Crappy fight, Floyd instead of go looking for ancient small light weights at the end of their career (and cheat them at weight) should take a challenge with Martínez, but he already got his agenda full with Guerrero I guess.
The "welterweight" JMM that Floyd fought was just an overweight lightweight, if you care to look it up when Marquez moved up for the third Paq fight he looked a lot better, more fit than fat, and this fight he looked better yet. The WW version of JMM that fought Paq last night would kill the WW version of JMM that fought Floyd, and he would be much more effective in a second fight against Floyd, but the end result would be a Floyd win.
Mayweather never used his weight to overpower Marquez. He beat him with skills. If they were the same weight, Mayweather would still have the skills to beat him. And it's not power that dropped Pacquiao. It's timing. Pac was more aggressive, the more aggressive you are the harder you are going to collide into a punch. It's science. In another words, it's logic. In another words, it's reality.
Exactly, but don't mind the Weebler. He's a bitter Hatton fan who predicted Hatton would brutally KO Floyd, and since then, he's been picking anybody to beat Floyd just because he needs it for his self-esteem.
With that being said, no. Floyd is smarter, better defensively, and more athletic than Marquez. He had every advantage. Manny was more athletic than Marquez, but you saw what happened to him for not being smart defensively. Floyd whoops any version of Marquez at any weight.
NO. Mayweather would win just as easily in a rematch and for those saying Marquez developed some other worldly power last night maybe its Pac's ability to take a punch that's changed. His defense has never been good.
Yeah sure, let's see it, and not give Mayweather any credit after he shuts out, and completely dominates this new and improved Marquez :lol1:
Anyway, this fight is financially a lot better than a fight with Bradley or Rios. But obviously if Marquez wants one last decent payday, and a sure win against a young undefeated fighter in an exciting fight, he should definitely fight Brandon Rios. Easy pickings, easy $5-8mill, ride off with millions of dollars and on top as a top 3 P4P fighter, #1 WW at 40 years old.
If Marquez wants a sure loss but a crazy payday in return, something like $12-15million, then fight Mayweather.
(a) If Floyd beat him with skills he'll have no trouble dropping to 143/144 for a rematch, right? after all, his Dad and Uncle say he can make 140 easy.
(b) Marquez has had good timing for over a decade, yet all over sudden after 4 fights and 37 rounds he's taking Pacquiao's head off?
sorry but I don't buy it, Floyd has great timing too but he's not dropping anyone like that, he didn't even put Ortiz to sleep with 2 free shots
yet Marquez is a KO machine now?
JMM is a great but I'm just saying, it's suspect as fcuk.
a. Me personally, I don't think he can make that weight easily as Roger and Sr says. Roger and Sr says a lot of things. Freddie Roach says a lot of things. People in boxing says a lot of things. People in general says a lot things. I do my own thinking. And I think it will be difficult for Floyd to go from 154 to 140.
And if there is enough demand for a Mayweather vs Marquez rematch, then why not? But judging from this forum alone, I don't see enough demand for that fight.
b. I'm not saying Marquez's timing was the only factor. I'm saying, Pac's over aggressiveness on top of Marquez's timing multiplied the collision of the face and the fist. I never thought of Marquez as a power puncher. Nor did I think Mayweather was a power puncher. Which is why these two fighters rely on timing to magnify the damage.
love JMM and I thought he won the last fight but come on, he's developed Pacquao-style power at 39?
What Pacs style power ? his CW power with weakened opponents , or the coke habit shot fighter power , or the healthy little guys like Bradley saying he dont punch hard , Pac fanboys are greatest hype swallowers of the decade , Manny was soooo over rated at WW .
Mayweather never used his weight to overpower Marquez. He beat him with skills. If they were the same weight, Mayweather would still have the skills to beat him. And it's not power that dropped Pacquiao. It's timing. Pac was more aggressive, the more aggressive you are the harder you are going to collide into a punch. It's science. In another words, it's logic. In another words, it's reality.
(a) If Floyd beat him with skills he'll have no trouble dropping to 143/144 for a rematch, right? after all, his Dad and Uncle say he can make 140 easy.
(b) Marquez has had good timing for over a decade, yet all over sudden after 4 fights and 37 rounds he's taking Pacquiao's head off?
sorry but I don't buy it, Floyd has great timing too but he's not dropping anyone like that, he didn't even put Ortiz to sleep with 2 free shots
yet Marquez is a KO machine now?
JMM is a great but I'm just saying, it's suspect as fcuk.
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I don't mind seeing a rematch between Marquez and Floyd since Marquez went up in weight properly this time. But, he was slow last night.
love JMM and I thought he won the last fight but come on, he's developed Pacquao-style power at 39?
Mayweather never used his weight to overpower Marquez. He beat him with skills. If they were the same weight, Mayweather would still have the skills to beat him. And it's not power that dropped Pacquiao. It's timing. Pac was more aggressive, the more aggressive you are the harder you are going to collide into a punch. It's science. In another words, it's logic. In another words, it's reality.
You cant talk like that with Pac fanboys they not very boxing smart it will go woooosh over their heads like a flying saucer , they are the most boxing ignorant fanboys Ive ever seen anywhere .
This Marquez http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mayweather+Jr+v+Marquez+Weigh+etbc6A1aQtTl.jpg
and this Marquez
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1847553/Marquez_against_Pacquiao.jpg
are 2 completely different animals.
Maybe just a bit more competitive, but I doubt it would last longer than 2-3 rounds before it starts looking like the same fight. Floyd just mentally deflates guys, even warriors like Marquez.
Marquez has improved in a lot of ways. As far as being more competitive, maybe its 117-111 instead of 119-109.
Keep in mind, Pacquiao was winning the fight and beating Marquez to the punch before he got caught with that shot. Marquez was bloodied and on wobbly legs.
He showed a lot of grit and determination and I give him full credit but nothing he did last night leads me to believe that a fight vs. Mayweather would be any different.
well said. maybe jmm wins a round or 2 but other than that it'll be a replay of the first fight
It always would have been competitive if Mayweather had fought him at a fair weight.
However, with Marquez's new-found one-punch power at the age of 39, Mayweather won't touch him with a barge pole.
Mayweather never used his weight to overpower Marquez. He beat him with skills. If they were the same weight, Mayweather would still have the skills to beat him. And it's not power that dropped Pacquiao. It's timing. Pac was more aggressive, the more aggressive you are the harder you are going to collide into a punch. It's science. In another words, it's logic. In another words, it's reality.
Definitely would be more competitive in my opinion. Mayweather would probably still win clearly on points, but with Marquez in proper condition there's no way Mayweather shuts him out in the rematch. Marquez wouldn't fight Mayweather the same way anyway, he's already fought him before so being a ring technician he'll learn from the first fight. But, so will Mayweather. The difference is that Mayweather didn't fight a good version of Marquez, whereas Marquez fought a decent version of Mayweather (even though he'd been out the ring for a while.)
NO...not because JMM is not good but more so because of STYLE!
"STYLE MAKE FIGHTS" is not something people just say because it sounds good...IT IS TRUE!