Hindsight, Do u feel Arum had literally No Interest in a PBF Fight from the get go??

Arum wanted nothing to do with Mayweather. Lied during the mediation to cancel the fight, lied again saying he wasn't answering GBP calls. What a disgrace. arum and lying goes together pretty well it seems throughout the years :(

kr The article was from Dan Rafael you idiot with quotes from Arum 1) What you had there was GB stating that there would be no fight because Manny is going to face Marquez (in May/June). Not Arum. Right? 2) Did Manny face Marquez in May/June 2012? 3) Did they (Floyd and Manny's team) or did they not have talks after that article was made? 4) After the article was published, did or didn't Floyd state that "I want all PPV money"? So again, its very simple, which part of that article are you believing? Just asking because Manny fought Bradley next and they did have discussions which would NOT make sense if that article was true. Right? You take one article and you hold it high but when one is able to counter it with what really happened, then it makes that article less credible.

the animosity between arum and mayweather is for real, bottom line, they hate each others guts and there is no way they want to stay in the same room for a second

Whoops....I forgot about Boy Blood. You forgot lots of things kid and all on purpose , you lost like Manny did , face planted in your own BS .

Whoops....I forgot about Boy Blood.

I'll go with what these folks have said. That Floyd never wanted the fight. Foreman, Holmes, RJJ, SRL, Hagler, Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Corley, Wilbon, Steve Smith, 50 cent, and many others. But your a sheep following anything to suit your personal agenda , Hagler thought Floyd wanted OST only for Manny and not him lol thats how accurate your name dropping is . Not one single Pac fan can stand up to Floyd on OST after what they are spewing all over the board about JMM , the flip flopping by Manny Arum and Roach is smack in the eye for boxing , they stopped Floyd vs Manny because they were protecting their interests because Floyd would have won and killed their gravy train in the process . They say hindsight is 20/20 vision , well look back over all off it and its obvious Arum never had any intension of fighting Floyd , the Pac retards are a bunch of pathetic whiny fanboys , sore losers and serial haters that are full of BS , they will side up with anybody or cut them down depending on if its Pac negative or Pac positve , the facts dont matter to them they are just back stabbing parasites that should bug sprayed and burned , .

I'll go with what these folks have said. That Floyd never wanted the fight. Foreman, Holmes, RJJ, SRL, Hagler, Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Corley, Wilbon, Steve Smith, 50 cent, and many others.

People that blame both sides for the fight not happening need to grow up. If you gave a 12 year old a history starting from when Mayweather came out of retirement, I would bet 9/10 would clearly state Arum never wanted the fight. Why didn't Bob Arum make the fight during the first negotiations? 50/50 purse and 14 day cut-off window for MP. With a offer like that, Floyd is the problem? Floyd is so much of a problem that you cut off negotiations and fight J. Clottey. Again, that is Floyd's fault? Sorry, I do have a extended education, but this is elementary. The history promotes that Bob Arum and Freddie Roach know the type of fighter FMJ is, and believe that Manny could not beat FMJ. How can anyone see this any other way? Multiple quotes from Freddie Roach stating FMJ would be their toughest fight and how Manny needed to correct things in his game before fighting Floyd. Freddie Roach admitted to Chuck and Reggie on the TNT special that Manny had made the same mistakes against JMM in every fight. Same mistakes! Let's now add the 4th fight to that list. Seriously, it is illogical to believe that Arum or Roach would put Manny in the ring with Floyd, considering the struggles MP has had with JMM. Look, people like myself are perfectly rational when they extend blame to ALL parties involved in the Pac-Mayweather negotiations. I'll level with you on this however. I firmly believe that Arum and Pacquiao have the lion's share of the blame. Your description of the conciliatory offer composed of a 50-50 split and a two week cutoff for testing put forth by Floyd is accurate.

all i need to know about arum's true intentions about the fight where when Arum turned down negotiations with a mediator after the third fight with marquez with " we are pursuing a 4th fight" anyone remember this: The chief of Golden Boy Promotions, Richard Schaefer, has confirmed a super-fight between eight-division world champion, Manny Pacquiao, and five-division world champion, Floyd Mayweather, is not going to happen on May 5 due to Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum, as Schaefer stated Arum wants Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez for a fourth fight. “We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time,” Schaefer told ESPN.com. he never wanted the fight to happen.... and he will be remember for that Yes, that article had no truth to it .... for one, I remember Manny fought Bradley in June NOT Marquez. lol! What you stated was before there were any discussions and before we heard that Floyd made an offer to Manny where Floyd would get ALL PPV MONEY. Tell us all why these discussions took place AFTER the article was stated what it stated? Also and more importantly, that article came from Golden Boy NOT Arum. How credible would you consider an article that stated "ARUM states that Floyd doesn't want to fight Manny"? I can find many articles that state that.

People that blame both sides for the fight not happening need to grow up. If you gave a 12 year old a history starting from when Mayweather came out of retirement, I would bet 9/10 would clearly state Arum never wanted the fight. Why didn't Bob Arum make the fight during the first negotiations? 50/50 purse and 14 day cut-off window for MP. With a offer like that, Floyd is the problem? Floyd is so much of a problem that you cut off negotiations and fight J. Clottey. Again, that is Floyd's fault? Sorry, I do have a extended education, but this is elementary. The history promotes that Bob Arum and Freddie Roach know the type of fighter FMJ is, and believe that Manny could not beat FMJ. How can anyone see this any other way? Multiple quotes from Freddie Roach stating FMJ would be their toughest fight and how Manny needed to correct things in his game before fighting Floyd. Freddie Roach admitted to Chuck and Reggie on the TNT special that Manny had made the same mistakes against JMM in every fight. Same mistakes! Let's now add the 4th fight to that list. Seriously, it is illogical to believe that Arum or Roach would put Manny in the ring with Floyd, considering the struggles MP has had with JMM.

