Why won't Pacquiao move to Welterweight?

When Manny was fighting at super feather weight, people are saying that its impossible for Pac to jump at WW because guys at this division will easily whoop his as s. But now that Manny has took it to a whole new level ONE YEAR LATER AFTER THIS THREAD, Floydiots are discrediting him because they thought, those WW are giving him easy fights. WTF! LOL! A fight with Cotto alone >>>>>> Zab Judah + Baldo combined.

Hey MORON, here's something for you. 1) Your revered Roy Jones won 3 vacant titles and 2 more that went with another title. 2) Julio Cesar Chavez won 1 vacant title and drew in another. 3) Floyd won 2 titles from guys (Gatti & Judah) who won it through vacant titles. 4) Ali won 1 vacant tiltle. 5) Hearns won 5 vacant titles. 6) DLH won 2 vacant titles. These are just a few examples which show that winning a vacant title is not an oddity. Your attempt to use this to discredit one fighter shows how twisted your mind works. And insisting that Manny won 5 vacant title out of 8 is a BLATANT LIE! Flomo wont reply.. cause flomos dont know shiet about boxing

You can feel ANY WAY you like. I've watched as peasants here have used racial slurs, innuendos, and pictures while the majority of you so-called "serious posters" sit by and do nothing. I've had some great discussions with people that some of you label as "terrible posters", and some awful discussions with people that some of you label as "excellent posters". There are no rewards for posting here. If you love boxing the reward is having a place to discuss what you love. Lead Uppercut made it very clear to me early on that cohesive and rational debate would only go so far on this site. I didn't want to believe him at first, but now I'm inclined to agree. I come here to write. This isn't the only place I write, but I get lost of practice here expressing different opinions in different styles. 99% of the posters I've come across here are simply emoticon morons .. who use sarcasm in place of solid arguments that would make this site a more interesting place to discuss boxing ... if that's actually what some of you come here to do. I don't see it. Talk about having no life? Go to my profile, look at ALL posts by Brother Jay. 98% of all my posts are informative and well written. Then go to you own profile and look at ALL posts written. 99% of all your posts are bullsh!t insults, emoticons and one line comments that usually have nothing to do with boxing .. on a boxing website. And pretty much all of you have 10 time the amount of posts that I have written and they fit that criteria! Hate it or love peasants ... but like I've said so many times before, the historians won't be as kind to Pacquiao as today's writers because they won't be as swayed by hype. When you factor in that The Ring Magazine is owned by DLH, and GBP co-promotes Pacquiao, it isn't hard to tell what's going on. I go by the record of the fighter and the rank of the men he fought. That's how any student of the game measures REAL RANK and the value of a win. You people want to go by other people's opinions and feel validated because they own their own magazine, then do it until you love it! But you're sheep being led by the greedy. I don't hate. I appreciate. Real champions that is .. because real champions do real things. No amount of self-aggrandizement can hide the obvious, you and leaduppercut are one and the same person that pollutes this forum with LIES and GARBAGE.

The Pacquiao Blueprint: 1)Pad your record with up to 40 fights before you step it up to world class competition 2)Get some vacant titles to make it seem like you've been dominant for a substantial amount of time. 3)Beat a few guys who are overrated and fold every time they step up to world class competition(Barrera & Morales). 4)Have your promoter create a buzz about fights with guys who are big enough to beat you on size alone, but then make sure that you stipulate that they must fight at a weight that YOU are comfortable with, not a weight that they are comfortable at. 5)Schedule those catchweight fights ONLY once those guys have lost. NEVER fight a winner. They have too much confidence and have much less self doubt. 6)Never take PED tests. The last time Pacquiao was forced to give blood unscheduled was the first Morales fight, and we saw Pacquiao get completely outclassed. In the rematch where Pacquiao didn't have to give blood unscheduled, we saw Pacquiao dominate Morales despite having made no technical adjustments or changes. 7)Let you promoter run your life and career. that way, when critics ask you why you've made such shady decision, you can always fall back on blaming your promoter. "Why have your last three opponents been Top rank fighters, Manny?" "Umm .. uhhh .. ask my premoda. I don't make fights. I juss do de fighting" "Why won't you take random PED tests with the same organization that does the testing for the Olympics, Manny?" "Uhhh .. umm .. I believe dat da addaledik commission is da one who should ehhh .. make da rules." "You do realize that this type of testing has been done several times before in boxing, Manny? "Uhhh .. ehhh .. no .. ehh .. my promoter handles ebeeting and we only listen to da addaledik commission. "Where is all your money, Manny" "Uhhh .. I have da ehhh .. Visionqwest .. ehh .. investigating for me.. uhh. and dey .. ehh .. handle dat for me." 8)It doesn't matter who Manny beats or even if they are cleared to compete. Its just matters that he wins. Thee most disgraceful moment in Pacquiao's career(outside of him flat out refusing PED tests that would expose him) was when he decided to let Arum set up a fight with a man who was banned for cheating. The fight actually took place during the period in which Margarito was banned! How this was able to fly is beyond reason. 9)When you cannot win, let your promoter gift you the decision. Pacquiao, in most honest minds who actually watched both fights, lost to Marquez. Marquez showed what a solid and versatile counter-puncher can do against a guy who only has punching power and better than average stamina. This is why Pacquiao and Roach waited three years to give him a rematch that he has been screaming for. You can't say that he wants the payday because Pacquiao wasn't generating that kind of money back when Marquez was outboxing his asss. 10) When you have fought every 5th ranked loser who still retains a star-powered name, look downward. Pacquiao has consistently fought every star-powered boxer to lose at WW. He hasn't fought a winner since 2008, unless you count the Cotto fiasco. So, knowing that Pacquiao cannot win against Floyd, Pacquiao has begun to look for competition below WW. He is fighting Marquez 3 years too late. And as if that wasn't bad enough, Pacquiao is making Marquez come up to 147lbs ... a weight that Roach stated that Pacquiao COULD NOT MAKE when Pacquiao was calling for catchweights at 147. We hear that Pacquiao may be looking at Bradley next. The shameful part is the peasants are still willing to buy that fight. Manny could fight Larry Merchant next and the peasants would flock to buy it. And they count themselves as real fans? When you support that 10 step bullsh!t plan you are part of what's wrong with boxing, not what's right with it. Of course the stadiums, promoters and networks will always be glad to take your money, but the sport itself suffers because ignorant losers are willing to throw money at even the most obvious sideshow trash. And they wonder why we call them peasants! Lol I have to admit when I read The manny responses I heard his voice. lol

Do you know the difference between muscle density and muscle mass and how it's applicable to this debate? If you can't explain the difference and apply the concept OBJECTIVELY to this discussion regarding Manny, then the only hidden agenda in question lies within your post. Do you really know what you're talking about? Can you explain, using your muscle mass and muscle density 'expertise', how Pac can have an advantage over guys who were similarly cutting weight to make 130lbs at weigh-in and then re-hydrate to weights that's close to Pac's weight at fight night?

haters gonna hate. Comes with the territory of being at the top.

Real four lineal titles > Fake 8 division titles = Ends all title arguments.

The Pacquiao Blueprint: 1)Pad your record with up to 40 fights before you step it up to world class competition 2)Get some vacant titles to make it seem like you've been dominant for a substantial amount of time. 3)Beat a few guys who are overrated and fold every time they step up to world class competition(Barrera & Morales). 4)Have your promoter create a buzz about fights with guys who are big enough to beat you on size alone, but then make sure that you stipulate that they must fight at a weight that YOU are comfortable with, not a weight that they are comfortable at. 5)Schedule those catchweight fights ONLY once those guys have lost. NEVER fight a winner. They have too much confidence and have much less self doubt. 6)Never take PED tests. The last time Pacquiao was forced to give blood unscheduled was the first Morales fight, and we saw Pacquiao get completely outclassed. In the rematch where Pacquiao didn't have to give blood unscheduled, we saw Pacquiao dominate Morales despite having made no technical adjustments or changes. 7)Let you promoter run your life and career. that way, when critics ask you why you've made such shady decision, you can always fall back on blaming your promoter. "Why have your last three opponents been Top rank fighters, Manny?" "Umm .. uhhh .. ask my premoda. I don't make fights. I juss do de fighting" "Why won't you take random PED tests with the same organization that does the testing for the Olympics, Manny?" "Uhhh .. umm .. I believe dat da addaledik commission is da one who should ehhh .. make da rules." "You do realize that this type of testing has been done several times before in boxing, Manny? "Uhhh .. ehhh .. no .. ehh .. my promoter handles ebeeting and we only listen to da addaledik commission. "Where is all your money, Manny" "Uhhh .. I have da ehhh .. Visionqwest .. ehh .. investigating for me.. uhh. and dey .. ehh .. handle dat for me." 8)It doesn't matter who Manny beats or even if they are cleared to compete. Its just matters that he wins. Thee most disgraceful moment in Pacquiao's career(outside of him flat out refusing PED tests that would expose him) was when he decided to let Arum set up a fight with a man who was banned for cheating. The fight actually took place during the period in which Margarito was banned! How this was able to fly is beyond reason. 9)When you cannot win, let your promoter gift you the decision. Pacquiao, in most honest minds who actually watched both fights, lost to Marquez. Marquez showed what a solid and versatile counter-puncher can do against a guy who only has punching power and better than average stamina. This is why Pacquiao and Roach waited three years to give him a rematch that he has been screaming for. You can't say that he wants the payday because Pacquiao wasn't generating that kind of money back when Marquez was outboxing his asss. 10) When you have fought every 5th ranked loser who still retains a star-powered name, look downward. Pacquiao has consistently fought every star-powered boxer to lose at WW. He hasn't fought a winner since 2008, unless you count the Cotto fiasco. So, knowing that Pacquiao cannot win against Floyd, Pacquiao has begun to look for competition below WW. He is fighting Marquez 3 years too late. And as if that wasn't bad enough, Pacquiao is making Marquez come up to 147lbs ... a weight that Roach stated that Pacquiao COULD NOT MAKE when Pacquiao was calling for catchweights at 147. We hear that Pacquiao may be looking at Bradley next. The shameful part is the peasants are still willing to buy that fight. Manny could fight Larry Merchant next and the peasants would flock to buy it. And they count themselves as real fans? When you support that 10 step bullsh!t plan you are part of what's wrong with boxing, not what's right with it. Of course the stadiums, promoters and networks will always be glad to take your money, but the sport itself suffers because ignorant losers are willing to throw money at even the most obvious sideshow trash. And they wonder why we call them peasants! To think that I initially thought of you as a serious poster and now you choose to make fun of Pacquiao's accent. It's clear you're just another hater and there is no point in debating with you.

When Don King set up Bruce Seldon to win a vacant belt so that he would have a title to lose to Mike Tyson, EVERYONE including myself called it bullsh!t. Real fans recognized what was happening So did the pundits. Its was blatantly obvious. A promoter often sets his own guys up with vacant title shots to make a match more interesting because if the fighter wins the vacant title, it makes it seem as though more is on the table and more is at stake. Pacquiao does NOT get a pass. Bob Arum setting Miguel Cotto up for a vacant title shot against Michael Jennings was the SAME EXACT DEAL. Jennings was never heard of before and never really heard from after. It was basically a belt exchange. A lot of you cat-eating ignorant peasants think that this is directed only at Pacquiao. It isn't. I was BHOP's most ardent critic because he spent literally YEARS defending a belt that Roy Jones had vacated to fight the then P4P#1 James Toney. BHOP won it and defended only that one title to tie Monzon's record, which is bullsh!t because Monzon was the undisputed champion at MW. Hopkins was definitely not. Arum has on several occasions targeted vacant title fights for Pacquiao. He's also set it up where Pacquiao faced an interim champion in Diaz, and he arranged for Cotto, who had just been destroyed by Margarito, to immediately compete for the vacant WBO title against of all people a man none of you have ever heard of ... coincidentally prior to a Pacquiao showdown which had already been made. I don't care if you peasants get it. You're not even honest with yourselves. So I don't expect any honesty on this site. Just because a fighter wins a vacant belt doesn't legitimize it. He isn't a champion because he didn't beat a champion to get the title. So the man who beats him isn't a champion either because there haven't been any champions in that sequence. It isn't until someone who is already a champion in that division wins that belt that the title is actually legitimized. That is the difference between titlist and a champion. Champions beat other champions for the distinction. Titlists simply take what they can get where they can, and how they can. TO BE A CHAMPION YOU MUST BEAT A CHAMPION. Pacquiao is mostly a titlist. He's won a few, meaning 3 championships where he actually defeated a champion, but the rest are actually situations where Arum had him fighting opponents to make a case for being a champion. That sh!t doesn't fly among real fans. Fine print has no place among the champions of ANY sport. If you call yourself the best, then what you do and how you did it should reflect that. These idiots here are trying to legitimize the crafty sh!t that Arum has pulled in order to make Manny Pacquiao seem like he's been winning under the same conditions that all champions have. THAT'S THE REAL FCUKING LIE. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Ray Robinson, Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, Ricardo Lopez, Floyd Mayweather ... how many of them built their best wins off of stipulating their competition's weight? How many of them have made concerted efforts to compete for several vacant titles? How many of them called themselves the best when they hadn't fought a boxer ranked #1, 2 or 3 in three years? Anyone who abides by that bullsh!t is soulless dirt bag and part of the problem with boxing. Hey MORON, here's something for you. 1) Your revered Roy Jones won 3 vacant titles and 2 more that went with another title. 2) Julio Cesar Chavez won 1 vacant title and drew in another. 3) Floyd won 2 titles from guys (Gatti & Judah) who won it through vacant titles. 4) Ali won 1 vacant tiltle. 5) Hearns won 5 vacant titles. 6) DLH won 2 vacant titles. These are just a few examples which show that winning a vacant title is not an oddity. Your attempt to use this to discredit one fighter shows how twisted your mind works. And insisting that Manny won 5 vacant title out of 8 is a BLATANT LIE!

The Pacquiao Blueprint: 1)Pad your record with up to 40 fights before you step it up to world class competition 2)Get some vacant titles to make it seem like you've been dominant for a substantial amount of time. 3)Beat a few guys who are overrated and fold every time they step up to world class competition(Barrera & Morales). 4)Have your promoter create a buzz about fights with guys who are big enough to beat you on size alone, but then make sure that you stipulate that they must fight at a weight that YOU are comfortable with, not a weight that they are comfortable at. 5)Schedule those catchweight fights ONLY once those guys have lost. NEVER fight a winner. They have too much confidence and have much less self doubt. 6)Never take PED tests. The last time Pacquiao was forced to give blood unscheduled was the first Morales fight, and we saw Pacquiao get completely outclassed. In the rematch where Pacquiao didn't have to give blood unscheduled, we saw Pacquiao dominate Morales despite having made no technical adjustments or changes. 7)Let you promoter run your life and career. that way, when critics ask you why you've made such shady decision, you can always fall back on blaming your promoter. "Why have your last three opponents been Top rank fighters, Manny?" "Umm .. uhhh .. ask my premoda. I don't make fights. I juss do de fighting" "Why won't you take random PED tests with the same organization that does the testing for the Olympics, Manny?" "Uhhh .. umm .. I believe dat da addaledik commission is da one who should ehhh .. make da rules." "You do realize that this type of testing has been done several times before in boxing, Manny? "Uhhh .. ehhh .. no .. ehh .. my promoter handles ebeeting and we only listen to da addaledik commission. "Where is all your money, Manny" "Uhhh .. I have da ehhh .. Visionqwest .. ehh .. investigating for me.. uhh. and dey .. ehh .. handle dat for me." 8)It doesn't matter who Manny beats or even if they are cleared to compete. Its just matters that he wins. Thee most disgraceful moment in Pacquiao's career(outside of him flat out refusing PED tests that would expose him) was when he decided to let Arum set up a fight with a man who was banned for cheating. The fight actually took place during the period in which Margarito was banned! How this was able to fly is beyond reason. 9)When you cannot win, let your promoter gift you the decision. Pacquiao, in most honest minds who actually watched both fights, lost to Marquez. Marquez showed what a solid and versatile counter-puncher can do against a guy who only has punching power and better than average stamina. This is why Pacquiao and Roach waited three years to give him a rematch that he has been screaming for. You can't say that he wants the payday because Pacquiao wasn't generating that kind of money back when Marquez was outboxing his asss. 10) When you have fought every 5th ranked loser who still retains a star-powered name, look downward. Pacquiao has consistently fought every star-powered boxer to lose at WW. He hasn't fought a winner since 2008, unless you count the Cotto fiasco. So, knowing that Pacquiao cannot win against Floyd, Pacquiao has begun to look for competition below WW. He is fighting Marquez 3 years too late. And as if that wasn't bad enough, Pacquiao is making Marquez come up to 147lbs ... a weight that Roach stated that Pacquiao COULD NOT MAKE when Pacquiao was calling for catchweights at 147. We hear that Pacquiao may be looking at Bradley next. The shameful part is the peasants are still willing to buy that fight. Manny could fight Larry Merchant next and the peasants would flock to buy it. And they count themselves as real fans? When you support that 10 step bullsh!t plan you are part of what's wrong with boxing, not what's right with it. Of course the stadiums, promoters and networks will always be glad to take your money, but the sport itself suffers because ignorant losers are willing to throw money at even the most obvious sideshow trash. And they wonder why we call them peasants! http://files.kavefish.com/pictures/collections/funny_cat_pictures/funny_cat_pictures_014.jpg

you just called him son... so does that mean you are the "mother" that was really a man? or are you the husband/civil partner of that "mother"? ...which would of course, also translate to you indeed being a homosexual... lol........

you're a homosexual.................. what now? Then I guess your mother really was a man...son. you just called him son... so does that mean you are the "mother" that was really a man? or are you the husband/civil partner of that "mother"? ...which would of course, also translate to you indeed being a homosexual...

Did you graduate high school. or are you just trying to create an argument based of things you've read on this site in the past? the human body is at least 65-75% water, therefore in cutting what you would perceive as "massive amounts" of weight is simply water. Paul Williams wasn't a big WW he's a MW, and he was just better at cutting water weight in training, and was looking to parlay that technique and advantage into a large payday at WW. Same thing your guy Pacquiao did @ 126-130, instead of comfortably making 135 and taking on guys like Castillio, Corrales. Same thing he did at 112 to avoid Saraphrom and Nishioka at 118, which he skipped altogether to go fight at 122. Guess what? The guys That Pac fought at 126- 130 were also re-hydrating close to Pac's fight night weight. That basically cancels out the argument that Pac had taken advantage of smaller guys. When Pac actually started fighting at his natural weight of + or - 145, he faced guys who were cutting weight to make 147. So, you merely want Pac to fight at WW, his natural fighting weight, in order for him not to have any weight advantage against guys who would out-weigh him by 10-17 lbs. at fight night. Somehow this does not make any sense. There seems to be some hidden agenda here.

He just weighed in at 144lbs on Saturday night against Barrera, Welterweight is 3lbs north of that with much better competition including Mosley, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Hatton(if he stays there), Cotto, Cintron, and Williams. He weighed 144 lbs in 2007, then four years later he weighed 148 lbs? So he gained 4 lbs in just four years? That's like, super fast. He's definitely on teh roids. Ortiz is worse. In just four months between the Peterson fight and the Berto fight, he gained 5 pounds! Speaking of Berto, he's even worse than that. In just four months between the Forbes fight and Collazo fight, he gained 6 and a half pounds! 5 lbs and 6.5 lbs in just four MONTHS?! Not years, but MONTHS! That's like, super duper crazy stupid fast. Ortiz and Berto are definitely on teh roids, teh cutting edge Hi-Tech American kind. God Bless America! :usa2: :usa2: :usa:

You need to mind your own business if you cant add something intelligent or constructive to the debate. That's funny because this thread is a joke. :lol1:

You need to mind your own business if you cant add something intelligent or constructive to the debate. you're a homosexual.................. what now?

Poochiao needs to stop ducking Middle and super Middle weight He doesn't want anything to do with Andre ward and Froch :poke:

you just say anything thats convenient to trash pacquiao. pacquiao cuts to 130= hes fighting smaller guys and taking advantage of his size pacquiao fights bigger guys that cut weight= hes weight draining them and thats the only reason why hes winning. which is it? its gotta be 1 or the other most boxers do cut weight to get an advantage as long as you make the limit, PAC versus JMM, MAB and EM were never separated by more than 4lbs at fight night...

Yep. Sometimes what separates the great fighters from the good ones is just that. Discipline and drive. But people shouldn't feel bad for having high hopes for Guzman. He had really good skills. well said bro ...

If you claim to be fighting DLH, who Floyd fought at 170+lbs, but don't promote the fact that DLH will be coming in at 145lbs, a weight he hadn't competed at in 7 years, then its called a "bait and switch". Same sh!t with Cotto. LMAO!!!! :lol1: so PAC is the one calling the shots against DLH? really???? what an ignorant post.. :nonono: