Hopkins, Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Marquez?????

How do you rank these 4 all-time. All 4 are ATG's, but how would you rank them??? Bernard Hopkins: 7 titles in 2 weight classes. 3x Lineal Champ (1x MW, 2x LHW). Wins over Mercado (Top 10 MW), Lipsey (Top 10 MW), Jackson (Top 10 MW), Johnson, Echols (Top 10 MW), Holmes (WBC MW champ/#3 MW), Trinidad (WBA MW champ/#2 MW/#2 P4P), Daniels (Top 10 MW), Joppy (#3 MW), Allen (#2 MW), De La Hoya (WBO MW champ/#2 MW/#4 P4P), Eastman (#1 MW), Tarver (RING LHW champ), Wright (#3 P4P), Pavlik, and Pascal (WBC/RING LHW champ). Floyd Mayweather: 8 titles in 5 weight classes. 3x Lineal Champ (1x SFW, 1x LW, 1x WW). Wins over G. Hernandez (WBC/RING SFW champ), Manfredy (#1 SFW), Vargas (Top 10 SFW), Corrales (#1 SFW/#5 P4P), C. Hernandez (Top 10 SFW), Chavez (Top 10 SFW), Castillo (WBC LW champ/#1 LW), Sosa (Top 10 LW), Corley (Top 10 JWW), Gatti (WBC JWW champ/#1 JWW), Judah (IBF WW champ/Top 10 WW), Baldomir (WBC/RING WW champ), De La Hoya (WBC SWW champ/#3 SWW), Hatton (#8 P4P), Marquez (#2 P4P), Mosley (WBA WW champ/#2 WW/#3 P4P), Ortiz (WBC WW champ/#2 WW), and Cotto (WBA SWW champ/#1 SWW). Manny Pacquiao: 8 titles in 8 weight classes. 4x Lineal Champ (1x Fly, 1x FW, 1x SFW, 1x JWW). Wins over Sasakul (WBC/RING Fly Champ), Ledwaba (IBF SBW champ/#3 SBW), Barrera (RING FW champ/#3 P4P), Morales (#2 SFW), Solis, Marquez (WBC SFW champ/#2 SFW/#3 P4P), D. Diaz (WBC LW champ/#2 LW), De La Hoya, Hatton (RING JWW champ), Cotto (WBO WW champ/#3 WW/#7 P4P), Clottey (Top 10 WW), Margarito, and Mosley (Top 10 WW). *Should also have a win over Bradley (#8 P4P). Juan Manuel Marquez: 7 titles in 4 weight classes. 1x Lineal Champ (1x LW). Wins over Medina (#3 FW), Gainer (Top 10 FW), Salido, Barrera (WBC SFW champ/#2 SFW/#6 P4P), Juarez (Top 10 SFW), Casamayor (RING LW champ), J. Diaz (#3 LW), and Katsidis (#2 LW). *Could/should arguably have wins over Norwood (WBA FW champ/#2 FW), John (Top 10 FW), and Pacquiao (RING FW champ 1st fight, #1 SFW 2nd fight, WBO WW champ/#1 WW/#1 P4P third fight). In what order would you rank these 4 ATG's?????

Comments (20)

:lol1: :lol1: Buster Douglas I'd have in the top 20 but only because Mike Tyson's overrated. Lmao......

13y ago

IronDanHamza

Strongly disagree, I'd go with Tiger Jones, Leonard Morrow, Fireman Jim Flynn and Soldier Bartfield all over Carter, c'mon be serious now! :lol1: :lol1: Buster Douglas I'd have in the top 20 but only because Mike Tyson's overrated.

13y ago

Frank_Ducketts

Morales is greater than Mayweather. Morales best win is greater than Mayweathers best win and Morales was in greater fights. A real lst would look like this Pacquiao Morales Mayweather Marquez In terms of skills Mayweather Marquez Morales Pacquiao In terms of heart Marquez Pacquiao/Morales Mayweather In terms of fame Mayweather Pacquiao Morales Marquez Interms of defense Mayweather Marquez(young/prime) Morales Pacquiao Interms of offense Pacquiao Morales Marquez Mayweather Interms of Combination punching Marquez . . . .Morales beat Pac, but who else did Morales beat with stature? Floyd has more wins against top fighters than Morales. Floyd has the better resume, and more skills, and Floyds never been put down in a fight. No historian will ever rank Morales above Floyd unless Floyd crash and burns like Roy Jones.

13y ago

RubenSonny

Ruben Carter - Greatest of all time. Strongly disagree, I'd go with Tiger Jones, Leonard Morrow, Fireman Jim Flynn and Soldier Bartfield all over Carter, c'mon be serious now!

13y ago

Johnwoo8686

Morales is greater than Mayweather. Morales best win is greater than Mayweathers best win and Morales was in greater fights./QUOTE] By your retarded ass logic Billy Backus is greater than all of them, he's also greater than Julio Cesar Chavez right? Ruben Carter - Greatest of all time. LOL you guys just owned that clown :haha:

13y ago

RubenSonny

Morales is greater than Mayweather. Morales best win is greater than Mayweathers best win and Morales was in greater fights. By your retarded ass logic Billy Backus is greater than all of them, he's also greater than Julio Cesar Chavez right?

