People having a hard time to realize that every boxers between 140-147 against Pacquiao excepts Mayweather will be considered by the flomos as sh!t fight.
And to think that these Floydiots are fooled when May described Ortiz as a hungry young lion...
TB is so much better fighter than the hungry young kitten like Ortiz.
And I think this would make MPs resume a lot better. Before Mosley, people are questioning MP because he hasnt fought any Black American fighter. Unfortunately, after the fight, they thought Mosley is too old. So now that MP is fighting an Black American hungry young lion so there is no reason to not give MP some props if the fight is made.
Besides, TB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ortiz. Ortiz is lucky that he won against Berto who, even with such a "good resume", has yet to prove himself against prime welters.
If manny is either an american or mexican, he would be bigger than Mayweather even during his younger years. What more if he was a black american? Imagine if Manny and May has swapped their resumes, May would have been the best fighter in the history of sport -- bar none. Unfortunately, MP is a Filipino. And it is known that Filipinos hasnt been dominating the sport with huge support from fans around the globe until now.
And because he was a Filipino, it is very hard to gain enough recognition and be in a bigger stage. I mean, just take a look and see what happened during the ODLH fight, only a few fans knew that Pacman is indeed the better fighter before the fight until Pac blew Oscar. This is unlike May, who has been under the radar during his younger years.
This is why, he should be given a lot of props for becoming who is he now.
Unfortunately, people dont think the same way.
Well, honestly Pac vs Bradley is not too bad at all. However, if Floyd asks MP to fight him, Bradley will definitely understand the situation and give MP vs Floyd a go. He will have his biggest purse next anyway so there is no point in arguing on who should go first.
Pac would definitely want to fight Floyd because there's money in there. There is nothing for him to lose. Unfortunately, Floyd's career is built to ensure that he wins all the time. So he will surely duck Pac. You can even backread what his family (Sr and Roger) were saying and you'll definitely understand why Floyd is ducking pac like a coward.
they cant be waiting for floyd to be done with his vacation streak everytime :/
You never said it better. These Flomo fools will just keep on mumbling to change what happened just to keep Floyd over MP. lol!
Then,
Pac: Fight me.
Floyd: Take the test!
Now,
Pac: Im willing to take all your stupid tests.
Floyd: Uhhmmm....take the test?
- - - - - - - - - -
Serg: Fight me.
Floyd:Take the test.
Serg: OK. All take any tests you want.
Floyd: You aint got no money.
- - - - - - - - - -
Amir: Cmon Floyd, Fight me.
Floyd: OK.
After months of waiting,
Amir: Hey Floyd, whaddup?
Floyd: Take my kid Vargas first, or Presscott....
Amir: WTF!
Everyone knows that this thing isnt about NSAC. The issue here is that Floyd is still afraid of Pac.
He could have fought Pac anytime he wants if May has the urge to fight him IMO. And even with Pac's willingness to take the tests, May is obviously ducking the issue when he's being asked.
Always remember that there is always a "clause" in Pac's future fights. If Mayweather has finally decided to open up the negotiations and fight MP, then the other opponent will definitely give in so Pac can fight May.
But since thereare no hints that May is ready to go against Pacquiao, then its ok to consider that Bradley will be next.
Will definitely buy pac's fight because its a great/challenging boxing match for both Pac and Bradley. While, Floyd's like i'll pay to watch it if and only if I miss Floyd so much since I haven't seen him in a year. I mean, him fighting Cotto is a JOKE. He could sell the fight if he has done it before pac rammed him down like a trailer truck! Nothing against Cotto, I mean he is really a good boxer but to be at the level of Pac and Floyd... I dont know. Secondly, we already knew how he fared before so personally, Id rather have COTTO fight against the likes of Canelo or JCC....
Everyone knows that Floyd is simply just scared of Pac. but he needs Pac just to get a big payday because he needs to ride on Pac's popularity as the most popular villain. He also knows that his fights is no longer as popular as the P4P king so he has to get Alvarez to keep his numbers within the range of Pacs.
All those s*it he's saying that he's a bigger draw was a thing of the past. And only stupid fans and moronic writers like Ben Thompson of fighthype.com would argue that Floyd can still sell as good as Pac.
are you serious, clottey beat judah and folded in every other major fight.
he was a punching bag for pacquiao!!!! Lol
I never said that Clottey is the best welter out there. But definitely he's a lot better than Ortiz. Yes, Ortiz had a good match against Berto, but just take a look at his fight against Maidana, HE QUITTED. And he was beaten with a sucker punch against Floyd? How embarassing would that be? LOL.
Now, Clottey, has obviously became a punching bag. But most of pacs opponents were like that since Cotto, unless they run away from Pac.
the point is you are talking about obvious mismatches and here are your mismatches, all in house fights for pacquiao at catchweights or some other foolishness....
Fighting for a title in which neither combatant deserved to fight for??
pacquiao / margarito
1. Floyd is fighting against in-house fighters too. How many non-GBP fighters had he fought since ODLH?
2. What's wrong with catchweights? For as long as both parties agrees on it, I dont see anything wrong with that.
3. I hate Margarito too. I think he should be banned from the sport forever. But you have to admit that Pac fighting Margarito at a 4 inch and 16 pound disadvantage at marg's own weight class is pretty much impressive as Floyd has never gave any advantage as huge as that to any of his own opponents since day 1.
i told you clowns that pac was gonna fight bradley retards...
here we have pac fighting next month but we all know who his next opponent in 2012 is, yet you say floyd is afraid....
You seem to miss the point, kid. Everyone knows that the next opponent for Pac is definitely Mayweather IF HE (FLOYD) AGREES TO FIGHT HIM. All May needs to do is say "I WANT TO FIGHT PAC" and open the negotiations. However, everyone knows that Mayweather will not fight Pac that eventhough Pac and Arum has already confirmed about taking the tests, May still hasnt shown any hints that he is ready to fight MP. Instead, after telling the media that Pac is next, he later denied his own statements. pac cant wait for Mayweather forever. A lot of people wants to see him fight. So there is no point in spending too much time waiting.
does anyone know who floyds next opponent is? You can joke etc about vacations all you want, but the point is manny is trying to negotiate but the muthfukka already has dates filled....lol
Nobody cares about Floyd's next opponent because nobody knows when he will fight next especially when Floyd takes long breaks after every fight. So there is no point in discussing who's next. Boxing is a fluid sport. Just take a look at what happened to Berto. Before his fight against Ortiz ended, people knows that Floyd is fighting Berto next. However, Ortiz defeated him, so May switched to VO instead.
As I said, Pac needs to have alternative plans in case May ducks him again. This is the same case as after Arum called on Mayweather and put a timer on the top rank website. He chose MP's next opponent days later after no statement from may was received after the deadline. I hope you remember when Pac agreed to fight JMM after Moseley, Floyd, negotiated with Ortiz.
anyway, floydiots will buy his fights whether he fights ivan calderon or chris john.
My point here is that Floyd knows that people will always watch him fight because of his 0 and not because of the quality of opponents he has. Just compare his resume against Pac so you will see the huge difference.
you are buying old man marquez and you will buy bradley as well b!tch....lol
i bet you bought clottey fagg0t lol
So what? That's my money. Thanks for the reaction by the way. LOOOOL!
Take note:
Pac vs Clottey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May vs Ortiz
Pac vs JMM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May vs Ortiz
Just a phrase, action speaks louder than posts kid.... May is afraid.
nah... the only thing that May has to say is "I want to fight Pacquiao" and open the negotiations. When this happens, the fight will definitely push through unless May plays hardball again so he can earn a lot from fighting tomato cans.
Anyway, floydiots will buy his fights whether he fights Ivan Calderon or Chris John.
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nonito Donaire
3. Brandon Rios
4. Amir Khan
5. Timothy Bradley
6. Floyd Mayweather ( Second best behind Pacquiao. For old time sake. I used to say he was the best until Pacman came.)
7. Vtali Klitschko
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. Vargas whooo???
