he'd skyrocket on everyone's atg list. he got a better track record as far as taking on game, credible opponents than pac and floyd combined
Marquez had better conditioning in last night's fight than he did against Floyd, but he didn't win because of his conditioning, he won because of this :
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let the truth be told
Jesus, some of you guys are ridiculous!!!
It was no lucky punch. JMM countered a lazy ass jab and nuked Manny. So what, it happens, get over it. Too many of you ****ers are too emotionally involved in this ****, acting like a bunch of women, bitter and jealous.
it's mainly the thread starter who claims to not have anything against jmm but it sure seems like it, or the *******s who just can't accept the fact that their man was finally made to pay for bad habits
Marquez has improved in a lot of ways. As far as being more competitive, maybe its 117-111 instead of 119-109.
Keep in mind, Pacquiao was winning the fight and beating Marquez to the punch before he got caught with that shot. Marquez was bloodied and on wobbly legs.
He showed a lot of grit and determination and I give him full credit but nothing he did last night leads me to believe that a fight vs. Mayweather would be any different.
well said. maybe jmm wins a round or 2 but other than that it'll be a replay of the first fight
Right at the end of round 5 Manny connects a good straight left hand by feinting and them comming in with the straight left. It got JMM straight on the face.
He tried that again just before the knock out. Check it out if you can.
A fighter like JMM would have made a mental note of that thats why he reacted the way he did by timing , slipping and throwing the overhand right.
The argument for luck can be that manny came in fast. But whose to say that JMM was not aware of the fact that manny would be comming in fast and committed with his movement thus making it a bigger punch upon impact.
It was timed well and executed perfectly.
jmm was smarter than pac just like he always has been. it's why a fighter who's slower, weaker, and not as athletic can hang with the superior athlete
well put, dude
Courageous? How? Because he has no defense and gets knocked out cold ? You think that's courage?
Try making $30 million a fight and not getting marked up, scratched, and knocked out cold needing sea salts to wake you up. That's G.
the sad thing about it is so many think this. they love the reckless and carefree and despise the careful, thoughtful fighter
Exactly!!! You throw a punch with the intention of it connecting, so when in lands how can it be luck?
Unless Marquez meant to throw a feint and Pacquiao ran onto the feint? Lol
Or if someone means to throw an uppercut to the body and his opponent trips on his own boot lace and his chin drops onto the uppercut :lol1:
be careful. dude's pushing this whole "pac tripped" theory too you know:rofl:
That's discipline right there. Staying in shape when fights not even announced yet.
yup. always been his way of doing things and explains why he's always in phenomenal shape
JMM attempted that KO punch at the 10 second mark when he was like a mile away, if he was as intelligent and masterful as you are saying, why did he do that?? He attempted the EXACT same punch 10 seconds later, as Pacquiao was rushing in and he walked right into his face. JMM has never done anything like that before...hence the reason why it is lucky.
"I never thought that Juan could knock out Pacquiao. Juan is not a . He is a very precise fighter, and hits hard but not violently. He gets you with three shots in a row at the tip of the chin and he hurts you, but not like . What happened was a phenomenon," - Nacho Bernstein
are you simply trying to make yourself popular here? lol
you're focusing on the last 10 second mark as opposed to watching the whole damn fight. the reason jmm didn't look as crisp as he has in the previous fight was that he bulked up too much. so you're trying to devalue his win by indicating he was lucky is lame. not saying you are lame, but what you're trying to get people here to buy is
why aren't you taking into account the number of times pac did that same feint, leap in **** in the previous 3 fights? everyone for the most part realizes that jmm knows pac better than any other fighter. is it hard for you to realize that if a fighter tries the sames thing over and over again someone can devise a way to make them pay for being so repetitive?
what pac did in this fight(well moreso the last 2 rounds) is REVERT back to the reckless idiot who jmm beat the dog **** out of after getting dropped 3 times in one round. you get reckless you get countered. the only difference this go round was that jmm was stronger
Look at Marquez catching his sparring partner with that same lucky shot :
Goddamn, he must have a 4 leaf clover in his trunks or something...
i'd stop trying if i were you. it's seems pointless
countless good points go ignored for the sake of furthering his flawed argument. that post you put up previously was gold. hit the nail on the head
Check this out, he's been working on that counter all throughout camp. That's why they didn't wanna let the 24/7 cameras film the sparring sessions but thankfully, one of them got leaked and you can see that same short counter right hand he knocked Pacquiao out with :
Amazing that he was able to think clearly and execute this move even though he was hurt. :hail::hail::hail:
yup. prepared himself like a true professional, but this will not stop all these 'lucky punch' believers. smh
I'll bite on this thread. The one thing the starter failed to mention in favour of focusing on how he thought the fight was panning out, is that Marquez took advantage of something Pacquiao does over and over again. That's punch while stepping in simultaneously. He also repeatedly lunges. I saw an analysis on Pacman and his supposed improvement. He does this three punch "right-left-right" combo while running forwards. He did it to Cotto and landed but had tried it on Marquez in '08 and didn't but nearly got knocked down. Marquez didn't need to set anything up. He created the perfect distance with a little shuffle back, waited Manny's habitual lunge starting with right (where he also drops his left before firing everyday time), then instead stepping back or the side, he stepped forward and delivered the overland right. Nothing lucky about.
If you're going to talk about circumstance, then you might as well bring up the fact they both made it to the ring at the same time as there was no guarantee for that either. The fact is, Marquez knows Pacquiao better than any opponent and knows his habits. He knows Pac responds to feints which is hobble dropped him the first time. He knows Pacquiao lunges and dropped him again. It was experience, study and the uncanny timing amd ability to take advantage of an opportunity as only a great boxer can. The fact that Pac stumbled is unfortunate for him as it might have changed the effect of the punch. But nothing about the delivery(as it happened AFTER Pacquiao makes his move) can be associated with luck.
Are there lucky punches? For me a punch can only be described as lucky if it's thrown without any remote idea of where your opponent is, ie. in the dark. Those seeking solace about this fight should do it elsewhere.this obviously means nothing to him and those that foolishly think the same as him :killyou: