if sergio wants pac, 150 is where its at...

It's getting pathetic? I agree. Let's face it, you know nothing about Darren Barker. You first heard of him when Martinez signed to fight him. I have followed Darren Barker's entire career of 23 fights. The only reason you support this fight is solely because he was fighitng Martinez. Which again highlights your obvious bias. I've never heard of him, yes, but I was impressed with the performance. Most of those were ranked fighters. However, Ricardo Torres is about as good a win for Cotto as Barker is for Martinez. I agree & Torres went on to become champion & have some entertaining fights with Holt after the exposer with Cotto. Barker is worse because he isn't a quality opponet and isn't a big name. And has no world level experience and done nothing in his career although he's coming 30. Big name & quality are not the same. Winky Wright was all quality with no big name, what does name have to do with anything outside of draw power? They didn't. Again, I don't support those fights. Never have. You don't, yet, you have no issue with Barker for Martinez. That's the issue, you have an obvious double standard. At worst they're all as bad as each other. At worst they are as bad as each other, but the fact remains that Barker was billed as the easiest fight for Martinez in years,(although he wasn't). Pacman's been taking on nothing but easy fights, with Margarito & Mosley heading south quicker than pan Am flight 103. When they got the fights. And everyone knew he was going to win last weekend. Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in the UK. Barker's country. Does that mean anything to you? Mayweather and Pacquaio have NEVER been such huge favourites in their entire career's. Let alone in the last few years. That's because Barker is such a terrible opponent. Shamelessly cherry picked by Sergio Martinez. And fanboy's like yourself not only don't critisize it but actually defend it. I'd criticize the fight if Barker was a chump that got blown away. Turned out to be a good fighter making a name for himself on the world class level. He's now a name to watch for. he isn't in the twilight of his career, he just approached the next level.

It's getting pathetic when you sit there & ask what has Barker done? Just as much as Margarito, Mosley Marquez at 147 & Clottey did, oh wait, never mind, he was winning. It's getting pathetic? I agree. Let's face it, you know nothing about Darren Barker. You first heard of him when Martinez signed to fight him. I have followed Darren Barker's entire career of 23 fights. The only reason you support this fight is solely because he was fighitng Martinez. Which again highlights your obvious bias. Then you bring up Mora for Mosley. Forrest gave Mora his chance. Cotto gave Torres his chance. Ortiz gave Maidana his chance Judah gave Mattysse his chance, just like Martinez gave Barker his chance. Most of those were ranked fighters. However, Ricardo Torres is about as good a win for Cotto as Barker is for Martinez. Mosley Margarito & Marquez are worse because all they bring are names. None were quality opponents when Pacman beat them. Floyd gave Ortiz a chance & between Floyd & Pacman, that was the only fighter that either guy gave a chance to at welterweight. Barker is worse because he isn't a quality opponet and isn't a big name. And has no world level experience and done nothing in his career although he's coming 30. Tell me did Mosley work his way up to Pacman, did Margarito, did Clottey, or even Marquez? No they did not. They worked down the ladder, but got the call anyway. Barker will fight again, & he'll look good against quality & we'll see it now that he made a name, Just like Torres, Maidana,Mattysse & all the others that got a shot. Were they cherrypicked maybe, but they were quality that no one would have known about if a star fighter didn'nt give them opertunity. They didn't. Again, I don't support those fights. Never have. You don't, yet, you have no issue with Barker for Martinez. That's the issue, you have an obvious double standard. At worst they're all as bad as each other. Everyone knows who was going to win when Pacman fought Mosley, everyone knows who's going to win when he fights Marquez. He could have given a Jones a shot, or a Berto or countless other young fighters, he chose old men. There's a mighty difference. And everyone knew he was going to win last weekend. Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in the UK. Barker's country. Does that mean anything to you? Mayweather and Pacquaio have NEVER been such huge favourites in their entire career's. Let alone in the last few years. That's because Barker is such a terrible opponent. Shamelessly cherry picked by Sergio Martinez. And fanboy's like yourself not only don't critisize it but actually defend it.

Then, Pac: Fight me. Floyd: Take the test! Now, Pac: Im willing to take all your stupid tests. Floyd: Uhhmmm....take the test? - - - - - - - - - - Serg: Fight me. Floyd:Take the test. Serg: OK. All take any tests you want. Floyd: You aint got no money. - - - - - - - - - - Amir: Cmon Floyd, Fight me. Floyd: OK. After months of waiting, Amir: Hey Floyd, whaddup? Floyd: Take my kid Vargas first, or Presscott.... Amir: WTF!

Floyd shouldbe fightingh Sergio, Sergio has called Floyd out enough times. Didnt Floyd make the excuse he offered Cotto a fight, but Cotto didnt take it? Well, when is Floyd going to offer Sergio a fight, lets see if Sergio takes it? Floyd cant use that excuse here. Why wont floyd take it? Todays version of SRL vs Hagler, or Duran vs Hagler whichever you want to see it.

ok lets get some things correct marquez was calling pacquiao out. he's the one that cant sell a ppv. explain to me this. marquez hasnt ever sold a ppv by himself. how is he gonna call pacquiao out and demand he comes down to 135 or 140? explain to me that pacquiao did a catchweight bout at 144 FOR MARQUEZ'S advantage. they could of easily made the fight at 147 just for the hell of it. The weight is not JMM advantage it is Pacs advantage , as usual , and only a fool new to boxing would think otherwise , or a Pactard lol . Do you realize the trilogy they have going and how close the other 2 fights were , this one wont be close and the reason is weight you didnt hear Pac saying he was going to KO JMM in either of the first 2 did you , whats changed lol . There is a moral element to this , an honor thing , and Pac has scammed JMM at this weight to get an easy and clear win and then he wants to claim this fight to seal the trilogy ,,,,, you dont see the scam in this , you dont see the kick in the ass JMM is getting , at your age and with your Pac bias you wouldnt . no way!! so your telling me all pacman's fights were CW?? that cant be!! thats well over 50+ fights, damm catch weight king i guess. Pac was just a top class fighter until he moved up and started manipulating CWs and opponents with 26 ft rings , unofficial gloves and paper titles , he turned into plastic man after Dias where he wants advantages or he wont fight , so no its not Pacs whole career it his WW career that is a made to order scam .

pac is a natural jww......above that aint really his best but his god given talents still allows him to beat topnotch fighters....margo was only a pound smaller than last saturday's sergio when he fought pac and that fight took place at 150,why cant he do it?..he can always weigh as much as he wants come fight night.....pwill just fought him at mw and even he was willing to fight pac at 147......pac aint asking him to fight at ww, intead at a catchweight of a division he use to rule not too long ago.....so him not willing to fight at 150 does'nt mean he's ducking but also does'nt mean he really wants it bad enough!.....:boxing: *****NEWS FLASH***** Martinez KO's Pac at any wieght!

And where do you justify JMM at 144 in all this , after all Pac is CW natural JWW right ,,,,, fuk Manny and his bullsh!t CW fights . And he will never fight Sergio as long as his ass points to the ground , Pac dont take any risks like that , if he cant CW them to an advantage for him he dont fight . ok lets get some things correct marquez was calling pacquiao out. he's the one that cant sell a ppv. explain to me this. marquez hasnt ever sold a ppv by himself. how is he gonna call pacquiao out and demand he comes down to 135 or 140? explain to me that pacquiao did a catchweight bout at 144 FOR MARQUEZ'S advantage. they could of easily made the fight at 147 just for the hell of it.

pac is a natural jww......above that aint really his best but his god given talents still allows him to beat topnotch fighters....margo was only a pound smaller than last saturday's sergio when he fought pac and that fight took place at 150,why cant he do it?..he can always weigh as much as he wants come fight night.....pwill just fought him at mw and even he was willing to fight pac at 147......pac aint asking him to fight at ww, intead at a catchweight of a division he use to rule not too long ago.....so him not willing to fight at 150 does'nt mean he's ducking but also does'nt mean he really wants it bad enough!.....:boxing: And where do you justify JMM at 144 in all this , after all Pac is CW natural JWW right ,,,,, fuk Manny and his bullsh!t CW fights . And he will never fight Sergio as long as his ass points to the ground , Pac dont take any risks like that , if he cant CW them to an advantage for him he dont fight .

Well yes, obviously he has now. Because Martinez cherry picked him. And that is the only reason he has. Other than that, he hasn't. And the fact is, before saturday. And had fought no one in his career and again had only fought above domestic level a few times. I'm sorry, but that is inexcusable for a top P4P fighter. Doesn't this fit the catergory of the 'mission'? :lol1: :lol1: Really? Really? How about work your way up. Beat some ranked fighters, fight some world level fighters and beat them. Top P4P level fighters are NOT suposed to be giving unproven fighters a 'chance'. They are supposed to be fighting ranked, established and top ranked fighters. This is just getting more pathetic every post. The way you make excuses for Martinez blatent cherry pick is just ridiculous and cringe worthy. Well, probably. Probably because Barker is a Middleweight and Margarito has never fought there. Barker would beat the Corales that Mayweather stopped. Doesn't make it a better win does it. It's getting pathetic when you sit there & ask what has Barker done? Just as much as Margarito, Mosley Marquez at 147 & Clottey did, oh wait, never mind, he was winning. Then you bring up Mora for Mosley. Forrest gave Mora his chance. Cotto gave Torres his chance. Ortiz gave Maidana his chance Judah gave Mattysse his chance, just like Martinez gave Barker his chance. Mosley Margarito & Marquez are worse because all they bring are names. None were quality opponents when Pacman beat them. Floyd gave Ortiz a chance & between Floyd & Pacman, that was the only fighter that either guy gave a chance to at welterweight. Tell me did Mosley work his way up to Pacman, did Margarito, did Clottey, or even Marquez? No they did not. They worked down the ladder, but got the call anyway. Barker will fight again, & he'll look good against quality & we'll see it now that he made a name, Just like Torres, Maidana,Mattysse & all the others that got a shot. Were they cherrypicked maybe, but they were quality that no one would have known about if a star fighter didn'nt give them opertunity. Everyone knows who was going to win when Pacman fought Mosley, everyone knows who's going to win when he fights Marquez. He could have given a Jones a shot, or a Berto or countless other young fighters, he chose old men. There's a mighty difference.

Barker has fought on a world class level now, on saturday boy. Well yes, obviously he has now. Because Martinez cherry picked him. And that is the only reason he has. Other than that, he hasn't. And the fact is, before saturday. And had fought no one in his career and again had only fought above domestic level a few times. I'm sorry, but that is inexcusable for a top P4P fighter. Doesn't this fit the catergory of the 'mission'? That means someone gave him a chance. Just like when Forrest gave Mora his chance. It means that if world class fighters do not give the young guys a chance, we'll never know how good they can be it's real simple. :lol1: :lol1: Really? Really? How about work your way up. Beat some ranked fighters, fight some world level fighters and beat them. Top P4P level fighters are NOT suposed to be giving unproven fighters a 'chance'. They are supposed to be fighting ranked, established and top ranked fighters. This is just getting more pathetic every post. The way you make excuses for Martinez blatent cherry pick is just ridiculous and cringe worthy. As it remains the Barker that Martinez ko'd still beats the Margarito that Pacman decisioned. Well, probably. Probably because Barker is a Middleweight and Margarito has never fought there. Barker would beat the Corales that Mayweather stopped. Doesn't make it a better win does it.

It really isn't arguable, in case you did not know, Barker went 11 rounds with a top pfp fighter in the world. Competitively. Margarito's last good fight on an elite level was Cotto in 2008 & it is controversial due to him being caught trying to cheat against Mosley in his very next fight. Your trying too hard & owning urself. Barker fought well, better than expected on the world class level on saturday, period. Margarito hasn't since 08 Fact. Plaster-less Margarito went 12 rounds with THE P4P #1 fighter in the world and didn't get KO'd, unlike Barker. What is your argument again?

Damn IronDan, LMAO. :lol1::lol1:

Damn IronDan, LMAO.

My angle is a Top P4P fighter has no business being in a competitive fight with a fighter that has only fought above domestic level a handful of times. Epsecially when their single fight after an injury lay-off he looked average against a Euro Level fighter. So, yes. It makes Martinez not as good as many think. A top P4P fighter has no business losing rounds and getting busted up by a fighter on Darren Barker's level. And this means, what? Am I supposed to care about that? That fight was bullsh*t, too. But, atleast Mosley had fought a fighter who has fought on World Level in his fight before he fought Pacquaio. Something again, Barker has ever done. It say's that Martinez stopped an unproven fighter who has fought no one his entire career? And Pacquaio didn't stop a former world class fighter who hadn't won a fight in years? Is there supposed to be a point here? Well, it is. Because Barker has fought above Domestic level only a handful of times and has never ever been ranked in the Top 10 in his lack luster career. Do you understand that? Do yu understand how pathetic that is? For a Top P4P fighter to chose this person as his opponent? Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in Barkers country for a very good reason. Have Mayweather and Pac EVER been that much of a favourite in ANY of thier fights? No, they haven't. For a very good reason. So what? What does that mean? So if Mayweather or Pac fight Kell Brook next that's a legit fight to you? Because they are giving an 'undefeated fighter a chance at world level'? No of course it isn't. Being undefeated means literally nothing. Especially when Barker has fought bums literally his entire 23 fight career. Stop being a hypocrite because if your 'Mission' is to exose cherrypickers than Martinez should top that list. But that isn't your mission. Your mission is to hate Pacquaio and Mayweather. You can't make it any more obvious when you try and defend Martinez fighting Barker. Barker has fought on a world class level now, on saturday boy. That means someone gave him a chance. Just like when Forrest gave Mora his chance. It means that if world class fighters do not give the young guys a chance, we'll never know how good they can be it's real simple. As it remains the Barker that Martinez ko'd still beats the Margarito that Pacman decisioned.

So Martinez is no good because Barker was competitive? Is that your angle? My angle is a Top P4P fighter has no business being in a competitive fight with a fighter that has only fought above domestic level a handful of times. Epsecially when their single fight after an injury lay-off he looked average against a Euro Level fighter. So, yes. It makes Martinez not as good as many think. A top P4P fighter has no business losing rounds and getting busted up by a fighter on Darren Barker's level. because in Pacman's very last fight he followed a clearly shot 40 year old around the ring like an amateur & allowed Mosley to make the final bell. And this means, what? Am I supposed to care about that? That fight was bullsh*t, too. But, atleast Mosley had fought a fighter who has fought on World Level in his fight before he fought Pacquaio. Something again, Barker has ever done. Martinez stopped Barker,Pacman didn't stop Mosley, what does that say about him? It say's that Martinez stopped an unproven fighter who has fought no one his entire career? And Pacquaio didn't stop a former world class fighter who hadn't won a fight in years? Is there supposed to be a point here? By your standards & all. It's not clearly worse cherrypickin on Martinez's part Well, it is. Because Barker has fought above Domestic level only a handful of times and has never ever been ranked in the Top 10 in his lack luster career. Do you understand that? Do yu understand how pathetic that is? For a Top P4P fighter to chose this person as his opponent? Martinez was a 25/1 favourite in some bookies in Barkers country for a very good reason. Have Mayweather and Pac EVER been that much of a favourite in ANY of thier fights? No, they haven't. For a very good reason. he gave an undefeated fighter a chance at fighting on the world class level. Something Pacman has not done at all as a welterweight & something Floyd has only done once. So what? What does that mean? So if Mayweather or Pac fight Kell Brook next that's a legit fight to you? Because they are giving an 'undefeated fighter a chance at world level'? No of course it isn't. Being undefeated means literally nothing. Especially when Barker has fought bums literally his entire 23 fight career. Stop being a hypocrite because if your 'Mission' is to exose cherrypickers than Martinez should top that list. But that isn't your mission. Your mission is to hate Pacquaio and Mayweather. You can't make it any more obvious when you try and defend Martinez fighting Barker.

Barker being competitive with Martinez is a testment to how good Martinez actually is. Not Barker. I'm trying to hard and owning myself? :lol1: Look in the mirror. This is the guy who b*tches and moans about Pacquaio and Mayweather's opposition all day, makes thread's about there cherrypicking yet doesn't say a peep about Martinez blatent cherry pick of a fighter who has barely fought above domestic level. Say's some of the most stupid sh*t I've ever read like "Barker is the European Champion, and European's are dominating the Division" :rofl: :rofl: There is a blatent double standard. The fact is; Martinez cherrypicked a fighter that has barely ever fought above domestic level. And had 1 fight after his lay-off, at Euro Level, and looked distinctly average. And hasn't won a legit fight in his entire career. Which is clearly worse than anything Pacquaio and Mayweather have done in years. In terms of cherry picks. Yet, you defend it. It's genuinely pathetic. So Martinez is no good because Barker was competitive? Is that your angle? because in Pacman's very last fight he followed a clearly shot 40 year old around the ring like an amateur & allowed Mosley to make the final bell. Martinez stopped Barker,Pacman didn't stop Mosley, what does that say about him? By your standards & all. It's not clearly worse cherrypickin on Martinez's part, he gave an undefeated fighter a chance at fighting on the world class level. Something Pacman has not done at all as a welterweight & something Floyd has only done once.

I dont remember what article it was but Serg's handlers were saying the reason the reason they wont let him fight @ 168 is cause he's more of a natural welterweight/super welterweight. With that said, he should fight Pac @ 147 if thats the case

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It really isn't arguable, in case you did not know, Barker went 11 rounds with a top pfp fighter in the world. Competitively. Margarito's last good fight on an elite level was Cotto in 2008 & it is controversial due to him being caught trying to cheat against Mosley in his very next fight. Your trying too hard & owning urself. Barker fought well, better than expected on the world class level on saturday, period. Margarito hasn't since 08 Fact. Barker being competitive with Martinez is a testment to how good Martinez actually is. Not Barker. I'm trying to hard and owning myself? :lol1: Look in the mirror. This is the guy who b*tches and moans about Pacquaio and Mayweather's opposition all day, makes thread's about there cherrypicking yet doesn't say a peep about Martinez blatent cherry pick of a fighter who has barely fought above domestic level. Say's some of the most stupid sh*t I've ever read like "Barker is the European Champion, and European's are dominating the Division" :rofl: :rofl: There is a blatent double standard. The fact is; Martinez cherrypicked a fighter that has barely ever fought above domestic level. And had 1 fight after his lay-off, at Euro Level, and looked distinctly average. And hasn't won a legit fight in his entire career. Which is clearly worse than anything Pacquaio and Mayweather have done in years. In terms of cherry picks. Yet, you defend it. It's genuinely pathetic.

It really isn't arguable, in case you did not know, Barker went 11 rounds with a top pfp fighter in the world. Competitively. Margarito's last good fight on an elite level was Cotto in 2008 & it is controversial due to him being caught trying to cheat against Mosley in his very next fight. Your trying too hard & owning urself. Barker fought well, better than expected on the world class level on saturday, period. Margarito hasn't since 08 Fact. well you fukkin idiot, going by your logic margarito is definitely better than barker considering he went the full twelve, hurt(body and head) the p4p #1 fighter of the world