More like going from no cut off to 14, accepting the 10mil per pound and 50/50 which pacroid still walked away from
Thank you.
Team Pac and Arum walked away from the best deal they were ever gonna get to fight josh clottey and on top of that they tried to lie and say floyd walked away until the mediator came out and said they were lying.
That right there told me who didnt want the fight. Everything from that point was smokecreens and window dressings.
Its actually the most logical reason if people just put the hate aside they would have seen it from the beginning.
The fact is PBF was always favored to beat pac. Whether it was 09 or 2012 he was always the fav. Now ask your self this question: If pac fights floyd in 09 does he become the star he ended up becoming? Most likely answer is no. Floyd was the fav for a reason and most of the time the fav does win.
Business wise it was never in bobs best interest to make the fight. People forget that he is a promoter who has been going strong for over50 years without floyd or pac. I say this to show that he had big money and he would always make big money regardless if this fight happened.
So with that said would he make the fight knowing there was a good chance he had the losing horse and that he had no options on the guy who would probably win? Keep in mind he hates floyd and oscar. Business wise it made no sense for him to make the fight.
The point is that Froch has more options than Ward.
LOL. How about you try giving me some legitimate reasons for those fights to happen. You talk about a "point" but you have yet to make one.
But Hopkins wants to fight Froch. Froch has said he will do it at a catchweight.
There's every chance that any of the fights mentioned could happen. You've given no legitimate reasons why they wouldn't
Hey any fight CAN happen. I just dont see these happening. I do not know carl personally so i cannot ask him but neither can you. What makes you so confident they happen.
Hopkins has admitted he will duck Ward.
As for the rest, they are not options for Ward in the same way. A Ward-Groves fight, for example, will generate no interest whereas they could make Froch-Groves a huge fight in the UK.
How do you not understand that?
So now there are not options in "the same way" but a few posts ago they werent options at all.
I think you misunderstand. There is no name you mentioned that will bring froch more money and notoriety than ward and that is the point. They both make the most fighting each other and thats that.
He worked his way back after beating Bute and Kessler.
Froch is Ward's only option and vice versa. They both need each other. The fight should be made where it makes the most money.
I agree with this. People get a little out of i hand when talking about carls popularity. Is he more popular in the UK than Ward? Yes. But is he floyd or manny? Not even close. Hes not even a chavez jr as far a money goes.
What im trying to say is Ward can fight a can on hbo and get 1.25-1.5 mil, just like froch can fight a can in the uk and get 1.5-2m. They need each other to make the most money possible and thats that. Carl is trying to act like he has the upper hand when he really doesnt. Thats why him and hearn are doing all there talking to the media instead of just calling up wards promotion team. They hope that the public can sway ward cause they know the money will not because its is not as much as people think.
He fought the LHW champion and fellow American and got paid 1.3 so no he can't.
Question, what was carls biggest payday before this last fight? I honestly want to know.
as far as the above, hbo has given berto, alexander,bradley etc mil paydays to fight cans on hbo but ward wont get at least that much per fight? Come on.
Cleverly, Hopkins, Pascal
Stieglitz, Groves, Kessler, DeGale, Bika-Periban winner
Golovkin, Murray
Kessler - not happening next.
Hopkins - not happening
Pascal - not happening
Golovkin - not happening
Stieglitz - not a big fight
Groves and Degale- Decent money in UK but neither are ready
Bika-Periban - means nothing
murray - means nothing.
Read between the lines pal. I don't expect to have to definitively explain everything. Everything is an option but why would Ward fight a lesser money fight for no reason? Therefore, in essence, it's not an option.
There are fights that would be just as big if not bigger for Froch - Hopkins for example. Froch just fought Kessler and got paid a lot more than he did fighting Ward. He could fight Kessler again and get more than fighting Ward. There's PPV in the UK and Denmark of which Froch would get a cut. Ward is on regular HBO
(In Bold) For the same reason carl will. They both make the most fighting each other so why would carl want to fight a lesser money fight for no reason.
So who is carl going to fight next. You think hes fighting hopkins. Yeah right, carl just got off tv saying ward was boring and thats why he doesnt fancy a fight with him but hes going to fight hopkins who at this point is even more boring than ward.
Is he going to fight kessler next? I doubt it. We just saw that fight and it was not the kind of a fight that deserves an immediate rematch.
But at the end of the day what we are currently talking about does not matter. Ward is the #1, if carl wants to try and be # then the fight will happen if not he can go on being "The King Of Second Place"
Pffffffffffffffffttt these UK match ups ****ing suck. Degale? HAHAHAHAHAH laughable. Groves? Ehhh the guy is no where near ready for a fighter the class of Froch and Cleverly is the biggest fraud of champion I have seen in quite some time.
Martin Murray Vs Carl Froch is a money fight in the UK. It could be very close too. I can even see Murray sneaking the W if Froch fought bad and Murray performed like he did against Martinez.
Thank you.
Why are they "not happening"?
Hopkins - For the same reason he doesnt want to fight ward. Hopkins is boring and on top of that he has a good chance of winning. Fighting hop is a lose-lose for anyone who fights him at this point.
Pascal- Is still lined up to face Bute, also he already beat pascal, and nobody is asking for that rematch. Not happening.
Kessler - They just fought, and we dont know if kess is retiring or not.
Golovkin - Is an hbo fighter that is being lined up for ward so - not happening.
Hopkins is an option for Froch, not for Ward. Hopkins has stated on several occassions he wants to fight Froch. Froch said he would do it. Hopkins doesn't want to fight Ward
There's every reason for the Kessler trilogy to happen if Kessler wants it. Two close fights.
Groves and Cleverley, possibly even DeGale are big fights in the UK.
What exactly is unclear to you? These are all options for Froch but not for Ward.
How are they not options for ward. He is the supermiddleweight champ, correct. You have listed supermiddles . He is the number 1 rated fighter in the divison, every fighter at that weight is technically an option.
So you mean to tell me that hopkins, groves, cleverly, kessler and degale are all going to duck the #1 fighter in the division and your ok with that. LOL. i guess the sport is no longer about trying to be #1.
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My only question is:
If floyd fights canelo next and wins, whats next?
If canelo is the only bankable fighter out there, should he fight him next? Who can he fight after that?
No one seems to be considering that.
Drop the 101 excuses and roadblocks and face Pacquiao in May as long as Pac gets past Rios. Its still THE biggest fight that can be made in boxing.
yeah thats sounds good in theory but do u really think arum and floyd are goin to do business with each other. Even with PACs decline I still don't see that happening. so the question still remains who can he realistically fight.
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My only question is:
If floyd fights canelo next and wins, whats next?
If canelo is the only bankable fighter out there, should he fight him next? Who can he fight after that?
No one seems to be considering that.
i doubt this fight happens? Why? Because crawford is a technical fighter that has a good chance to win and ricky burns does not fight those fighters. Just ask broner and vasquez.
No the fights with the UK fighter as a star are better held in the UK. Just a better business move. Why is Ward so chicken?
I highly doubt he is chicken. I just think he has a problem with a loser trying to dictate terms. I understand completely.
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I agree. I pick Hopkins as well. people get caught up on the old Hopkins but the young hopkins was a guy that people avoided cause he was a tough sob.
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A young hopkins that got dropped by mercado when he opened up,, and then boxed him easily in the rematch, Hopkins is a goon no doubt but in a boxing brawl he wouldnt be nearly as effective
are u trying to say mercado was the only guy he ever opened up on? hey I'm not saying Hopkins was some kinda super beast or anything but the executioner was an avoided fighter in the 90s. if the internet/twitter was around then he would be the margarito or the GGG.
also add to the fact that he went to jail for "strong arm robbery" meaning he didn't use a gun or a knife. while I don't respect it per se this does tell me that Hopkins is a G and he can definitely have my back in a street fight.
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In a one on one fight Hopkins beats every one mentioned here excluding the HW's.
I agree. I pick Hopkins as well. people get caught up on the old Hopkins but the young hopkins was a guy that people avoided cause he was a tough sob.
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I agree. I pick Hopkins as well. people get caught up on the old Hopkins but the young hopkins was a guy that people avoided cause he was a tough sob.
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A young hopkins that got dropped by mercado when he opened up,, and then boxed him easily in the rematch, Hopkins is a goon no doubt but in a boxing brawl he wouldnt be nearly as effective
are u trying to say mercado was the only guy he ever opened up on? hey I'm not saying Hopkins was some kinda super beast or anything but the executioner was an avoided fighter in the 90s. if the internet/twitter was around then he would be the margarito
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Did I miss something? I was doing the Harlem Shake back in elementary school lol
that's what I said. I was doin the Harlem shake back in 2000
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While i dont think weed is performance enhancing and really shouldnt be on the ban list it is still an illegal drug and it is on the list.
Professional athletes should just be responsible and follow the rules. Thats it.
There is 3m on the line and you cant put the blunt down for 2 months? Come on man. My job has yearly drug tests and if i were to fail you know what happens to me? I get fired. I dont get suspended and docked 1/3 of my pay. So chavez should be happy that was all he got for breaking the rules.
This s a pointless discussion. You can make the same point for most fighters. "Martinez went up to mw because that's where the fights are so he's not a true mw. Well Floyd went up to jmw because that's where the fights were. He's a ww who's fought at jmw twice only. If Floyd can fight Martinez then Martinez can fight ward, if ward was willing to come down. If Martinez can fight Floyd then Floyd was ok fighting Marquez." There is no right answer. It's just how u look at it.
This is a fight I wouldn't mind seeing but I can understand if it never happens. If people are cool with PAC saying he has limits and won't fight people that they feel are too big, why should it be any different for Floyd?
I agree with this. would i like to see the fight? Sure. But its not a fight that has to happen.
I love sergio but prime for prime bernard wins.
Hop had problems with athletism as an older fighter. people forget this guy has been fighting for 20 years.
In his prime he had a problem with Roy who had other-worldly speed. Guess what? everyone had a problem with roys speed back then. I cant think of anyone around that time that could bother hops with speed besides roy.
sergios speed is not on that level and like a previous poster said, i dont see a guy fighting with his hands down beating prime hop. Hell, roy didnt even fight hop with his hands down and he had the ability to. Thats how serious roy took the fight.
Lol. I remember when naseem was ducking floyd.
I remember an early 130 floyd fight where after he won Larry Merchant asked him who he wanted to fight next and Floyd said Prince Naseem. Larry gave him a "you know that aint happening look" and then he actual said "C,mon you know you're not gonna get that fight.