The Mistake EVERYBODY Makes Against Mayweather.

No you wouldnt win because your not really a boxer.. JK dude, I do love your analysis though, very good. I agree with you and the TS to pull this off Cotto has to mix effective aggression and also make Floyd come forward to take away what he does best. Something else, if Floyd finds out he aint superman and gets sent to the canvas I think he will have a hard time recovering. He lives and dies off of his confidence. Had Mosley only stepped back and fought with a bit of intelligence against Floyd once he had him hurt the boxing landscape would have been entirely different right now. But Mosley went stupid and gassed himself out hard, that was painful to watch.Yeah, if Mosley would trade his million dollar smile for 50 IQ points, the boxing landscape would be different. First of all, he would beat Cotto back in 07' or thereabouts and secondly he would keep his composure when he hurt Floyd and take a step back instead of leaning into an advancing, hurt fighter. It was a sad thing to see that Mosley's confidence was shattered a mere minute after landing the hurtful punch. After that he just stopped trying to win. His lack of ring intelligence made his fights with the likes of the Mayorgas of this world unecessary challenging and difficult, remarkably so :ugh: And by the way, I am actually a real boxer :boxing:

I think I got it! do a bernard hopkins! since floyd does not throw alot of punches, you can be at distance (be very effective at it almost running when things get rough) then throw like a 4 punch combination fast then hug... you can steal rounds like this then if it gets bad and you brawl with may he aint that good at that so your not that bad off. and just continue doing the bernard and hopefully get the W but it will hard I wont lie alot of master craft will be needed....

Floyd isn't very good on his front foot, so I would make him come after me by moving alot on my feet, mostly to my right. By doing this, I would force Floyd to reach with his awkward drop-jab, which is a dangerous punch because it can easily be countered, and it would force him to jump in with his trademark leaping left hook. In order to stop those hooks I would keep my chin down like Hopkins and would try to step forward at the same time as Floyd would put weight on his front foot, which he does just before unleashing those leaping hooks. That way I would mess up the timing and accuracy as well as smothering the power of the punch. At the same time my forehead would be a real danger for Floyd's face seeing as he jumps in with his chin rather high. Many will probably point out that Floyd has been coming forward successfully against the likes of Mosley, Judah and numerous others, but many fail to realize the difference between active aggression and passive aggression. Floyd uses, for the most part, passive aggression in order to force his opponent to play into his strengths; counterpunching and disrupting the rythm of his opponent so he can punch when his foe is off-balance. Even though Floyd might be coming forward, he wants you to fire first so he can counter you. If you go back to the Marquez-fight, you can see the difference in Floyd's strategy compared to Mosley/Ortiz. He was actually more defensive against Marquez. I believe that he knew that Marquez wouldn't fall into the trap, but instead would wait for Floyd to make his move before firing back counters. That would be playing into Marquez's strengths, so he cleverly avoided that by forcing Marquez to be the fan-pleasing fighter who had to make it a fight. So, if I were to fight Floyd, I would try to take away his strength (counterpunching and timing) by moving away from him and forcing him to always lead, I would try to eliminate the lead right hand by moving to the right and keeping my chin low so that if it did come, there would be a danger of heads clashing, and I would force him to lead with left jabs/left hooks, which can be countered by respectively straight rights and left hooks. I wouldn't try to make my punches too hard, but rather focus on keeping my chin in cover of my shoulder due to his ridiculous speed, and I would focus on his feet movement/balance, because it's really quite obvious what he's looking to do if you watch his stance/balance/feet movement. With a little holding, pushing and mauling thrown in, I'd expect to see Floyd a little bit out of his comfort zone after a while, and then we would see how great he really is. If this sounds a bit like Hopkins' style, it's because it's similar. Hopkins' style would be the perfect nightmare for Floyd's style. Cotto does some of the things I mentioned pretty good, but he fails in a few areas. First reason of his coming downfall will be his impatience; he'll open up too much, too soon. Secondly he moves without a plan. It seems like he just spends energy just to do it, for no reason whatsoever. Thirdly he will begin throwing combinations while under pressure, which means Floyd will counter him to death-while on the attack. Would I win? Who knows, with size and power advantage, there's no telling :boxing: No you wouldnt win because your not really a boxer.. JK dude, I do love your analysis though, very good. I agree with you and the TS to pull this off Cotto has to mix effective aggression and also make Floyd come forward to take away what he does best. Something else, if Floyd finds out he aint superman and gets sent to the canvas I think he will have a hard time recovering. He lives and dies off of his confidence. Had Mosley only stepped back and fought with a bit of intelligence against Floyd once he had him hurt the boxing landscape would have been entirely different right now. But Mosley went stupid and gassed himself out hard, that was painful to watch.

Floyd isn't very good on his front foot, so I would make him come after me by moving alot on my feet, mostly to my right. By doing this, I would force Floyd to reach with his awkward drop-jab, which is a dangerous punch because it can easily be countered, and it would force him to jump in with his trademark leaping left hook. In order to stop those hooks I would keep my chin down like Hopkins and would try to step forward at the same time as Floyd would put weight on his front foot, which he does just before unleashing those leaping hooks. That way I would mess up the timing and accuracy as well as smothering the power of the punch. At the same time my forehead would be a real danger for Floyd's face seeing as he jumps in with his chin rather high. Many will probably point out that Floyd has been coming forward successfully against the likes of Mosley, Judah and numerous others, but many fail to realize the difference between active aggression and passive aggression. Floyd uses, for the most part, passive aggression in order to force his opponent to play into his strengths; counterpunching and disrupting the rythm of his opponent so he can punch when his foe is off-balance. Even though Floyd might be coming forward, he wants you to fire first so he can counter you. If you go back to the Marquez-fight, you can see the difference in Floyd's strategy compared to Mosley/Ortiz. He was actually more defensive against Marquez. I believe that he knew that Marquez wouldn't fall into the trap, but instead would wait for Floyd to make his move before firing back counters. That would be playing into Marquez's strengths, so he cleverly avoided that by forcing Marquez to be the fan-pleasing fighter who had to make it a fight. So, if I were to fight Floyd, I would try to take away his strength (counterpunching and timing) by moving away from him and forcing him to always lead, I would try to eliminate the lead right hand by moving to the right and keeping my chin low so that if it did come, there would be a danger of heads clashing, and I would force him to lead with left jabs/left hooks, which can be countered by respectively straight rights and left hooks. I wouldn't try to make my punches too hard, but rather focus on keeping my chin in cover of my shoulder due to his ridiculous speed, and I would focus on his feet movement/balance, because it's really quite obvious what he's looking to do if you watch his stance/balance/feet movement. With a little holding, pushing and mauling thrown in, I'd expect to see Floyd a little bit out of his comfort zone after a while, and then we would see how great he really is. If this sounds a bit like Hopkins' style, it's because it's similar. Hopkins' style would be the perfect nightmare for Floyd's style. Cotto does some of the things I mentioned pretty good, but he fails in a few areas. First reason of his coming downfall will be his impatience; he'll open up too much, too soon. Secondly he moves without a plan. It seems like he just spends energy just to do it, for no reason whatsoever. Thirdly he will begin throwing combinations while under pressure, which means Floyd will counter him to death-while on the attack. Would I win? Who knows, with size and power advantage, there's no telling :boxing:

Floyd has no problem walking people down. You can only box Floyd if you have some type of significant height and reach advantage, and the skills to utilize those advantages. Same with pressuring Floyd, it will only give him trouble if the fighter has the skills to back up that gameplan. It's that way with any great fighter. You can't just say "oh, do that and it will work." If you don't have the skills, it doesn't matter how you fight you will lose. I do agree with that part, and the height and reach of Oscar, coupled with the fact that Oscar is an excellent fundamental boxer (amateur background) was a tough package for Floyd to deal with.

The problem with this is Floyd's underrated length. He's so long and accurate from a distance that he would just take what's given to him and cruise from the outside.

i've been saying this for years, make floyd come forward, have him lead , make him open up. no one does it, the all pressure him, floyd knows how to fight in a pressure cooker, and the only time he comes forward is when his guy is hurt or all but out..... don't give him anything to tee off with, make him go out and get it, with flyds his fight style , it will make him reach, ortiz had a glimpse of it but ddn't know what he was exposing so to speak. people said i had no clue what i was talking about, but they all subscribe to the same old crap, just because JLC had success with pressure, no one has developed their OWN game plan, they just copy and past the JLC game plan, and it hasn't worked, although, i thought JLC won both fights, i saw both live, floor level seating. but it doesn't work, and nothing different had ever been implemented. but then again, the same people said the same mess when i said hopkins would be trinidad, or when i said winky will beat trinidad.... i think it's a good plan, or at least a good start to one. Floyd has no problem walking people down. You can only box Floyd if you have some type of significant height and reach advantage, and the skills to utilize those advantages. Same with pressuring Floyd, it will only give him trouble if the fighter has the skills to back up that gameplan. It's that way with any great fighter. You can't just say "oh, do that and it will work." If you don't have the skills, it doesn't matter how you fight you will lose.

I always see the question asked: How will you attack Mayweather? How will you break through his defense? I suggest a paradigm shift. How about going in with a plan to DEFEND against Mayweather? How will Floyd feel when he can't hit you at will? When he can't get his offense off? When he feels uncomfortable because he isn't piling up points? Now, you may ask :"Floyd's offense is not all that. Why should I be worried about his offense?" That's the person from OUTSIDE the ring saying that. Once you get into the ring, those punches don't feel great. The guy has 25 KO's. Corrales, Hatton. Gatti. Good fighters. He knocked down Marquez. His offense had Shane completely discouraged. He isn't quite the feather-fist you imagine. Guys aren't trying to walk through him. If I was going to fight Floyd, I would be focused on a BALANCED fight plan. I would be concerned with my defense as much - if not more - than my offense. Believe me: Floyd expects every opponent to attack him. Judah did. Hatton did. Oscar did. Shane did. Ortiz will. Flip the script. Give Floyd something to think about. Make him have to come out of his shell OFFENSIVELY. For discussion....thoughts? http://i41.tinypic.com/25f546x.gif http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q159/babyfacedassassin202/Pretty.gif http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/philhaj/Mayweather-Judah01.gif http://i43.tinypic.com/14o0g2s.gif The problem with this is that Floyd is a counter puncher by nature so he will sit back and pick you apart from distance. You can't force him to come forward, won't happen. So you can focus on defense all you want but he will be happy to sit back and just pot shot you with the jab and right hand. I think the only way to beat Mayweather is to make it a rough fight, like Castillo, Jesus Chavez and Ricky Hatton did. Move forward and overwhelm him with punches and size. I can't see anyone in the game out boxing him, trying to counter punch him or out speed him. You need a pressure fighter that is relentless with great inside fighting and conditioning off the charts.

" The Mosley fight, and the Ortiz fight debunks your theory. Floyd is excellent at creating proper spacing, and rarely if ever do you see him reaching. I've only seen him reaching to throw a uppercut, and that's it." The Truck But both Mosley and Ortiz had bouts of ineffective aggression, and neither were focused on their OWN defense. Mosley had no defense whatsoever, and Ortiz defense involves crouching down into a shell he he "turtles up". When Vic did that, Floyd laid about a ten-punch combo on him. See beginning of Round 4.

I always see the question asked: How will you attack Mayweather? How will you break through his defense? I suggest a paradigm shift. How about going in with a plan to DEFEND against Mayweather? How will Floyd feel when he can't hit you at will? When he can't get his offense off? When he feels uncomfortable because he isn't piling up points? Now, you may ask :"Floyd's offense is not all that. Why should I be worried about his offense?" That's the person from OUTSIDE the ring saying that. Once you get into the ring, those punches don't feel great. The guy has 25 KO's. Corrales, Hatton. Gatti. Good fighters. He knocked down Marquez. His offense had Shane completely discouraged. He isn't quite the feather-fist you imagine. Guys aren't trying to walk through him. If I was going to fight Floyd, I would be focused on a BALANCED fight plan. I would be concerned with my defense as much - if not more - than my offense. Believe me: Floyd expects every opponent to attack him. Judah did. Hatton did. Oscar did. Shane did. Ortiz will. Flip the script. Give Floyd something to think about. Make him have to come out of his shell OFFENSIVELY. For discussion....thoughts? Easy saying it another thing actually doing it.

i've been saying this for years, make floyd come forward, have him lead , make him open up. no one does it, the all pressure him, floyd knows how to fight in a pressure cooker, and the only time he comes forward is when his guy is hurt or all but out..... don't give him anything to tee off with, make him go out and get it, with flyds his fight style , it will make him reach, ortiz had a glimpse of it but ddn't know what he was exposing so to speak. people said i had no clue what i was talking about, but they all subscribe to the same old crap, just because JLC had success with pressure, no one has developed their OWN game plan, they just copy and past the JLC game plan, and it hasn't worked, although, i thought JLC won both fights, i saw both live, floor level seating. but it doesn't work, and nothing different had ever been implemented. but then again, the same people said the same mess when i said hopkins would be trinidad, or when i said winky will beat trinidad.... i think it's a good plan, or at least a good start to one. " The Mosley fight, and the Ortiz fight debunks your theory. Floyd is excellent at creating proper spacing, and rarely if ever do you see him reaching. I've only seen him reaching to throw a uppercut, and that's it." The Truck

i thought JLC won both fights Could you post your scorecard for the second fight? I mean the first fight, fine, I disagree but I can see why. But the rematch? Seriously?

I always see the question asked: How will you attack Mayweather? How will you break through his defense? I suggest a paradigm shift. How about going in with a plan to DEFEND against Mayweather? How will Floyd feel when he can't hit you at will? When he can't get his offense off? When he feels uncomfortable because he isn't piling up points? Now, you may ask :"Floyd's offense is not all that. Why should I be worried about his offense?" That's the person from OUTSIDE the ring saying that. Once you get into the ring, those punches don't feel great. The guy has 25 KO's. Corrales, Hatton. Gatti. Good fighters. He knocked down Marquez. His offense had Shane completely discouraged. He isn't quite the feather-fist you imagine. Guys aren't trying to walk through him. If I was going to fight Floyd, I would be focused on a BALANCED fight plan. I would be concerned with my defense as much - if not more - than my offense. Believe me: Floyd expects every opponent to attack him. Judah did. Hatton did. Oscar did. Shane did. Ortiz will. Flip the script. Give Floyd something to think about. Make him have to come out of his shell OFFENSIVELY. For discussion....thoughts? http://i41.tinypic.com/25f546x.gif http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q159/babyfacedassassin202/Pretty.gif http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/philhaj/Mayweather-Judah01.gif http://i43.tinypic.com/14o0g2s.gif i've been saying this for years, make floyd come forward, have him lead , make him open up. no one does it, the all pressure him, floyd knows how to fight in a pressure cooker, and the only time he comes forward is when his guy is hurt or all but out..... don't give him anything to tee off with, make him go out and get it, with flyds his fight style , it will make him reach, ortiz had a glimpse of it but ddn't know what he was exposing so to speak. people said i had no clue what i was talking about, but they all subscribe to the same old crap, just because JLC had success with pressure, no one has developed their OWN game plan, they just copy and past the JLC game plan, and it hasn't worked, although, i thought JLC won both fights, i saw both live, floor level seating. but it doesn't work, and nothing different had ever been implemented. but then again, the same people said the same mess when i said hopkins would be trinidad, or when i said winky will beat trinidad.... i think it's a good plan, or at least a good start to one.

There isnt a way to fight mayweather. Half of Floyds fights he wins before he gets in the ring. He makes fighters feel inferior, kind of like they have to force floyd out of his comfort zone. Also, all the haters underestimate how adaptable Floyd is. For instance, against Hatton he was for the first four rounds out of sorts until he sussed Hatton's style. The reason why Floyd is so successful is that he is so confident that he is unbeatable. He gives of an aura of someone who is untouchable and wins all the prefight mindgames. His toughest fight was against Delahoya, and that was purely because Oscar is very strong minded. The reason why Floyd is negative towards a Pacman fight is that to carry off his fight plan he needs to have everything his own way. That contributes to a lot of Floyd's success. Loads of fighters feel Privaledged to fight Floyd. Why? He is only a human being. A talented one but can still die from normal diseases. As i said offence and defence is secondary. A unfaisable mindset is essential if you want to beat mayweather. I disagree that he was out of sorts against Hatton I thought he was in control of himself perfectly , I seen it as Hatton was very strong and bum rushed him because was he was scared to give Floyd distance of any kind , Floyd just had to wait out the initial rushing and shoving until Hatton slowed a little and allowed distance , then it was a one way street , not much you can do with a strong guy your own size and weight when he is just storming you , its not out of sorts staying calm and waiting for the pace to slow a smidgen and thats exactly what Floyd did .

Don't worry - Floyd is just as good fighting, when he goes forward.

I'm not talking as a FAN. I'm talking as an OPPONENT. Would I rather lose aggressively...or win boring? There isnt a way to fight mayweather. Half of Floyds fights he wins before he gets in the ring. He makes fighters feel inferior, kind of like they have to force floyd out of his comfort zone. Also, all the haters underestimate how adaptable Floyd is. For instance, against Hatton he was for the first four rounds out of sorts until he sussed Hatton's style. The reason why Floyd is so successful is that he is so confident that he is unbeatable. He gives of an aura of someone who is untouchable and wins all the prefight mindgames. His toughest fight was against Delahoya, and that was purely because Oscar is very strong minded. The reason why Floyd is negative towards a Pacman fight is that to carry off his fight plan he needs to have everything his own way. That contributes to a lot of Floyd's success. Loads of fighters feel Privaledged to fight Floyd. Why? He is only a human being. A talented one but can still die from normal diseases. As i said offence and defence is secondary. A unfaisable mindset is essential if you want to beat mayweather.

That is why big guy with a good jab seems like a good proposition to beat Floyd, with a long good jab a fighter can control distance and if Mayweather can't get into range he can't be effective on offense. Now just a jab probably doesn't get it done because Floyd can fight inside and knows about getting inside on a longer range fighter, but that is the place I would want to start from. I agree Oscar had the tools but fought a stupid fight with the mentality of knocking Floyd out.

Floyd Mayweather would be able to hit Floyd Mayweather...

Judah had early success because he boxed and countered Floyd using his feet and handspeed. He was aggressive, but he didn't flat out attack. Most of the good punches he landed were when he made Floyd step into him. Judah's problem was when Floyd adjusted. Zab got him a few times, floyd adjusted to the punches Judah was landing and looking to land, and that was that. Judah couldn't change his plan. Coming in and smothering Floyd and attacking like a hungry wolf generally won't work. He's too good inside defensively and moving backwards, and you will get tired before he does, at which point he starts laying traps and countering whilst moving backwards, before taking over. Fighters who get too agressive against Floyd usually get flattened in the later rounds. The idea is to box him and catch him when he opens up. The guys who have had some success in patches were boxing and throwing decent volume. Castillo boxed Floyd, but he wasn't worried about looking for openings the whole time, sometimes he just threw where he thought an opening could appear. He also went downstairs. Shane was boxing and got himm when he opened up in round 2. Cotto needs to jab floyd, and double it up, hook off the jab upstairs and downstairs if available, but he also need to use his right hand. If he doesn't use both hands he can forget about it.

the TS's idea has been thrown around as far as dealing w/ PBF. However, that type of gameplan needs a specific type of fighter to carry it out, and his name ain't Kneeguel Cotto. My whole thing about boxing, it ain't the style it's the fighter. I know, I know, styles make fights, there's some truth to that, but, it's not the ultimate truth. I can see PBF getting his &ss kicked and it's not necessarily by a particular style. The number 1 thing in order to change that 0 to 1 is that the opponent has to have comparable athletic ability or pretty d*mn close to it(he hasn't faced that fighter and the fact that he has been cherry pickin' for years now..). And have the discipline to stick to a gameplan, doesn't matter if it's swarming him or outboxing him, the physical tools and knowing how to utilize them to the fullest is what's really important. Don't you feel that Shane Mosley has a comparable set of physical tools?