10. Larry Merchant
You also gotta need to check for his elbows. Not saying this as the thing that makes him win but if you got elbowed without the ref noticing it, his competitors shouldn't let it mess up their head/gameplan. This can frustrate them too. I just read Hagler vs Sugar's discussion writeup (with interviews from both fighters) from ESPN and it seems that both are really trying to psych each other out.
96-99
Pacquiao
WBC Int'l Super BantamW
Fought and Won at Super FlyW
Lineal & WBC World FlyW
Mayweather
Lineal & WBC Super FeatherW
00-09
Pacquiao: Fighter of the Decade
10-11
Pacquiao
Wins: Clottey, Margarito, Moseley
Won WBC World SWW/JMW (`10)
WBO World WW
Mayweather
Wins: Against Moseley, Ortiz
Won WBC World WW (`11)
So definitely, Pacquiao has a better resume. Its Floyd's fault why his resume can't surpass Pac. He could have fought Pac to end the discussion, and yet he'd rather fight tomato cans (less dangerous opponents high profit) than to seal the deal against Pac.
All the bestowed accolades that Pacquiao was given will only matter as long as he doesn't get in the ring with Floyd.
Arum, Roach and Manny know that nothing they've done will matter if:
1 - they take the USADA tests and come up dirty
or 2 - Floyd beats Manny's asss.
Marquez already did it twice and Marquez is not the boxer than Floyd is. He's admitted as much. Pacquiao has come up with everything from USADA being dirty to fighting Floyd being against his principles to being afraid of needles despite having tattoos to him not being in charge of who he fights next.
He can run, but Pacquiao cannot hide. And all of his writer awards won't save his asss if he finds the courage to get into the ring.
Peasant arguments isn't that Pacquiao has done more or fought better opponents. No, instead their entire argument is that Pacquiao has been given more awards and plaques.
See what will count more among historians if Pacquiao keeps ducking the fight with Floyd.
I stopped after reading....
What the fuc k! Are you kidding me? MP afraid of May? Did you ask around? Ahhh. You're a floydiot, that's why the delusions. Cant argue. Im not detached to reality.
LOL!
At the end of the day, Pacquiao's legacy will outshine Floyd's. And he will definitely be one of the best. There is only one Fighter of the Decade awardee in the time of Mayweather, and that is PACQUIAO. Can you imagine that? That's a big smack in Floyd's face!
When Manny was fighting at super feather weight, people are saying that its impossible for Pac to jump at WW because guys at this division will easily whoop his as s. But now that Manny has took it to a whole new level ONE YEAR LATER AFTER THIS THREAD, Floydiots are discrediting him because they thought, those WW are giving him easy fights. WTF! LOL!
A fight with Cotto alone >>>>>> Zab Judah + Baldo combined.
Precious thread. I hope this gets a bump until Pac retires...
If manny didnt move up, people would think that those fighters are still at their best. Anyway, just my 2 cents...
@topic
People change because they want to. Life is not all about boxing.
Once this sh1t is all said and done, people will realize that we're all misled by Arum and Mayweather. And that's what this Pac vs Mayweather is all about.
Dont get me wrong, Pac and Floyd have talent. But IMO, in boxing world nowadays, talent is not enough. Someone should be able to back you up so people will pay you and watch.
These are all just mind games for Floyd. If Pac gave in to his demands, it will just prove that he is the better crowd drawer between the two even though his sales are not as big as it was expected of him and pac is selling more PPVs in the USA. Even brands like Nike are leaning towards Pac because they knew Pac definitely has more PAYING followers than Floyd.
Pac's resume is a lot better than floyd. Pac's been selling a lot better in US PPVs than Floyd. Floyd said he will agree to fight Pac if Pac agrees on tests. Now, Floyd has exposed himself that's why he needs Canelo in the card to sell more tickets....
Floyd will soon become the biggest coward in the sport of boxing...