13y ago

IronDanHamza

13y ago

RubenSonny

13y ago

Frank_Ducketts

Floyds will to win is second to none. Nobody takes that into consideration because most of the greats lost close, classic fights. Yes, there is honor and respect in losing, but what about a man who has never lost. Good day, bad day, Floyd came prepared to win every fight which is why he's tops on this list of 4. And Floyds never been put down by a punch. That accounts for something, and has to be taken into consideration.

13y ago

DeadLikeMe

Yeah, I agree. Hopkins has a lot more love now than he once had.It was a bit of an overstatement by me to say he has slid down the list (but realistically Pacquiao and Mayweather have surpassed him in that time). But really, he hasn't done anything of significance to move him around on an ATG list in the past decade IMO. His popularity and fame have gone up in the time, but his status as an ATG has remained pretty stagnant. It is just interesting to me how things have worked out regarding BHop.

13y ago

IronDanHamza

Ok here is what I'm trying to say. Nowadays from casuals, new fans, and even ESPN and other pseudo-credible boxing sources BHop gets all this love and is referred to as a legend. But a little over ten years ago all the promoters hated him (I'm sure most of them still do), ESPN hated him, etc... But his middleweight run was voted something like 4th greatest achievement in boxing history in 2000 by Ring. My personal feeling is he got more plaudits and whatnot for his success during his normal career, whereas he has become this almost revered figure nowadays, but none of his decades accomplishments get mentioned all we hear about is oldest champion (which isn't that great of an accomplishment IMO). I think people forgot how hated BHop was before Floyd replaced him as official outspoken African American boxer. Yeah, I agree. Hopkins has a lot more love now than he once had.

13y ago

Ray_Corso

I can't take away much from any of them because they do have alot of knowledge between them. All of them have good experience especially Pacman & Hopkins, I'd say Marquez & Floyd have the most skills but Manny comes to fight and he "makes" the fight too! Manny Floyd Marquez Bernard ...............in todays boxing groupings all high level boxers but I put Manny ahead of them because of his style, he's a crowd pleasure and comes to force the issue. Marquez is on this list because he boxes Manny straight up and deserves alot of credit for his will to win against him. I personally think Manny won all of their fights but losses don't mean much to me when the competition is even and on a high level. Ray

13y ago

Johnwoo8686

What do you have against Floyd mayweather ? This guy acts like Mayweather killed his father lol. His obsession with Floyd is mind boggling.

13y ago

Johnwoo8686

pac floyd bhop marquez This is exactly my list. Pac has won titles in the most weight classes, has the most lineal titles and is the youngest guy on that list! Pac is number one, Floyd is number two, Bhop at three, and Marquez at four.

13y ago

hectari

Hopkins gets top spot because of the title defenses at 160 Pacquiao more titles and more fights Mayweather very inactive at 147 Marquez is good but he isn't on the level of Marco Antonio Barrera or Erik Morales, his only career defining fights are his loss to Floyd Mayweather and him crying robbery three times against Pacquiao.

13y ago

MRBOOMER

No i thought the thread starter gave those 4 names as he thinks the quartet are the candidate for being the best of this era. If that is the case, i dont think Floyd quite is in the top 4, he is borderline. I thought MOrales and JC deserved a mention above Floyd, and thats why i made no mention of FLoyd even if the thread starter did. What do you have against Floyd mayweather ?

13y ago

4Corners

13y ago

DeadLikeMe

Didn't he say "He's slid down on most people ATG lists since 2003" meaning he was higher on most peoples lists but now he's lower? :lol1: Deadlikeme needs to confirm :lol1:Ok here is what I'm trying to say. Nowadays from casuals, new fans, and even ESPN and other pseudo-credible boxing sources BHop gets all this love and is referred to as a legend. But a little over ten years ago all the promoters hated him (I'm sure most of them still do), ESPN hated him, etc... But his middleweight run was voted something like 4th greatest achievement in boxing history in 2000 by Ring. My personal feeling is he got more plaudits and whatnot for his success during his normal career, whereas he has become this almost revered figure nowadays, but none of his decades accomplishments get mentioned all we hear about is oldest champion (which isn't that great of an accomplishment IMO). I think people forgot how hated BHop was before Floyd replaced him as official outspoken African American boxer.

13y ago

LeG00N

:lol1: :nonono: On ignore you go. ....I won't miss conversing with you....and your Racist = Cheaters logic ha. now find a post where I excused it. go. don't lie on me to run away from the truth. Weren't you avoiding my posts? Its best if you continue. I don't want to get sucked in to the same debates we've had a thousand times.

13y ago

VWEBB

ha. now find a post where I excused it. go. don't lie on me to run away from the truth. I just put the dude on ignore.

13y ago