all i said is the truth ..im actually tired talking about who's at fault and all that bs so i just tell the obvious ..bob and floyd never wanted this fight ..im just not blaming floyd here , bob too...and thats exactly who are responsible why this fight was not made Lol, you would have made more logical sense starting off your tirade with this exact post. However, to say that your tirade was ALL TRUTH reeks of bias and intellectual dishonesty. Sure, Floyd has blame. Sure, Arum has blame. Why is it right to blame these two and NOT PAC HIMSELF? Can you not see that you're just being biased? Pac is a damn Congressman in the Philippines and you're telling me that he can't make FORMAL business decisions on his own or, at the very least, influence them in his favor??? Please. ENOUGH WITH THE ******* FANATICISM...

Lol, I just deconstructed your fallacious argument using basic Business Law and the strongest rebuttal you have is saying that you're not guilty of my accusation. Lol, you remind me of a child. Now you're resorting to an ad populum fallacy. Just because a certain amount of people believe something to be true, doesn't make it NECESSARILY so. Let me guess, you base the validity of ALL things in your life on what these very same people think?! Boy, you're dense... all i said is the truth ..im actually tired talking about who's at fault and all that bs so i just tell the obvious ..bob and floyd never wanted this fight ..im just not blaming floyd here , bob too...and thats exactly who are responsible why this fight was not made

im not revisioning anything ...fighters , writers , fans, even floyd bestfriened think floyd was running from pacman.. check my sig , 2 atg fighters think floyd was scared , theres a lot more people that think that.. Lol, I just deconstructed your fallacious argument using basic Business Law and the strongest rebuttal you have is saying that you're not guilty of my accusation. Lol, you remind me of a child. Now you're resorting to an ad populum fallacy. Just because a certain amount of people believe something to be true, doesn't make it NECESSARILY so. Let me guess, you base the validity of ALL things in your life on what these very same people think?! Boy, you're dense...

Forget the 'maybe he did at this point or something, perhaps now he does but lookin back at everything, the past prime names, catchweights all the Money involved in a Pacquiao fight could u confidently honestly say without question, he had No Interest from the very beginning despite the times he hyped that much up So would you fight Oscar where everyone had Oscar as a very heavy favorite but not fight Floyd? Win or lose against Floyd, it would not diminish his appeal as he has a style that attracts fans. A loss is not as bad for Manny as it would be for Floyd. Manny lost to Morales in their first fight. Manny still moved on as his style is appealing to watch. It may affect Floyd more so since his concern has been preserving his precious "0". Of course, constantly losing would not be a good thing ...... but ...... I think Floyd fans look at it from their perspective and think a single loss means the end of the world BUT in reality, it may actually boost your appeal as fans know that you are willing to take on the risk.

Quit with the revisionist history. You're looking like an ignoramus by doing so. Pac never agreed to full, random testing in actual FORMAL rounds of negotiation. Floyd's best compromise on the testing as well as the purse came in the form of a 50-50 split and a two week cutoff for the testing. Pac failed to take it while it was on the table. The person making an offer is NOT LEGALLY bound to it if it has been rejected. Floyd and his team were WELL WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS to change the necessary conditions for the fight. Pac and his team had the offer in their hands and didn't take advantage of it. Later down the road, they started crying about not being offered the same conciliatory conditions that Floyd put forth. With all the posturing that Pac and his team were doing, Floyd was justified in not budging on his stricter stipulations... im not revisioning anything ...fighters , writers , fans, even floyd bestfriened think floyd was running from pacman.. check my sig , 2 atg fighters think floyd was scared , theres a lot more people that think that..

manny accepted everything but the cut off fool ..then when he accepted it , floyd changed it again ..then he wanted 100% of the pie .. Quit with the revisionist history. You're looking like an ignoramus by doing so. Pac never agreed to full, random testing in actual FORMAL rounds of negotiation. Floyd's best compromise on the testing as well as the purse came in the form of a 50-50 split and a two week cutoff for the testing. Pac failed to take it while it was on the table. The person making an offer is NOT LEGALLY bound to it if it has been rejected. Floyd and his team were WELL WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS to change the necessary conditions for the fight. Pac and his team had the offer in their hands and didn't take advantage of it. Later down the road, they started crying about not being offered the same conciliatory conditions that Floyd put forth. With all the posturing that Pac and his team were doing, Floyd was justified in not budging on his stricter stipulations...

Arum has gone on record as saying he doesn't like making fights between two big names as it means more work and less money for him It's why he wouldn't make Floyd vs Oscar If a fight sells over 1.1m in ppv there should be over 40m to split between the fighters So Arum preferred Pacquiao vs one of his own lesser fighters cos Manny would get around 25m,his opponent 4 or 5m therefore leaving about ten extra for him If Floyd and Manny happened Arum would make less than when Pacquiao fought someone like Clottey Some try to say no way Arum stopped the fight from happening cos he too would lose money but the truth is actually the opposite

arum is such a snake. he even made floyd refuse to accept his own demands just so it looked like he was ducking. clever! When did this happen?

floyd mayweather. the reasonable guy who soooo wanted the fight. False as usual.

Lol, Manny was the one who failed to accept the conciliatory offer of a 50-50 purse split and a 2 week cutoff for the testing. In FORMAL business dealings, once an offer has been denied, it is AUTOMATICALLY VOID. The offer is no longer binding in the future. Pac should have taken the offer when it was on the table INITIALLY... manny accepted everything but the cut off fool ..then when he accepted it , floyd changed it again ..then he wanted 100% of the pie ..