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Was the local bar having "lets get drunk and have an organized fight" theme.. Cuz that wasn't boxing, it wasn't kick boxing, wasn't mma, and cletus was chewing gum.. WTF???????

I'm not happy in least about any of it... Pissed at the PAC camp Pissed at Marg. for even thinking he deserves this fight or that he can win Pissed at the WBC and all the alphebet gangs Pissed at all Promoters for trying to put a positive spin on this match... JUST DOWN RIGHT PISSED!!! But i will be watching it on PPV........

Take your pic......#1 Greed....#2 Greed....#3 Greed....#4 or Greed I'm going with #5 All the above I fukking hate Arum with a passion, and I am a die hard Pacfan... Bob has filled Don Kings shoes and then some... Promoters are dictating this sport, not the fighters... Fukking sucks no doubt!!

To me his mistakes are based on his hand placement before, during, and after her throws a combination. When he throws one punch or none at all he has very solid defense, but when he throws a combination the punches come from so many different angles that he is not thinking defense whatsoever, so that is when he can get caught... The only way any fighter can survive with such a style is speed and speed alone..> oh and a good chin...

I came to this thread multiple times waiting for a source to be posted and still after multiple people have asked for one... The subject either gets changed or some BS Flomo hops in and uses the OP as a weapon to attack PAC... This thread: FAIL!

First of all i like ALL full contact sports... Boxing - MMA - Traditional forms of Martial Arts... :nutkick: All 3 of these are completely different... Everytime someone brings up anything related to Boxing vs MMA i puke a little in my mouth. And now the TS is comparing Pacfans to MMA Let it the fukk go, they absolutely have nothing to do with one another... The fight game is a wonderful thing and a true test for man or a woman to challenge one another without being arrested... who doesn't love that!?!?! Why don't you compare American football against rugby that makes a lot sense too. Or how about comparing tennis to badmitton. All of it is irrellevent and i think it would be best if you crawled into a hole and bludgened yourself with the nearest object. THREAD = FAIL

nobody is threatened by that shit sport, we are disgusted by it boxing ratings crush UFC ratings and the numbers dont lie, so thats all you need to know by the way, i thought you killed yourself after that bum in your avatar got owned by some UFC reject in 69 seconds? lmfao C'mon Gratz this post makes absolutely no sense... They are getting worse and worse as the thread goes on... I absoluly love Boxing - I am coach for the sport, I also love Pac, I also love MMA, i also love Golf, I also love Bruce Lee and what he stood for, i also love fukkin playing darts. But guess what i don't compare any of it against anything... BECAUSE IT IS THE BIGGEST WASTE OF TIME!!!

UFC has not implemented the "middle-man" as of yet... That is one of boxings biggest problems when it comes to match making... The damn middle man ie. Arum, King, Shaeffer, ellerbe etc etc... o, and solid article!!

Don't forget about Tax Time, and not wanting to make to much money this year.

Old or past your prime does not necessarily reflect age so floyd being older doesn't mean sh!t... Compare their records and the amount of wars each fighter has been through, but this is still to early to tell to be honest... A great example is Fernando Vargas, he was past his prime before he even hit 30 because of the wear and tear he took, plus he had less then 30 fights before everyone knew he had nothing left. If he took a different path and not fought Tito so soon, his path "may" have been different. Just an example, don't read to much into it...I'm not comparing anyone to Vargas..(that would be silly)

no he's not.....he's a star though, comparing him to tiger woods or jordan is moronic, kobe even Co-Sign Mayweather is a star (i hate him) but he is a star none the less... Superstar?? - No My personal breakdone (IMO): Average - You and me - run of the mill people Notable - Distinguished in your field of work Nationally Recognized - Known to be on TMZ from time to time, and listed in magazines. Star - Transcending popularity/Hate across the Globe Super Star - Household name, you would be living under a rock if you don't recognize the name. EXAMPLES: Avg: Me Notable: BIGPOPPAPUMP Nationally Recognized: Most major celebraties Star: Pacquiao, Mayweather Super Star - Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan

PBF may be a superstar in the Boxing Community - But that does transcend across the globe as a household name. My personal breakdone (IMO): Average - You and me - run of the mill people Notable - Distinguished in your field of work Nationally Recognized - Known to be on TMZ from time to time, and listed in magazines. Star - Transcending popularity/Hate across the Globe Super Star - Household name, you would be living under a rock if you don't recognize the name. EXAMPLES: Avg: Me Notable: BIGPOPPAPUMP Nationally Recognized: Most major celebraties Star: Pacquiao, Mayweather Super Star - Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan

To let PActards know that this is the difference between Floyd and PAc in terms of greatness. Floyd>Pac... So you are telling me that Floyds greatness has been cemented as better than Pacs because of Pacs losses when he was kid with next to no amateur career? The argument of Pacs choice of opponents since 135 and up can be argued all day long, and rightfully so, but to use kid sh!t to make a point is a bit silly don't you think?

I just wanted to hear what you were trying to say. I never said you were wrong. Yes, I openly provoked a scrap in the lounge today- which was there to prove my point about all of the arguments against pac's opponent choices, which can also be made for Floyd's opponent choices. There were some reasonable responses that agreed with me and some that didn't. It didn't completely break down until the second page, lol. But sprinkled throughout are some good responses and conversation, but then again you have your boy right here: those are all in a row and no skipping or editing OK, That kinda made me laugh a bit... - I think there was some good stuff in here... I just skipped the nonsense...

Well, it's far from what it used to be. PPl don't discuss boxing anymore... they attack race, religion, and sexuality. I don't care for Floyd and Manny personal business, but just don't be a hypocrite and praise one and bash the other for the same thing. These guys have been following the formula and how to be Popular and make money. Manny took the same route Floyd took. And if he wants to fight Mosley that's their business... atleast, i will get to see a fight, but when all of sudden Mosley was the reason he (Mosley) lost to Floyd and not FLoyd beating him it makes me vomit; just like when Manny was supposed to fight Marg, everyone knew Marg was a deadman walking, then all of a sudden Marg lost the fight to Mosley because he was weight drained and not himself. Why can't the people making these excuses hold themselves to some standard of integrity? I say the ppl who who make these claims and defend them are the real losers. Imagine the life they live....they must live in a mirror-less home and avoid everything with a reflection, being too afraid to look at themselves. I don't mind any of that statement... Why are you RED, if you state things like the above???

First off I never made any argument, I made a statement. Second, if I were to argue who was better between Pac and Floyd, I could surely come up with more than just talking about PAc's two early losses lol... Third, we didn't need to see EM III or MAB fight II when Valero and Guzman were champions. Now Berto won't sell is the excuse... When Floyd used those words, he was vilified lol... your "statement" was conducive to making an argument.. Don't sugar coat it. Making your second statement moot. Third Point: of course we didn't "need" to see those rematches, but that doesn't make them any less creditable. We didn't "need" to see JMM go up 2 weight class just so FMJ would screw him over on the scales. I want the Berto fight too, I want the JMM III fight too, I want the FMJ fight, but the problem here is that we don't get to chose what fights get made... But the point of the OT is how FMJ fans can ***** at Pac when FMJ isn't doing sh!t and was guilty of all the same stuff....

What you just posted is not even worth responding to lol... Game - Set - Match Best of luck to you being a FMJ fan, maybe you'll get to see him even fight again next year... So lets hope he goes broke sooner rather than later... ~peace~

No. Floyd has not lost where PAc has lost 3 times... PAc has beaten 2 TR fighters at catch weights, one who lost every round, and PAc didn't give JMM a third fight because JMM asked for what he is worth...when Pac said that JMM only fights for money. PAc should be fighting Berto, but because PAc is taking the FMJ route as he is supposed to at this point in his career, fans should be ok with Pac because PAc is supposedly humble lol... Now you are taking a completely different approach all together... You stated that Pacs 2 losses that he did not offer a rematch for were the reasons FMJ is greater than Pac.. Plain and simple... You stated that point more than once. Which we both know that is an extremely flawed statement... The above post is a better attempt; however, couldn't the argument be made. 1. Floyd has only given one rematch in his entire career and it was to a guy that arguable won and would've made FMJ 28-1 ??? (I THINK) 2. Pac fought EM 3 times, MAB twice and JMM twice - Why does he have to give any rematches at all??? 3. Berto would be a great fight, but the fight won't sell to the casual fan (just yet) 4. Humbleness doesn't equate to dollar signs, it equates to trash talk and boastfullness...Pac does neither, so yes he remains humble...

Floyd is such a *****...yet between Floyd and Pac, Pac's been the only one ko'd lol... I've read through every page of this thread, and i'm cool with each argument.. But dude you are clamoring on one thing... Pacs losses when he was a teenager???? WHY??? What purpose or point does that make at all??

I don't hope for people to go down in flames... That is the difference between me and you, and why you post what you post lol... Now who is taking what someone says and runs with it??? We both know FMJ only fights when he needs the paycheck..> No more, no less... I don't care about FMJ personal life, he has no effect towards my life, but as a boxing fan i want him to fight..> So if that means he needs to go broke to do so, then so be it... He'll earn it all back in one fail swoop...

Conducive lol... You took what I said and ran with it as if that was my argument lol...nuff said! No, we needed to see JMM go up two weight classes since HE issued the challenge to Floyd. And lastly, how did you turn it around when Floyd was first at picking and choosing big fights to Floyd was doing it first when Floyd's fans are pointing out that PAc is now doing the same thing lol...!!!??? lol ??? is that like your go to move...?? Anyways... I didn't take what you said once, you said it multiple times and used it as a talking point like "Maverick"...(Palin/McCain) We did not need to see JMM go up two weight classes.. WTF?????????? JMM was clamoring for a big fight and was willing to get screwed over to get it... spare me! or should i say LOL Lastly - That made no sense....you may need to rephrase that and add a couple LOL's to boot.

<<<< Lying to myself... "This is just a tune up fight, and Pac is just staying active". AT LEAST HE IS FIGHTING! Side Note: Mosely should be fighting Berto and the winner gets Pac assuming he beats JMM at 140... FMJ should just fight period...

Be honest, you guys aren't pissed at the fight per se...you guys are pissed because Team Pac has taken the only counter arguments (old man Mosley) you guys have been riding for Months to discredit what you guys deemed as Floyd's best win. As i said before, i have been following this sport for 25years and i heard everything being said about Pac being said about countless fighters. What we need in the sport is not tear down fighters but to build them up and demand accountability from the promoters. We have ppl who are fan of certain fighters stalking the internet boxing forums like rabid animals attacking ppl's race, religion, sexuality and preferences, except discussing boxing. We have ppl who co-sign and encourage these childish behaviors instead of standing up against them then have the nerves to call fighters cowards. We have administrators allow racial thread to go on instead of bumping them immediately in the name of having "hits" Boxing is a dying sport not because of the fighters, promoters, or media; boxing is a dying sport because the fans lacking respect and integrity for themselves then conveying those negativities of themselves onto the sport. Boxing is the only sport now that i see an athlete get crap for winning. I was with you untill the Boxing is dying part... Boxing is not dying.. Boxing is damaged and will continuelly be damaged until your previous statements get addressed... But "Dying" no...

Dude, for u to have that disgraceful bum in your avi, shows u don't respect the sport. Manny is being criticize based on that fact that ever since he became prime-time his handlers and worshipers have been trying to sh*t on Mayweather's career. So, now, the same thing they criticize and ostracize Floyd for doing is the same thing they're are trying to credit Manny with. I don't see anybody criticizing Manny, other than the fact that, they're exposing the hypocrisy and double standard which have been eminent since Manny's rise to p4p status. Outside of the Die hard pacfans and the casual fans who don't know any better... Nobody is happy about Pacs choice in Mosely.... I'm a die hard Pacfan, but i'm pissed!!!!!!! I don't see your point?

This is simple to understand....lol. / Thread DUDE!! Every champion can have this done to his record... Its been done to death... Go down FMJ and just try not to pick it apart... Outside of Diego Corrales, the rest of the list is garbage or its a HOF career... Depending on how you want to spin it... / your post

Berto and Jmm are obviously better than Mosely, but "IF" its a one sided beating, then he will get no credit and the "Take the tests" bullsh!t will continue... I"m just glad Pac is still fighting and plans on doing so for the remainder of the year... Tons of people were clamoring for Pac to fight Pwill, but since we saw Pwill get sparked he's a non-topic. I can totally forsee that happening to JMM and Berto if Pac destroys them... FMJ is the only fight that won't have a bunch of excuses attached.. Unless Pac kills him of course...

800K tops........... I will go with 750K - However, if this fight breaks a million i will laugh my a$$ off... Pac is the man if he can get this fight to sell!!

Very Solid performance, i was a little disappointed in your opposition; however, you shouldn't be blamed for his shortcomings... Positives: 1. Footwork 2. 1 2 combination 3. Clean strait punches 4. Jab was superb 5. Using Offense as your Defense Needs Work 1. Head Movement - Slipping 2. Setting up counter punches - Using Slip and/or Parry 3. Utilizing the Hook a bit more 4. Using Offense as your Defense too much (This is will be more noticeable when facing a more sound opponent who utilizes complete defense) Great work none the less! Keep it up!

Note to Hatton: You are making matters worse - Take your lumps and STFU!

He beat the #1ranked WW champ his last fight so whats your point? Had he gave up ten percent of the purse hed be the current ring magazine welterweight champ and number one ranked WW.. Was he in his prime? Isn't there "?" all over Moselys name right now? JMM is still in the top 5 P4P list and a future HoF'er, does that make JMM vs Mayweather some monumental victory that Floyd didn't have to face any other Prime Welterweight because they are not on JMM's level? Floyd has not fought a prime welterweight yet! Is that not proof enough that he is "possibly" avoiding prime opposition?? There has to be some level of reasonable doubt.....